Will you ever respect you Trumpist neighbors again?

[Gaius46]

NO!
I know plenty of people who voted for him for a variety of reasons.
But they're not the ones getting in people's faces, they're not parading around as Proud Boys.
Of course the idea of still voting for a candidate who DOES openly SUPPORT groups like the Proud Boys is sheer stupidity but I have to forgive stupidity for no other reason than I am guilty of plenty of stupidity myself.

But if you want examples of the Trump cultists, start with the Proud Boys, the tiki torch fiends.

Yeah well I wasn't thinking Proud Boys or any of those other halfwits. More the 70,000,000 or so other mostly normal people who voted for Trump.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

It goes both ways. Though for the side now in power to play just to the base as Trump did would make them no better than him and doom us to another 4 years of crap. Biden is making the right noises so there is hope.

Yes and you just went our way and I ASKED IF IT goes both ways, so by you responding a second time with "it goes both ways" it's as if you're ignoring my question.
Duly noted!
Make no mistake, I am not eager for Joe to "pander to his base" even though ALL politicians engage in some amount of that.
Still, I am sure Joe knows that many took his promise to be President to all seriously.
I know I do, and I will further clarify MY position as regards THIS particular thread right now, just so you have ZERO question in YOUR mind:
(the one that is further ignoring my question)

There are Republicans, there are libertarians, there are conservatives.
Some are all three, some aren't.
Some are former Republicans, who left the party but remain conservative.

And then...there is the hardcore Trump base, the ones who, FOR EXAMPLE, insisted that the ONLY GOP platform should consist of "Anything and everything Trump wants, thus NO GOP platform", the ones who have embraced groups like The Proud Boys, the tiki torch marchers in Charlottesville, the III %-ers, the Bundy Clan, the Oath Keepers, and the entire burgeoning domestic paramilitary "militia" movement, the theocrats, and the like.

What do you suppose the chances are that the hardcore Trump base will make any attempt at honest outreach and unity, in whole or even in part, even a small part, with the rest of America and with the Democrats?
Should Joe Biden voters await such entreaties because there may be a chance of that happening?
That is not a rhetorical question, I would really like to know what you think.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Yeah well I wasn't thinking Proud Boys or any of those other halfwits. More the 70,000,000 or so other mostly normal people who voted for Trump.

Seventy million who voted for Trump, okay.
How many of those seventy million do you think support the Proud Boys?

 

[Bullseye]

Honestly, I’m going to have more problems finding any respect for my Bidenbot neighbors or fellow Americans. The let the cleverly crafted Dem/Media fantasy warp their brains. Down ballot results clearly demonstrate the country supports Trump’s policies and goals; and then the elect a doddering old man. How can an incoming President’s party LOSE 10 seats in the House and not even be able to flip at least ONE state level chamber? How can any of the 56% of people who felt they were better off after four years of Trump vote for Biden - the ideological anti-Trump.
My leftie neighbors and countrymen ****ed up royally.

 

[Mr Person]

I am always open to reformed "whatevers", be it reformed gangbangers, reformed Trumpians, reformed nazis, reformed klansmen, take your pick. I do not demand they give up conservative values in the least. I guarantee you I am interested in finding common ground with conservatives on a wide range of issues.

Take immigration, for instance.
I am open to a merit based system, if for no other reason than most countries use that system:
Bring whatcha got and make it good so you can be sure to get in.

But that is for ordinary immigrants, not refugees. But let's look at the refugees, too.
If we admit a bunch of refugees, I would like to see them take proactive steps toward at least partial assimilation just as much as I'd like to see at least partial assimilation by legit immigrants,. First step: LEARN ENGLISH, with exceptions made for the elderly, of course.

I'm sure I can be even more flexible on that issue, and plenty of others, I am sure I can find common ground between libs and cons on a variety of issues.
Now....try doing that with a hardcore Trumper, rotsa ruck!

Here’s your daily “conservatives and Trump supporters are Nazi’s” comparison comment. BTW, the Democratic Party formed the KKK.

Funny how he didn't say anything like that, isn't it?



PS: I see you are avoiding Heisenberg's response in post 340. Why might that be?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Funny how he didn't say anything like that, isn't it?



PS: I see you are avoiding Heisenberg's response in post 340. Why might that be?

Some people are only here to do one thing, get their fix of librul tears.
That's Chuck in a nutshell.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Will you ever respect you Trumpist neighbors again?

I know I wont. Not out of malice or to be vindictive but rather because they have exposed themselves.

TRump cultists turned their back on America in favor of hate, orange hate. I will never look at them the same.

Will you?

OMG! The lying, coup attempting, race baiting democrats don't trust Trump voters? We just got sick of the BS we got from Obama, who was going to unite the country and spent 8 years telling the world America was a sorry place, with a terrible history and we owed the world an apology. Yeah an apology for saving the western world from the Germans, the Japanese and the Soviets. I'm not sure which is worse, the lying and the attempts to make us a communist country or the thought that democrats actually believe the crap they spread.

 

[noonereal]

OMG! The lying, coup attempting, race baiting democrats don't trust Trump voters? We just got sick of the BS we got from Obama, who was going to unite the country and spent 8 years telling the world America was a sorry place, with a terrible history and we owed the world an apology. Yeah an apology for saving the western world from the Germans, the Japanese and the Soviets. I'm not sure which is worse, the lying and the attempts to make us a communist country or the thought that democrats actually believe the crap they spread.

Trumpists are awful humans, it's a terrible cult.

 

[roguenuke]

I do hope, though, that you stay away from them during the pandemic. Anti-maskers are a real danger to society.

By the way, I have no difficulty understanding that Nazis are a danger to society, too, no matter how polite they may seem.

My sister and mother live in another state.

My husband is still my husband and his family lives with us. They are not Nazis. I may feel their views are misguided, but it is wrong to call all Trump supporters "Nazis".

 

[Rudy]

There isn't.

Oh ryly?

Wanna make a cash bet that I can't name seven Republican Senators and six Republican congressmen who have congratulated Biden on his win?

 

[Gaius46]

Seventy million who voted for Trump, okay.
How many of those seventy million do you think support the Proud Boys?

I have no clue. All I know is that the people I know who voted for Trump either held their noses as they did it, always vote vote Republican or though he was preferable to Clinton either personally or from a policy perspective.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I have no clue. All I know is that the people I know who voted for Trump either held their noses as they did it, always vote vote Republican or though he was preferable to Clinton either personally or from a policy perspective.

I disagree with their choices but that is not who I am talking about.
I have two older brothers, one (middle brother) is just the kind of person who avoids anything Democrat because he fixates on tax cuts and deregulation of practically everything. So, he thinks Trump is a moron but that he's giving him what he wants, hence he voted Trump in 2016 and again this time around. And in 2024 if an old yellow dog is running as GOP candidate for POTUS he will probably vote that way again.

My oldest brother on the other hand is a piece of work.
He's been brainwashed LONG before Trump ever came down that escalator.
He bought into the birther nonsense and Obama Jade Helm!!!! all the way.
He's one of those "bikers for Trump", and he supports every armed militia you can name and maybe a few new ones.

I do understand the difference.

 

[RealityNow]

They are mostly racist trailer trash so it's hard to respect them. I think some are just indoctrinated weak losers. They could eventually grow out of it. I'm sure some will look back and feel shame. I suppose if they say they are sorry for what they have done to this country I'll give them a second chance.

Some people are just with the evil of racism in them, because of their own sense of inferiority and incompetency when it comes to compeering on level ground. (We saw that with Trump's many efforts to cheat)
Some of these people have been born and raised and feed racism that was passed on into them from generation to generation's, and nothing about their lives has benefitted from their obsessions to be racist. They are not of the intellectual capacity to realize that!!!! They feed on Right Wing promotions of Fear, Envy, Resentments and they are Trained on a Daily Basis to attack something and try and blame everything in society, because they have obsessed their minds with needing and excuse to keep from examining their own lives and face truths.

Let them wallow in their self generated hell... they delight in that.. because they 'are desperate" for the belligerence Trump spews to feed the anger to drive them to even feel alive and lay blame anywhere they can... because they can't face the truth of themselves. They will continue to die out as the decades come with the same vile racist ignorance they cling to. They seek and desire to live in pursuit of engaging Savagery as their concept of living, and they can't understand why its contested.
They don't understand.. everyone Is Not.. driven by aspirations of Savagery as their lust for Money.
These are the type of people who raise kids that plot to shoot up schools, they will wipe out the entire family in their anguish about not having money, and these are the segments that 'beat the women' because she won't act like she's his possession, and the women are anguished, because he does not have the money to create a Soap Opera and TV Commercial Imagery Life for her.

They loved the "Savagery of Trump's Vile TV Show"... because it was "examples of savagery" which they wish they could create in their everyday lives. His show was about nothing but "denigrating people" and he loved the idea of "denigrating former TV Stars that had fallen on hard times" and their career's had stalled.

 

[Gaius46]

Yes and you just went our way and I ASKED IF IT goes both ways, so by you responding a second time with "it goes both ways" it's as if you're ignoring my question.
Duly noted!
Make no mistake, I am not eager for Joe to "pander to his base" even though ALL politicians engage in some amount of that.
Still, I am sure Joe knows that many took his promise to be President to all seriously.
I know I do, and I will further clarify MY position as regards THIS particular thread right now, just so you have ZERO question in YOUR mind:
(the one that is further ignoring my question)

There are Republicans, there are libertarians, there are conservatives.
Some are all three, some aren't.
Some are former Republicans, who left the party but remain conservative.

And then...there is the hardcore Trump base, the ones who, FOR EXAMPLE, insisted that the ONLY GOP platform should consist of "Anything and everything Trump wants, thus NO GOP platform", the ones who have embraced groups like The Proud Boys, the tiki torch marchers in Charlottesville, the III %-ers, the Bundy Clan, the Oath Keepers, and the entire burgeoning domestic paramilitary "militia" movement, the theocrats, and the like.

What do you suppose the chances are that the hardcore Trump base will make any attempt at honest outreach and unity, in whole or even in part, even a small part, with the rest of America and with the Democrats?
Should Joe Biden voters await such entreaties because there may be a chance of that happening?
That is not a rhetorical question, I would really like to know what you think.

Okay. So i list myself as libertarian but that's basically because it's the best label, though it's not perfect. I am a small government, fiscal conservative who thinks that people should pretty much be left alone to live their lives as they see fit. Though having grown up in NYC I know that people can't live in close proximity to each without some rules but those should be kept the absolute minimum necessary.

Even if agreed with Trump's policies - not that he ever really enumerated anything beyond slogans - I would not have voted for him because I saw nothing in his background or temperment that led me to think he could either do the do the job or grow into it and sadly I was right.

Taking the extremists out of the picture I believe that most people who voted for Trump did so because their lives are shit and they thought he'd make things better for them. His "wall" bullshit played well because because there are a lot of people who believe that "the Mexicans" are taking their jobs and using lots of resources that should be used to make their lives better. Same with people who work in manufacturing. They see jobs going overseas and someone sells them a load of crap about bringing their jobs back and they buy into it cause they got nothing else.

I can't put a number to it but I really do believe that most Trump voters are normal people who have crappy lives who really believed he was gonna save them.

Minor point: You didn't use the word "it goes both ways" in any response to me - at least not that I saw

 

[d0gbreath]

Neighbors schmabors. My daughter told me on the phone last night that my Mother voted for trump. I talked to Mom today and didn't bring it up. Funny that she told my daughter, but not me. I'll just leave it at hearsay and forget about it.

 

[Gaius46]

I disagree with their choices but that is not who I am talking about.
I have two older brothers, one (middle brother) is just the kind of person who avoids anything Democrat because he fixates on tax cuts and deregulation of practically everything. So, he thinks Trump is a moron but that he's giving him what he wants, hence he voted Trump in 2016 and again this time around. And in 2024 if an old yellow dog is running as GOP candidate for POTUS he will probably vote that way again.

My oldest brother on the other hand is a piece of work.
He's been brainwashed LONG before Trump ever came down that escalator.
He bought into the birther nonsense and Obama Jade Helm!!!! all the way.
He's one of those "bikers for Trump", and he supports every armed militia you can name and maybe a few new ones.

I do understand the difference.

Okay. So everyone I know personally who voted for Trump falls in line with your middle brother. That would include my middle and youngest brothers and my closest friend. We have "bikers for Trump" types out here and some dumbass people who post pics of themselves on social media waving rifles and begging protesters to trespass on their property but that's the minority.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Okay. So everyone I know personally who voted for Trump falls in line with your middle brother. That would include my middle and youngest brothers and my closest friend. We have "bikers for Trump" types out here and some dumbass people who post pics of themselves on social media waving rifles and begging protesters to trespass on their property but that's the minority.

Of course I recognize the fact that they are in the minority.
That has little or nothing to do with it because some minority groups are well funded, and connected intimately with a lot of media presence. The Proud Boys are supported by Roger Stone, so you'd better believe that they are well funded, and have zero difficulty getting media presence when they want it.

ISIS is in the minority in the Muslim world, yes? There's over a BILLION members of the Muslim faith and maybe only a few hundred thousand ISIS.
Would anyone in their right mind claim that ISIS is unimportant, undetectable and harmless?

 

[Daqueef]

Most progressives hate their parents, hate over 75% of all Americans who are Christians and would be malcontent whiners in business meetings like you posted about yourself. You definitely are not alone among progressive Democrats.

^

 

[Daqueef]

Trump lost. The hell with him.

So why continue to denigrate those that voted for him? Statements that cant respect them, will never be friends, etc. Jesus, what a bunch of self important wussies.

By the way, Bernie already wanting socialism and a cabinet position. Some of you might be thrilled but if it happens I suspect some never Trumpers wont be happy.

 

[Daqueef]

Definitely not. The vast majority of Trump voters are racist traitors as far as I'm concerned.

This latest movement to delegitimize Biden as President is really not much different than the birther movement to delegitimize Obama, when you get right down to it.
And the birther movement is what gained Trump such huge support among all of the Repug racists in the first place.

Repugs are such fascists now that they can't accept a Democratic President as legitimate anymore, under any circumstances.

 

[Daqueef]

Unfortunately that’s a decent size of my family so I’m going to have let bygones be bygones

LOL at this thread. All the resident libruuls show up, throw up high fives, and shower love on each other.

According to you libruls there is something wrong with half the country for supporting Trump. But supporting crooked Hillary and crooked senile Biden is ok.

Other than his personality, Trump did fine as President, blowhard claims by you libruuls withstanding. I have no respect for you gullible libruuls. for your inability to see it differently.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Yes, I should continue to be tolerant as the Repug Nazi Party tries to end democracy in this country.

Why do most of those traitorous ****s refuse to say that Biden won the election? Why should I be tolerant of mother ****ers like this?

 

[roguenuke]

LOL at this thread. All the resident libruuls show up, throw up high fives, and shower love on each other.

According to you libruls there is something wrong with half the country for supporting Trump. But supporting crooked Hillary and crooked senile Biden is ok.

Other than his personality, Trump did fine as President, blowhard claims by you libruuls withstanding. I have no respect for you gullible libruuls. for your inability to see it differently.

Note how you failed to mention those Trump supporters and even just Republicans who say there is something wrong with all liberals, all Democrats, all those who voted for Biden.

I am married to someone who voted for Trump. I love the man, we just have differing political views. We are close enough in our views overall to compromise though, to not be hostile towards each other.

But don't think that there aren't just as many on Trump's side, in Trump's camp who say there is something wrong with (about) "half the country for supporting" Biden (or Hillary before, or Obama before that, or Clinton before that).

Is It Time to Call Democrats “Evil”? You Decide - Nevada Republican Club

What if I reported my opinion is Democrats have now officially crossed the line into “evil.” I’m sure some of you might say I’m being harsh.

nevadarepublicanclub.com

And it isn't just around the net, in other places. You can see it on this site too. I won't name names, but it isn't too hard to see that some people on here hate Democrats, loath them, think there is something wrong with them. In fact, some will include anyone who voted for Biden or anyone who didn't vote for Trump in that view.

Yes, some Democrats do it, but it is not exclusive.

 

[ultmd]

Will you ever respect you Trumpist neighbors again?

I know I wont. Not out of malice or to be vindictive but rather because they have exposed themselves.

TRump cultists turned their back on America in favor of hate, orange hate. I will never look at them the same.

Will you?

Agree.

But honestly, none of this (i.e. Trumpism) has been even remotely surprising (or disappointing) to me (and most other black/brown Americans).

This is America. This has always been America. And I have no more, nor any less, respect for my neighbors (who are overwhelmingly pro-Trump) today, versus pre-Trump days.

After all, these are all the same people...the same 40% (give or take) of the public....who spent the previous 8 years demonizing and marginalizing President Obama in almost every nasty, disrespectful way imaginable. These are the same people that have always been on the other side of the political divide. Trump didn't create them. He just consolidated and emboldened them.

Perhaps the best thing to come from the rise of Trumpism will be the removal of blinders from a lot of white moderates who have never understood the depth and breadth of the "Trumpist" sentiments in our society. For most white Americans, racism has always been more of an abstract concept than an in-your-face reality.

Trumpism has help ripped the veil off of that facade.

 

[Daqueef]

Agree.

But honestly, none of this (i.e. Trumpism) has been even remotely surprising (or disappointing) to me (and most other black/brown Americans).

This is America. This has always been America. And I have no more, nor any less, respect for my neighbors (who are overwhelmingly pro-Trump) today, versus pre-Trump days.

After all, these are all the same people...the same 40% (give or take) of the public....who spent the previous 8 years demonizing and marginalizing President Obama in almost every nasty, disrespectful way imaginable. These are the same people that have always been on the other side of the political divide. Trump didn't create them. He just consolidated and emboldened them.

Perhaps the best thing to come from the rise of Trumpism will be the removal of blinders from a lot of white moderates who have never understood the depth and breadth of the "Trumpist" sentiments in our society. For most white Americans, racism has always been more of an abstract concept than an in-your-face reality.

Trumpism has help ripped the veil off of that facade.

As long as the person wasn’t outright racist or inflammatory about shit I won’t have a problem with them. Why should you?