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Why I've Decided Islam is Not a Peaceful Religion

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I've always winced when I've heard people say Islam and Muslims are not peaceful and that the religion itself breeds hate. I don't like to clump everyone into a negative stereotype like that. But the events in Africa and the Middle East have lead me to a new conclusion. Islam is not a peaceful religion. I saw a man say that the producer of the "film" should be tried in a Sharia Court and then executed. I've seen millions lash out over a short film, yet none...not one...Muslim has protested the deaths of innocent people. I'm sorry it has come to this, but my mind has been changed. Islam and Muslims are violent people and their actions against humanity should not be tolerated. I'm not calling for genocide, but the days of negotiation are over. Either they repent and repudiate the hatred and violence that permeates their religion and their people, or they will become outsiders in a world that gravitates towards peace and tolerance.
 
Sheesh, I'm an atheist who hates religion and even I don't tack the negative actions of a few Muslims onto the group as a whole.
 
ksu_aviator said:
I've always winced when I've heard people say Islam and Muslims are not peaceful and that the religion itself breeds hate. I don't like to clump everyone into a negative stereotype like that. But the events in Africa and the Middle East have lead me to a new conclusion. Islam is not a peaceful religion. I saw a man say that the producer of the "film" should be tried in a Sharia Court and then executed. I've seen millions lash out over a short film, yet none...not one...Muslim has protested the deaths of innocent people. I'm sorry it has come to this, but my mind has been changed. Islam and Muslims are violent people and their actions against humanity should not be tolerated. I'm not calling for genocide, but the days of negotiation are over. Either they repent and repudiate the hatred and violence that permeates their religion and their people, or they will become outsiders in a world that gravitates towards peace and tolerance.
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Well, Islam is a religion cobbled together by a warlord who was in the business of consolidating his power and needing a tool with which to expand his influence. In the early stages of his forming this new religion, his messages were mostly peaceful, but as his followers aggressed against more and more local tribes, his messages became more intolerant and hateful. His advice to followers on the correct way to decapitate their enemies came rather late in the process, for instance.

The way I see it, is that the followers of Islam have a choice, and this choice is much like the ones Christians can make. They can follow the peaceful aspects of their religion or seize upon the hateful. Christians have a similar choice, as they can follow Jesus' actual teachings or follow the more intolerant aspects of the O.T. or Paul.

The enemy here isn't Muslims per se, since there are modern Muslims who do select the peaceful aspects of their religion as their guide. The problem lies in dogmatism and an overly expressed sense of group identity, which are both very strong components of Islam. The true believer syndrome comes into play to a great degree in Islam, and so it is the level of zealotry that produces all the carnage rather than most of the actual beliefs.
 
ksu_aviator said:
I've always winced when I've heard people say Islam and Muslims are not peaceful and that the religion itself breeds hate.
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The religion itself doesn't breed hate. Some of the people who practice it are hateful, which could be said of virtually any religious group. The primary difference is that in Islamic countries, religion and government are inseparable, as opposed to countries where Christianity and Judaism are the majority religion (or Buddhism, Tao, etc....). In western societies, education outside of religious thought is valued and encouraged, which tends to moderate the religious inclinations toward a more reasonable level.

I would say that the majority of those who practice Islam are not violent, but they are heavily dominated by religious leaders, whom they live in fear of, so they remain the silent majority.
 
RadicalModerate said:
Sheesh, I'm an atheist who hates religion and even I don't tack the negative actions of a few Muslims onto the group as a whole.
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If it was just a few, I wouldn't have come to this conclusion.
 
RadicalModerate said:
Sheesh, I'm an atheist who hates religion and even I don't tack the negative actions of a few Muslims onto the group as a whole.
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People are confusing the religion with the religious culture - I think it's their religious culture over *there* that makes them that way . . . the ones in other nations around the world that have had serious issues and given up backlash are all from that same religious culture - they just moved and took it with them (immigrated, etc).

Because it's not happening in the US - I know several Islamists and none of them would behave in any such a way - EVER. They're not immersed in that religious culture - or they were and they decide they didn't like that religious culture. Tehy wanted the religion - not that same culture.

Because there are protests from those very people who are Islamists - do live amid that religious culture - and do not support any of these activities. they do want peace with their faith and they're enraged and humiliated that there's a large group of their own who don't see it the same way.

So no - it's not the religion - it's certain types of cultural immersion that tend to go with it but it's not like every single one of them IS that way and WILL be always like that - how absurd to think so.

Only a blind ignorant dip**** would think so.
 
ksu_aviator said:
I've always winced when I've heard people say Islam and Muslims are not peaceful and that the religion itself breeds hate. I don't like to clump everyone into a negative stereotype like that. But the events in Africa and the Middle East have lead me to a new conclusion. Islam is not a peaceful religion. I saw a man say that the producer of the "film" should be tried in a Sharia Court and then executed. I've seen millions lash out over a short film, yet none...not one...Muslim has protested the deaths of innocent people. I'm sorry it has come to this, but my mind has been changed. Islam and Muslims are violent people and their actions against humanity should not be tolerated. I'm not calling for genocide, but the days of negotiation are over. Either they repent and repudiate the hatred and violence that permeates their religion and their people, or they will become outsiders in a world that gravitates towards peace and tolerance.
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You took the Red Pill. .Welcome to the Desert of the REal.
 
RadicalModerate said:
Sheesh, I'm an atheist who hates religion and even I don't tack the negative actions of a few Muslims onto the group as a whole.
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then you shouldn't have replied and therefore subjected yourself to looking foolish here ^^^
 
4Horsemen said:
then you shouldn't have replied and therefore subjected yourself to looking foolish here ^^^
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He doesn't look foolish - he looks quite intelligent and bold for having a brain in his head and being capable of seeing reality when everyone else seems to want to just find poison in every clean cup.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Because it's not happening in the US - I know several Islamists and none of them would behave in any such a way - EVER..
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Are you meaning "Islamists" or Muslims?

Islamists are the ones who ARE immersed in the intolerant religious culture, who are totalitarian in outlook and who are seeking to expand the political reach of their religion.
 
Gardener said:
Are you meaning "Islamists" or Muslims?

Islamists are the ones who ARE immersed in the intolerant religious culture, who are totalitarian in outlook and who are seeking to expand the political reach of their religion.
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No - don't pull out that guise of ignorance over terminology now.
 
ksu_aviator said:
I've always winced when I've heard people say Islam and Muslims are not peaceful and that the religion itself breeds hate. I don't like to clump everyone into a negative stereotype like that. But the events in Africa and the Middle East have lead me to a new conclusion. Islam is not a peaceful religion. I saw a man say that the producer of the "film" should be tried in a Sharia Court and then executed. I've seen millions lash out over a short film, yet none...not one...Muslim has protested the deaths of innocent people. I'm sorry it has come to this, but my mind has been changed. Islam and Muslims are violent people and their actions against humanity should not be tolerated. I'm not calling for genocide, but the days of negotiation are over. Either they repent and repudiate the hatred and violence that permeates their religion and their people, or they will become outsiders in a world that gravitates towards peace and tolerance.
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Don't you find it curious that a stupid privately financed movie leads to violent demonstrations and deaths throught the Muslim world, yet the murders of thousands of Muslims in Syria draws nary a protest at a Syrian embassy anywhere?

It demonstrates to me a bizarre philosophy that can only be based on a warped religious view of the world.
 
 
RadicalModerate said:
Sheesh, I'm an atheist who hates religion and even I don't tack the negative actions of a few Muslims onto the group as a whole.
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A'few' Muslims? What is your definition of 'a few'?
 
I see violence in Africa amount third world Christians blowing up mosque and Muslims blowing up churches, yet aside from the terrorist attack here and there, the developed world doesnt really see religious violence.

What I am saying is poor people, in third world countries are much more inciteable to violence than the developed world so this is about class not religion. If the economy in America reached 40% unemployment I assure you we would have a sharp increase in Christian fundamentalist violence.
 
Wiggen said:
Good to know that Amercan Muslims are opposed to other Muslims murdering Americans. Now if we could only get that philosophy to spread to the rest of the world.
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It'll never happend because the soft-shoe Muslims in America are trying to promote a pacified peaceful persona of the bloody cult of Islam. but fortunatley people are waking up to the facade and not going for it.

The murdering of infidels is something they MUST do. it's a goal of Islam. so to think for a second that they come in peace, one is not thinking clearly.
 
hikari said:
If the economy in America reached 40% unemployment I assure you we would have a sharp increase in Christian fundamentalist violence.
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I seriously doubt it would be Christian fundamentalist in nature, but more likely one of economics.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
No - don't pull out that guise of ignorance over terminology now.
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I'm not sure what you are trying to say there.

I am certainly not ignorant on the matter, so what are you trying to say.
 
Originally Posted by hikari
If the economy in America reached 40% unemployment I assure you we would have a sharp increase in Christian fundamentalist violence.
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Not before a major push for Sharia Law.
 
hikari said:
I see violence in Africa amount third world Christians blowing up mosque and Muslims blowing up churches, yet aside from the terrorist attack here and there, the developed world doesnt really see religious violence.

What I am saying is poor people, in third world countries are much more inciteable to violence than the developed world so this is about class not religion. If the economy in America reached 40% unemployment I assure you we would have a sharp increase in Christian fundamentalist violence.
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Silly statement and claim, impossible to prove. And I would love to see some links about Christian mobs blowing up mosques.
 
ksu_aviator said:
I've always winced when I've heard people say Islam and Muslims are not peaceful and that the religion itself breeds hate. I don't like to clump everyone into a negative stereotype like that. But the events in Africa and the Middle East have lead me to a new conclusion. Islam is not a peaceful religion. I saw a man say that the producer of the "film" should be tried in a Sharia Court and then executed. I've seen millions lash out over a short film, yet none...not one...Muslim has protested the deaths of innocent people. I'm sorry it has come to this, but my mind has been changed. Islam and Muslims are violent people and their actions against humanity should not be tolerated. I'm not calling for genocide, but the days of negotiation are over. Either they repent and repudiate the hatred and violence that permeates their religion and their people, or they will become outsiders in a world that gravitates towards peace and tolerance.
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Gotta get up pretty early in the morning to pull the wool over your eyes.:roll:
 
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