Will he or won't he?

[jnug]

He's making his first national address tomorrow, slated for 8 minutes.

Will Trump declare an emergency taking us into uncharted constitutional waters?

Doing so would end up in court and given his new majority, will this be the first president that abuses his power to fulfill an impractical campaign promise?

IMO, tomorrow night, NO! Declaring a National Emergency under these circumstances would be the height of disrespect for process and prove beyond any doubt that Trump never had the skills or even the intention of doing what he needed to do to get the funding for his Wall. It would prove he never actually knew what he had to do to get it done. That would be a hard reality for Mr I know everything and I am the only one that can fix it. It would put his entire Presidency in what is in fact the light it deserves which is the last thing Donald wants. So IMO, NO, not tomorrow night. The emperor does not want to be completely disrobed at this point.

 

[SoCal]

It would not be a fascist move.

Trump is not a fascist.

This is not a fascist government.

What, in your opinion, is a fascist? What is fascism? That word gets slung around too many times on both sides.

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy, which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

Wikipedia has the classic definition which is spot on. Trump being a one man show led by his gut, a proud nationalist, who claims our free press is the enemy of the people and cheered on the roughing up of reporters during his campaign rallies.

He sure sounds like a fascist to me...

 

[Moon]

When a hurricane or flood destroys whole towns, everyone from all parties know it's an emergency. When the members of only one political party believe there's an emergency, it's not.

Can you show that in any law that currently exists?

 

[RaleBulgarian]

No I dont think he declares an emergency and yes I think he rips the Failed Washington Elite a new asshole.

One elitist ranting at other elitists. Amusing.

 

[SoCal]

Can you show that in any law that currently exists?

No, it's a basic humanitarian thing that most Americans understand, but Trump and the cult can't quite wrap their heads around...

 

[Xyce]

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy, which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

Wikipedia has the classic definition which is spot on. Trump being a one man show led by his gut, a proud nationalist, who claims our free press is the enemy of the people and cheered on the roughing up of reporters during his campaign rallies.

He sure sounds like a fascist to me...

Here is Merriam-Webster's definition. It's important to define our words.

A political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

The US is not an autocratic government. If it was we would not have elections. Therefore, the Democrats would not have taken the House. The government would not be shut down. The wall would have all the money that is needed to get it built.

Trump is not a dictator. He actually got elected in 2016.

There is no "economic and social regimentation."

And there is no "forcible suppression of opposition." If there was, for example, late-night comedians would be singing a different tune.

You must understand it is highly disrespectful to be so hyperbolic with your words. There is actual fascism. Nazi Germany was actual fascism in which 6 million people died during the Holocaust. It is deeply disrespectful to their memory to compare Trump to a fascist leader, as if your mere disagreement with him equates to those who were sent to Auschwitz. Some actually consider such a hyperbolic attitude to be a form of Antisemitism.

 

[Moon]

No, it's a basic humanitarian thing that most Americans understand, but Trump and the cult can't quite wrap their heads around...

So you only agree with them when it's for humanitarian reasons, or it's a President you support.

 

[Deuce]

Any declaration can be challenged.

That's not an answer to the question I asked.

 

[Hawkeye10]

One elitist ranting at other elitists. Amusing.

I would expect a serious speech.

I dont know what he is going to do, but I hope he takes Washington to the woodshed for a much deserved tune-up.

They certainly have it coming.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I would expect a serious speech.

I dont know what he is going to do, but I hope he takes Washington to the woodshed for a much deserved tune-up.

They certainly have it coming.

Many are worthy of a trip to the woodshed. Trump should join them for some well earned nonsectarian self flagellation.

 

[SoCal]

...You must understand it is highly disrespectful to be so hyperbolic with your words. There is actual fascism. Nazi Germany was actual fascism in which 6 million people died during the Holocaust. It is deeply disrespectful to their memory to compare Trump to a fascist leader, as if your mere disagreement with him equates to those who were sent to Auschwitz. Some actually consider such a hyperbolic attitude to be a form of Antisemitism.

I never compared him to Hitler, that's being hyperbolic. I gave examples of why Trump fits many of the features of a fascist as defined by Wki. If you can make an argument refuting my post, have at it. And btw, not every fascist is a dictator or dictator wanna be. It's the same with communists.

If you're not comfortable being deeply disrespected, this probably isn't the place for you...

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

I wonder if Trump will put his name on the wall. Like Trump casino and Trump Plaza. He bankrupted both of those, but with the wall I doubt even he could bankrupt that. But hey, he's so incompetent you never know.

 

[Xyce]

I never compared him to Hitler, that's being hyperbolic. I gave examples of why Trump fits many of the features of a fascist as defined by Wki. If you can make an argument refuting my post, have at it. And btw, not every fascist is a dictator or dictator wanna be. It's the same with communists.

If you're not comfortable being deeply disrespected, this probably isn't the place for you...

Well, then, forgive me for assuming that you are one of these deranged people on the left that compare Trump to Hitler. You being very liberal and not comparing Trump to Hitler, but still thinking he is a fascist, you are quite in the minority of your ideological group.

That said, what are you talking about about that not every fascist government is led by a dictator? By definition, according to Merriam-Webster, a fascist government is a "centralized autocratic government" that is "headed by a dictatorial leader." For a government to be a fascist government, the leader of such a government must be a dictator. You also did not knock down the other rudiments that make up fascism. Therefore, it is not just hyperbolic, it is flat out lying to to claim that Trump and this government is fascistic. You need to bring a lot of evidence to prove that charge. You need to prove that all the rudiments that make up fascism exist. If you can prove that beyond a reasonable doubt, I will be just as anti-Trump as you are--maybe even more--demanding his impeachment.

 

[Moon]

I wonder if Trump will put his name on the wall. Like Trump casino and Trump Plaza. He bankrupted both of those, but with the wall I doubt even he could bankrupt that. But hey, he's so incompetent you never know.

Hope not, that would be tacky.

 

[Airyaman]

Sure, he'll announce it in grand fashion, then walk it back the next day, like everything else. All sizzle and no steak with this farce of an administration.

Yup. Trump makes announcements on TV, Twitter and Facebook but rarely ever follows up with the formal processes involved. This will be the same.

 

[Xyce]

Hope not, that would be tacky.

It would be funny, though. Can you imagine how much liberals would lose their minds over it? :lamo

 

[Moon]

It would be funny, though. Can you imagine how much liberals would lose their minds over it? :lamo

Eh, that's not something that motivates me. Seems too many people of all political persuasions lose their minds over this and that these days.

 

[Xyce]

Eh, that's not something that motivates me. Seems too many people of all political persuasions lose their minds over this and that these days.

I agree.

 

[jnug]

Well, then, forgive me for assuming that you are one of these deranged people on the left that compare Trump to Hitler. You being very liberal and not comparing Trump to Hitler, but still thinking he is a fascist, you are quite in the minority of your ideological group.

That said, what are you talking about about that not every fascist government is led by a dictator? By definition, according to Merriam-Webster, a fascist government is a "centralized autocratic government" that is "headed by a dictatorial leader." For a government to be a fascist government, the leader of such a government must be a dictator. You also did not knock down the other rudiments that make up fascism. Therefore, it is not just hyperbolic, it is flat out lying to to claim that Trump and this government is fascistic. You need to bring a lot of evidence to prove that charge. You need to prove that all the rudiments that make up fascism exist.

Nope, Hitler was smarter than Trump and (I know hard to believe) more twisted than Trump which is not the same as more corrupt or more narcissistic.

Now Newt Gingrich, that little POS was closer to Hitler than Trump ever thought of being. Newt is not quite as twisted as Hitler but miles smarter than Trump ever thought of being, much like Hitler. God only knows what caught up to Hitler....syphilis, drug addiction and at the heart of it, the same Treaty of Versailles disease that infected most Germans and Austrians after WW1 I would guess. An overblown sense of his own importance is what afflicted Newt.

Trump for his part is just dumb as a tree stump, ignorant as a rock, corrupt beyond what anybody can actually imagine other than possibly Fred Trump but is unscrupulous and narcissistic beyond anything Hitler or Gingrich could possibly achieve in ten lifetimes. The combination of Trump's unscrupulousness, narcissism and corruption roll up into a pathology all its own, possibly unmatched anywhere at any time by anybody for its combination of elements. The elements of Trump's pathology are what allows him to lie so often and so boldly and so bombastically with as straight a face as you will ever see.

Oh and just for the record, Fred Trump was also miles and miles smarter than Donald. How more of Fred's genius and attention for Real Estate detail did not rub off on Donald is beyond me. It is the mystery that virtually all tri-staters struggled with for decades and finally gave up trying to ponder.

 

[SoCal]

Well, then, forgive me for assuming that you are one of these deranged people on the left that compare Trump to Hitler. You being very liberal and not comparing Trump to Hitler, but still thinking he is a fascist, you are quite in the minority of your ideological group.

That said, what are you talking about about that not every fascist government is led by a dictator? By definition, according to Merriam-Webster, a fascist government is a "centralized autocratic government" that is "headed by a dictatorial leader." For a government to be a fascist government, the leader of such a government must be a dictator. You also did not knock down the other rudiments that make up fascism. Therefore, it is not just hyperbolic, it is flat out lying to to claim that Trump and this government is fascistic. You need to bring a lot of evidence to prove that charge. You need to prove that all the rudiments that make up fascism exist. If you can prove that beyond a reasonable doubt, I will be just as anti-Trump as you are--maybe even more--demanding his impeachment.

You are forgiven my son.

First of all, I said not every fascists or communist is a dictator or dictator wannabe. I never denied that a fascist government is headed by a dictatorial leader, they are.

You're misunderstanding again, slow down. I believe Trump has most of the characteristics of Wiki's definition, I never claimed we're living under the iron fist of a fascist government.

These are the characteristics Wiki uses to define a fascist;

1. - Authoritarian
I believe Trump has a lot of authoritarian traits, running his companies single handily, supporting and praising every dictator he meets, the latest is parroting Putin's excuse for invading Afghanistan.

He doesn't like to hear opinions contrary to his. Everyone with any gravitas in military affairs or politics who dared tell him he's a moron (in nice terms), has been fired. He surrounds himself with 'yes men' (no 'yes women'). He has claimed that his 'gut' knows more than our country's best and brightest. He. Himself. As in, me, me, me. You really don't think that if he had his way he wouldn't run our government like he runs his companies?!? Get real. He's an authoritarian.

2. - Ultra-nationalism
A few months ago he was caught on video proudly admitting he's a nationalist.

3. - Dictatorial power
Not yet, lets see what happens tomorrow

4. - Forcible suppression of opposition
He cheered on the forcible roughing up opposition reporters during his campaign rallies. He claims that our free press is the enemy of the people (except Fox News). If you don't think that if he had his way, he wouldn't suppress his "enemy of the people", you're in denial.

The Man Who Would Be King
In order to protect the president, Trump’s advocates have turned to arguing his power is virtually unlimited.

5. - Strong regimentation of society and of the economy
This one's half and half. Conservatives love tradition and are xenophobic, but they give the rich, rather then the people (thru their gov) a free hand in shaping our economy.

I'd say he has at least 3 1/2 of the 5 traits of a fascist. Majority rules, except for our Electoral College...

...Oh and just for the record, Fred Trump was also miles and miles smarter than Donald. How more of Fred's genius and attention for Real Estate detail did not rub off on Donald is beyond me...

Thankfully most exceptionally smart people don't usually raise children smarter than they are. If they did we would ultimately be faced with a race of superior brains. Trump has done his part in breaking the chain...

 

[marke]

He's making his first national address tomorrow, slated for 8 minutes.

Will Trump declare an emergency taking us into uncharted constitutional waters?

Doing so would end up in court and given his new majority, will this be the first president that abuses his power to fulfill an impractical campaign promise?

Everything Trump does will end up in democrat kangaroo court if the democrats have their way. God bless America, long loved and respected by millions of patriotic Americans is today quickly being fundamentally transformed into the new socialist democrat version, better known as "Goddamn America."

 

[PleasantValley]

He's making his first national address tomorrow, slated for 8 minutes.

Will Trump declare an emergency taking us into uncharted constitutional waters?

Doing so would end up in court and given his new majority, will this be the first president that abuses his power to fulfill an impractical campaign promise?

Truman tried something similar, but not quite the same.
If Trump's people want this to stick, then they should have researched Truman's failures and found a way around them.

If he does declare it, then it will be a bit reminiscent of " A Clear and Present Danger".

 

[PleasantValley]

He will. The military will show up and take peoples land at gun point. And his mindless drones base will cheer.

I'm in my 60's.. I lived through a lot. Cold War. Vietnam War. I've never feared for this country as much as I do now. Not just because of Trump. But his cult followers are dangerous and more than willing to throw democracy out the window.

...yet the physical violence, flag burning, vandalism, and open calling for incivility comes from you guys.
Your side wants all of the protections of democracy, but none of the responsibilities.
It is socialism that you really want. Unfettered government control of everything.

I predict landslide sales in black hoodies.
Will it be a call to arms for ya'll to finally eliminate each and every hated person on the other side of your political spectrum in the name of freedom?

...but TRUMP! ...will be your battle cry as you burn and destroy.

 

[SoCal]

Truman tried something similar, but not quite the same.
If Trump's people want this to stick, then they should have researched Truman's failures and found a way around them.

If he does declare it, then it will be a bit reminiscent of " A Clear and Present Danger".

Scary.

I don't listen to him very often, but I'll be watching when he goes on the air tomorrow. Whatever it is, I'll be surprised if it's the some'ol song and dance.

Will he or won't he? I guess only his hairdresser knows for sure...

 

[PleasantValley]

It would not be a fascist move.

Trump is not a fascist.

This is not a fascist government.

What, in your opinion, is a fascist? What is fascism? That word gets slung around too many times on both sides.

Fascist...Nazi...Racist = anyone who disagrees with them. That is the only qualification you need to have them slap that label on your forehead.