robin said:The US spends $9 billion a month on the Iraq war.
Do you think $1billion, just three days worth of the cost of prosecuting the war in Iraq, would buy the US more security due to better relations with the Muslim world, if given in aid to the Asian earthquake vitims, rather than funding three days war in Iraq ?
I didn't say it should a sole reason for giving aid !Kelzie said:I really don't think that's why we should be giving aid; to buy our security.
Oh no GandiGandhi>Bush said:I think a show of compassion, as long as it was made more public, would go a long way to win more moderate Muslims. I don't think we should just give Pakistan 1 billion dollars. A billion dollars worth of supplies and goods: that sounds fine.
robin said:Oh no Gandi
The billion must not of course be given in cash. We wouldn't want those mullahs in Pakistan & Kashmir to spend it on buying up some of the stinger missiles the US gave to the Taliban :lol:
Gosh Kelzie.. I wasn't as far off the mark in my buffoonery as I thought I was !Kelzie said:Unbelievably OT, but I just learned that the CIA tried to buy the missiles back at less than the black market price. Which I find very funny. :lol:
Scarecrow Akhbar said:Screw 'em. We gave 'em aid before. We helped the cavemen in Afghanistan repel the Russian invaders. We give billions of dollars in aid to everyone, and still the stupid animals in "palestine" dance in the street when their pals murder thousands of our citizens in the WTC. Some animals in Pakistan were celebrating, also, and they're STILL hiding Osama bin Laden.
Cut'em a deal. One bin Laden head, and we'll give 'em a couple bucks for coffee.
Clearly the cowardly efforts in the State Department to buy friends has had it's totally predictable result. Time to change tactics.
Oh...and why hasn't Pakistan prepared for this ever-so-predictable earthquake? They had the money to build their "islamic bomb", didn't they? The Loma Prieta quake in 1989 didn't kill anywhere near 30,000 people, I don't think it hit 100, even. Seems like certain countries lack priorities. Clearly the US should have been spending more money on bombs, and less on earthquake preparedness.
The cost of an F15 would provide tents for thousands of freezing victims. You prefer instead to continue the cycle of hatred. You generalise when you refer to all Muslims as if they are 'pro terrorist'. Only a tiny minority are.jallman said:If we were not bogged down in the middle of a war with these people and their idealogies, then I would be all for sending them whatever aid was needed. However, we are at war with terrorist Islam and we have no need to extend a hand if its only going to lopped off. That billion dollars can go to something much more productive, like war planes, armored vehicles, and continuing the overhaul of our military so we can turn our attention to Syria, Iran, and the rest of the middle east when we are done in Iraq.
robin said:The cost of an F15 would provde tents for thousands of freezing victims. You prefer instead to continue the cycle of hatred.
Yeah man F15's are great to fight off suicide bombers on the London or Madrid tube or New York subway for that matter.jallman said:Providing tents for freezing victims is all well and good and I would be all for it, but we have the cost of national and global security to think about. And I am sorry, but I would trade the lives of a thousand terrorist supporters or sympathizers for the life of one american. That one f15 would be much more of a deterrent against a potential terrorist than 1000 tents and blankets. And perhaps if we stop handing out money to all these middle eastern countries, their own budgets could go toward disaster relief instead of weapons programs.
robin said:You really don't have a clue do you. Just like most Americans it seems.
robin said:Yeah man F15's are great to fight off suicide bombers on the London or Madrid tube or New York subway for that matter.
You really don't have a clue do you. Just like most Americans it seems.
America is strong like an elephant. The most powerful nation on earth, but you are like an elephant tying to kill all the world's bee population by stamping on them in one country.
The problem is, they breed faster than you can kill them, you don't even kill all the ones in that country let alone the rest of the world, they are everywhere, they don't mind dying when they sting you & you just make a lots more angry ones.
The only difference between you & the elephant, is your thick skin doesn't stop you getting stung :lol:
You are a pretty good example of the Americans I was referring to in my thread entitled 'The seriously deluded state of many Americans'.
Kelzie said:Am I the only one who thinks we should be giving these people aid because they are human beings that are trapped in the middle of winter with no homes? Let me restate: HUMANS! As in the same species as us. As in men, women, children...brothers and sisters and aunts and fathers. Toddlers people! And you are saying what? Let them freeze? Let them die because a couple if them might know where OBL is? That's sick. You are holding the threat of death over hundreds of thousands of people...millions really, because their leaders are corrupt and would rather spend money on weapons than on social programs. Maybe we shouldn't give them aid only if it will help our security. Maybe we should give them aid even if it won't help our security. Hell, we should give them aid even if it will harm our security. These are children who have just lost their parents, parents who have just lost their little girl. They're not the enemy.
Kelzie said:Am I the only one who thinks we should be giving these people aid because they are human beings that are trapped in the middle of winter with no homes? Let me restate: HUMANS! As in the same species as us. As in men, women, children...brothers and sisters and aunts and fathers. Toddlers people! And you are saying what? Let them freeze? Let them die because a couple if them might know where OBL is? That's sick. You are holding the threat of death over hundreds of thousands of people...millions really, because their leaders are corrupt and would rather spend money on weapons than on social programs. Maybe we shouldn't give them aid only if it will help our security. Maybe we should give them aid even if it won't help our security. Hell, we should give them aid even if it will harm our security. These are children who have just lost their parents, parents who have just lost their little girl. They're not the enemy.
Kelzie said:Am I the only one who thinks we should be giving these people aid because they are human beings that are trapped in the middle of winter with no homes?
I agree K. But carry it further. Their women are humans, but we shouldn't help them to be free? Why is it a good thing to help them in this but not with their every day oppression?
jallman said:Then you now have orphans ripe to be picked by terrorist organizations for suicide bombing missions. I agree that they are human beings and deserving of our compassion...if we werent at war with their leaders. Let the people go hungry and let them feel the elements on their backs. Let them spend a few weeks suffering in cold and shelterless nights and I am sure the people themselves will be ready to hand over any terrorists and their supporters. At that point, we give them aid.
DeeJayH said:hardly anybody has said 'dont send anything'
this debate is supposed to be whether it would benefit us to do so
As always the US will step up and be one of, if not the, biggest donor of aid
but to think it will benefit us in any way is assinine
nothing will change the terrorists minds except death.
which we can let them do at a time and place of their choosing
or at a time and place of our choosing
the latter saves more lives, and defeats them
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