Why You Shouldn't Give to the Salvation Army This Holiday Season (1 Viewer)

[apdst]

Yes, but you are in essence saying that you will not donate unless they conform to your morals. I am ok with this, but we should be open about it. The problem is not that the Salvation Army has rules as to who it helps, but that they have such ****ing retarded rules.

IOW, you don't mind a charity only helping certain people, as long as it's the people that you want helped.

I get it!

 

[Whoppletraps]

They help people. Thats all that matters.

Giving to them so they could help some people is a lot better than not giving to them and nobody being helped.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

sure it is, it's just selective charity.

Pretty much every charity does this.
My buddy got bumped out of his Ronald McDonald house room, because someone with a sicker child came in.

I've worked with the people in the prisoner rehab program and it's a good program.
Removing potential repeat offenders from the streets in a constructive way, is a good thing and I'm willing to look over their anti gay policy.

 

[Redress]

At what cost, to push your agenda? Poor people may do without, where they otherwise wouldn't have. Great job putting political correctness ahead of helping people.

Free market dude, free market. Some group will be doing the work that does not discriminate. Why are you so anti-capitalist?

 

[Redress]

IOW, you don't mind a charity only helping certain people, as long as it's the people that you want helped.

I get it!

No: I don't mind charities helping people, period. I will not fund charities that have rules or goals I do not approve of. To put it another way: do you support the ACLU?

 

[liblady]

When you get done making yourself look like an ass, ask that bell ringer why he, or she is there. Chances are, they will tell you that they're a recoving junkie, or alcoholic, or was living on the street, starving, before the Salvation Army helped them.

I'm sure you'll feel real good about yourself, afterwards.

i've been a bell ringer, and the only time i used the salvation army was when i was about 11, and my mother took us there for a room and a thanksgiving dinner. see, my mom was pregnant with an illegitimate child, and decided she couldn't handle the recriminations, so she packed us up (4 kids under 11) and left her home. we were indeed homeless for awhile.

i will donate more to united way now, perhaps the salvation army should stop their discrimination in the name of god. somehow i don't think that's what charity is about. and i feel just fine about myself.

 

[liblady]

Pretty much every charity does this.
My buddy got bumped out of his Ronald McDonald house room, because someone with a sicker child came in.

I've worked with the people in the prisoner rehab program and it's a good program.
Removing potential repeat offenders from the streets in a constructive way, is a good thing and I'm willing to look over their anti gay policy.

your perogative. and mine, not to give to that particular charity.

 

[dontworrybehappy]

This is why you fail. If a group like the Salvation army, decides it won't assist (and their mission statement says otherwise), homosexuals, that's quite within their right as a private entity.

I'm glad the OP posted this thread. I would have never known that the Salvation Army stood for such wonderful morals. It makes me want to give even more this year. I guess you'd call the OP's thread a BACKFIRE.

Thanks for posting. I've never been more proud of the salvation army. They are a private entity and can do what they want to with their money. I'd rather my hard earned donations go towards helping straight people, anyway.

 

[apdst]

wwjd?

He would probably quote himself, where he says that two men ought not lay together.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

your perogative. and mine, not to give to that particular charity.

And that's fine, I use the shot gun approach when I donate to charity and don't solely donate to the SA.
For me, it's the lesser of two evils in the situation and if they would change their policy, I would be happier with them.

 

[apdst]

i've been a bell ringer, and the only time i used the salvation army was when i was about 11, and my mother took us there for a room and a thanksgiving dinner. see, my mom was pregnant with an illegitimate child, and decided she couldn't handle the recriminations, so she packed us up (4 kids under 11) and left her home. we were indeed homeless for awhile.

Yeah, I bet you were.

i will donate more to united way now, perhaps the salvation army should stop their discrimination in the name of god. somehow i don't think that's what charity is about. and i feel just fine about myself.

That leaves the pro-life folks in a conundrum, since the United Way is more about funding planned parenthoods than anything else.

 

[liblady]

Yeah, I bet you were.



That leaves the pro-life folks in a conundrum, since the United Way is more about funding planned parenthoods than anything else.

what's your problem, apdst? are you calling me a liar? and put some facts behind your silly assertions, why don't you?

 

[apdst]

what's your problem, apdst? are you calling me a liar? and put some facts behind your silly assertions, why don't you?

Of course I'm not calling you a liar.

 

[liblady]

then what did you mean by that comment?

 

[Cephus]

Freedom is only OKAY as long as you **** on your principles and beliefs because other people don't like them!

Yup, I have the freedom to tell those obnoxious bell ringers where to shove their bells too. Freedom works both ways. They have the right to be obnoxious bigoted asshats, I have the right to give my money to people who actually deserve it.

 

[whysoserious]

Wow, I was not aware of that. I will probably still give to them, however, since the cause is still valid (unless you find that they do not give to the children of gay and lesbian kids).

 

[molten_dragon]

I didn't know this, but I don't donate to the salvation army anyway due to a couple bad experiences I've had with them in the past.

 

[nota bene]

I'm not harming anything, I'm pointing out that SA is a homophobic organization and that people can do what they want with that fact.

Erm, no he didn't.

They have that right, and everyone has that right to choose whether or not to donate to them and have their money go directly to anti-gay lobbyists. You're starting to get the point of this thread, now, congrats.

Not approving of homosexuality doesn't make one/an organization "homophobic." That's ridiculous and inflammatory.

Here's an idea: Why don't gay activists create a national organization whose aim is to help out destitute, down-on-their-luck homosexuals who are homeless, etc.? Is there some reason that the community can't do this?

 

[misterman]

Thorgasm brought it up, dude. I'm, not going to repeat myself to you.

Whatever.

Thanks for reminding us all that OT law no longer applies. Please don't cite the OT in your arguments against homosexuality. You've got material in the NT to work with anyway.

 

[misterman]

Not approving of homosexuality doesn't make one/an organization "homophobic." That's ridiculous and inflammatory.

Here's an idea: Why don't gay activists create a national organization whose aim is to help out destitute, down-on-their-luck homosexuals who are homeless, etc.? Is there some reason that the community can't do this?

I don't think the Salvation Army restricts itself to helping Christians.

 

[Khayembii Communique]

Not approving of homosexuality doesn't make one/an organization "homophobic." That's ridiculous and inflammatory.

Erm, yes it is. It is actively discriminating against homosexuals on the basis of homophobia.

 

[Cephus]

Not approving of homosexuality doesn't make one/an organization "homophobic." That's ridiculous and inflammatory.

But a charity that refuses to help people in need because of who they choose to sleep with is idiotic. That's the Salvation Army.

 

[Cephus]

I don't think the Salvation Army restricts itself to helping Christians.

They use their charitable activities as a means to help them proselytize to people who are in no condition to refuse. If you want food, you have to pray with them. If you want a place to sleep, you have to at least pretend to be Christian. Real charities help all comers. They don't.

 

[jamesrage]

In case you've forgotten, the holiday season is fast upon us. That means the Salvation Army bell ringers will be out in full force dunning shoppers for donations meant to help the needy and destitute. Unfortunately, the Salvation Army won't assist everyone - only those they deem sufficiently worthy.

While many think of the group as just another charity, in truth the group is a religious sect that is notoriously anti-gay; you shouldn't give to the Salvation Army this holiday season if you support gay rights.

When a former boyfriend and I were homeless, the Salvation Army refused to help us unless we broke up and left the "sinful homosexual lifestyle" behind. We slept on the street and they didn't help when we declined to break up at their insistence. I've seen the discrimination the Salvation Army preaches first hand.


Need more examples? Check out the video after the jump for a laundry list of anti-gay policies and positions the Salvation Army has taken. You'll probably be shocked - and you definitely won't put any more coins in those big red buckets.


Why You Shouldn't Give to the Salvation Army This Holiday Season | The Bilerico Project

Perhaps you should list some non-religious groups that help the homeless. So that people who do not see homosexuality as a sin will know where to donate their money to if they want to help the homeless. Because that money is better in the hands of any group that helps the homeless instead actually giving money to homeless on the street.

 

[Zyphlin]

your perogative. and mine, not to give to that particular charity.

And absolutely no problem with you choosing to give or not give to a charity. However, depending on how you'd plan to "let them know why" I would possibly agree with apdst's assertion regarding that action. These people, and the organization, by and large are looking to help people. Do they help people the way you want? No. But that doesn't change that it does function to help people. Going out of your way to go into a long diatribe, or something more than "no thanks, I dislike some of your charities policies", about why you don't like them to one of the bellringers is just a rather jerkish thing to do. Becuase you don't like the way they choose to try and help people doesn't mean they should have to put up with someones political activism lecturing them and insulting them for something they likely have no care of as they just are out there wanting to help people.

I ABSOLUTELY agree, people should give to whatever charity they think they can support and that they think they're money will go to best serving a cause or helping a people they feel need it. However, there's no reason to make a big stink in public and towards the people on the ground towards a charity you don't like simply because you feel your opinion is so important that it MUST be shared with people.