Will Obamacare destroy jobs?

[CRUE CAB]

If I made $50k a year I would/could not have paid. Then you know who does under our current system? Everyone else, which drives up costs for everyone and makes it more likley the next guy will have to file or just walk away, and then those costs will be passed on and on and on. Yet the healthcare industry and insurancce industry will get its profit. We will have a UHC system someday that everyone pays into, we have to and will.

WE cant afford it.
Me paying for others is for lack of a better term bull****.
When will I go to the grocery store and be forced to pay for the guy behind me because he doesnt have enough money for his steaks.

 

[greengirl77]

The people voted it is law sorry you guys lost.

 

[ttwtt78640]

How in the world would I know that you are a racist?
In you opinion, what is the government's limit regarding social justice?

Direct taxation of income coupled with equal (re)distribution of benefits is OK.

Things that are not OK:

1) Giving citizen A 2X what is given to citizen B simply because one has a dependent child is insane.

That only encourages the "needy" to become needier by producing ever more children. It may be an efficient way to generate votes from maintaining a gov't dependent underclass, and by growing that underclass at an artificially high (subsidized) rate, but it is not justice or "helping" anyone.

2) Giving citizen A free that which is not only expected to be bought by citizen B but by using their own after tax income to do so.

That is not equal treatment under the law, that is a negative income taxation rate. Lowering federal taxation to ZERO is as much as the federal tax code should ever permit. I would allow one exception here - gov't support for the physically/mentally disabled, e.g. SSI disabiility/Medicaid.

3) Taxation of equal amounts of income based on how (or upon who) that income was later spent.

That is not equal treatment under the law.

 

[mak2]

You are paying for it in our current system in the least effinent way possible. Had I filed bankruptcy on those medical bills you would have paid them. You do realize that dont you? Our current system is what we cant afford. It has nothing to do with steaks.

WE cant afford it.
Me paying for others is for lack of a better term bull****.
When will I go to the grocery store and be forced to pay for the guy behind me because he doesnt have enough money for his steaks.

 

[mak2]

Well, then there is that...

The people voted it is law sorry you guys lost.

 

[VanceMack]

It's called sarcasm.

And yet...not. You actually believe people should be able to wreck that car and THEN be insured. You actually honk people should be able to not carry insurance, develop a condition, THEN get insurance and make them pay for it. You just think insurance companies should eat the cost. That's not sarcastic...it's just...sad.

 

[mak2]

What happens now? If someone is 19 years old and crashes his motorcycle and has no insurance. Lets say his bill is a couple hundred thousand. Under our current system, who do you think pays for that?

And yet...not. You actually believe people should be able to wreck that car and THEN be insured. You actually honk people should be able to not carry insurance, develop a condition, THEN get insurance and make them pay for it. You just think insurance companies should eat the cost. That's not sarcastic...it's just...sad.

 

[trfjr]

You are paying for it in our current system in the least effinent way possible. Had I filed bankruptcy on those medical bills you would have paid them. You do realize that dont you? Our current system is what we cant afford. It has nothing to do with steaks.

then explain. if Obama care is more efficient then what is currently happening then why are insurance cost going up?

 

[GottaGo]

Will James Francis Edwards be paying for the damages he inflicted upon Chris Lane and his family?

Don't know the case.

 

[mak2]

I look at Obama care as the first step to a UHC system. I am not convienced rates/costs system wide are going up, besides it has been going up 8-12 percent for years, where was the outrage before? I think the RW leadership are just making noise to play to their base. With the excpetion of the really dim, like Palin and a few others, anyone of average intelligence can see UHC is a far better system.

then explain. if Obama care is more efficient then what is currently happening then why are insurance cost going up?

 

[lolabird]

And yet...not. You actually believe people should be able to wreck that car and THEN be insured. You actually honk people should be able to not carry insurance, develop a condition, THEN get insurance and make them pay for it. You just think insurance companies should eat the cost. That's not sarcastic...it's just...sad.

Auto wrecks are a rarity; therefore, anyone involved in an accident should be forbidden to ever drive again. People who have pre-existing conditions should have to pay an exorbitant amount because they think themselves to be special, and insurance companies should never have to eat any costs because it's not their responsibility. Their only concern should be making a profit.
Happy motoring to you!

 

[lolabird]

then explain. if Obama care is more efficient then what is currently happening then why are insurance cost going up?

Why have insurance premiums increased 131% in the last 10 years?

 

[lolabird]

Don't know the case.

Does that mean you will excuse the shooter?

 

[trfjr]

I look at Obama care as the first step to a UHC system. I am not convienced rates/costs system wide are going up, besides it has been going up 8-12 percent for years, where was the outrage before? I think the RW leadership are just making noise to play to their base. With the excpetion of the really dim, like Palin and a few others, anyone of average intelligence can see UHC is a far better system.

so your trying to claim UHC is better then what the U.S. had?

10 Surprising Facts about American Health Care | NCPA

Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment within six months:
U.S. 93%
England 15%
Canada 43%

Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six months:
U.S. 90%
England 15%
Canada 43%

Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:
U.S. 77%
England 40%
Canada 43%

Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:
U.S. 71
England 14
Canada 18

Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in “excellent health”:
U.S. 12%
England 2%
Canada 6%

 

[VanceMack]

What happens now? If someone is 19 years old and crashes his motorcycle and has no insurance. Lets say his bill is a couple hundred thousand. Under our current system, who do you think pays for that?

Everyone else. Obamacare doesn't change that. What it WILL DO is bundle up cost overruns and greater debt and put it off for future generations to have to deal with. None of that negates (or is relevant) to the topic of preexisting conditions.

 

[VanceMack]

Auto wrecks are a rarity; therefore, anyone involved in an accident should be forbidden to ever drive again. People who have pre-existing conditions should have to pay an exorbitant amount because they think themselves to be special, and insurance companies should never have to eat any costs because it's not their responsibility. Their only concern should be making a profit.
Happy motoring to you!

No...everyone that drives should be responsible to purchase insurance. I they DON'T purchase insurance then they shouldn't drive. If they DO DRIVE and wreck their car, it should no be beholden for insurance companies to fix the damage.

 

[trfjr]

Why have insurance premiums increased 131% in the last 10 years?

that is an avgerage 13% per year with Obama care it has gone up 20 to 50%

At the end of 2012, Mark Bertolini, the CEO of Aetna, the third-largest health insurer in the country, warned that many consumers would face “premium rate shock” with the advent of Obamacare’s major insurance regulations in 2014. He predicted that unsubsidized premiums would rise 20 to 50 percent, on average.

For some people, premiums would double. “We’re going to see some markets go up as much as 100 percent,” Bertolini told Bloomberg News.

Obamacare Guarantees Higher Health Insurance Premiums -- $3,000+ Higher - Forbes

 

[lolabird]

No...everyone that drives should be responsible to purchase insurance. I they DON'T purchase insurance then they shouldn't drive. If they DO DRIVE and wreck their car, it should no be beholden for insurance companies to fix the damage.

Isn't it a state law that every motorist must carry auto insurance?

 

[lolabird]

that is an avgerage 13% per year with Obama care it has gone up 20 to 50%



Obamacare Guarantees Higher Health Insurance Premiums -- $3,000+ Higher - Forbes

Perhaps you can shed light as to why 60% of Americans file bankruptcy because of medical issues.

 

[VanceMack]

Isn't it a state law that every motorist must carry auto insurance?

yep and every state should also handle their healthcare concerns.

 

[lolabird]

yep and every state should also handle their healthcare concerns.

An excellent example would be the state of Massachusetts. Does the state require all residents to carry health insurance?

 

[mak2]

Dont they call it Romney care there?

An excellent example would be the state of Massachusetts. Does the state require all residents to carry health insurance?

 

[VanceMack]

An excellent example would be the state of Massachusetts. Does the state require all residents to carry health insurance?

I believe so and in not sure if you think you are scoring points or not. I have long held that STATES should mandate and provide health care reform. STATE run. State funded. State paid.

 

[lolabird]

I believe so and in not sure if you think you are scoring points or not. I have long held that STATES should mandate and provide health care reform. STATE run. State funded. State paid.

You may be on to something big. Why did California hospitals close?
How does the state of Alabama help their uninsured residents?

 

[GottaGo]

Does that mean you will excuse the shooter?

No, that means I don't know about the case.