Why is the average firearm owner, an unsafe gun owner? (1 Viewer)

[rahl]

Don't worry, jaeger is a self professed doctor. He claims to know things about suicide and mental health

Give me a "like" if you believe his claims.

But does he post, copy it, delete it, and then repost it in a ****ing hilariously pathetic attempt to be the last poster in the thread?

 

[RF667799]

Anyone who stores ammo separately from firearms is an idiot.

I disagree as strongly with that as I do with the proposition that anyone who stores ammo together with firearms is an idiot.

People can have their own reasons for doing what they want as long as they aren't harming others.

To be effective, a firearm must be in reach with a chambered round. Biometric (fingerprint) lockboxes are ideal for keeping a handgun ready and close.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I don't know about that, if anything that just seems like a very silly idea. I mean heck, the military listens to the civilian leadership if anyone is armed it's them.

Your arguments is nonsensical. The military does not operate domestically, they exist to repel foreign invasion. They are specifically enjoined from engaging in civilian affairs through Posse Comitatus.

The left seeks to disarm the civilian population because the armed populace holds greater power through sheer numbers than those who seek to rule by force.

An armed populace cannot be ruled.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I disagree as strongly with that as I do with the proposition that anyone who stores ammo together with firearms is an idiot.

Then you are one who claims that firearms cannot be used for self-defense.

People can have their own reasons for doing what they want as long as they aren't harming others.

Again, an unloaded firearm provides no defense capability. It is worthless. Should cars and gasoline be stored separately?

 

[RF667799]

Then you are one who claims that firearms cannot be used for self-defense.

I challenge you to provide a single example of me taking that position.

Again, an unloaded firearm provides no defense capability. It is worthless. Should cars and gasoline be stored separately?

Strawmen won't distract from my statement. Store and use your firearms as you like, but understand your practices don't set a standard for anyone else.

 

[jaeger19]

I challenge you to provide a single example of me taking that position.




Strawmen won't distract from my statement. Store and use your firearms as you like, but understand your practices don't set a standard for anyone else.

It’s always easy to tell those that do t know much about firearms.

If I stored all my shotgun ammo in the safe where I keep my shotguns? I’d have no room for the shotguns.

Apparently this fellow never met a skeet, trap or sporting clays shooter.

 

[poppopfox]

except those stories published by the NRA can be fact checked .... the anti-gun site is opinion

Sure! Now prove it.

Btw, there are no anti-gun sites. There are pro gun regulation advocacy groups which support basic human rights. And they use approved scientific research methodology to reach their published conclusions.

 

[poppopfox]

More lies. The fact that the only time your “source” gives credit for self defend is when a woman kills somebody tells me all I need to know about their manipulation of statistics.

A closed mind is typical of those who defend their addictive behaviors, it's like living inside a cocoon.

I never hide my sources.

Yet you make false accusations that others do? Sad,

 

[poppopfox]

Another alternative is a Chinese assault weapon modified with a higher than standard capacity magazine.

 

[RF667799]

Sure! Now prove it.

Btw, there are no anti-gun sites. There are pro gun regulation advocacy groups which support basic human rights. And they use approved scientific research methodology to reach their published conclusions.

Sure! Now prove it.

 

[RF667799]

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How is that a red herring, when self defense is exactly your reason for purchasing it?

 

[poppopfox]

So you agree that some kind of defensive protection is prudent? Yes or no?

Loaded question. I enjoy the companionship of my dogs, and I prefer the large breeds that I take in from the local shelter. The fact that their size and demeanor can keep folks with bad intentions away is just one plus. There are many others.

Or that people don't have to defend themselves at all. Which I guess is true. Is that what you mean?

Another loaded question. Not going there.

Please let me know which of the above I should follow up with.

How about following up with an honest, open-ended question?

 

[stealthycat]

Sure! Now prove it.

Btw, there are no anti-gun sites. There are pro gun regulation advocacy groups which support basic human rights. And they use approved scientific research methodology to reach their published conclusions.

that's funny stuff right there !!


a Right is what the US Constitution grants me as a citizen .... and the 2nd is clear. I also have a Right to defend myself in the USA, the Constitution and SC ruling have over and over shown guns are my Right to use

don't talk Rights to me unless you're really serious about them

 

[Rich2018]

He's not a doctor, he's a medical professional. I should ask his opinion on vaccines too.

Like Trump suggesting that COVID might be treated by injecting disinfectant into the body ?

Coronavirus: Outcry after Trump suggests injecting disinfectant as treatment

Doctors call the president's latest remarks about coronavirus treatment "dangerous" and "ridiculous".

www.bbc.com

 

[RF667799]

Like Trump suggesting that COVID might be treated by injecting disinfectant into the body ?

Coronavirus: Outcry after Trump suggests injecting disinfectant as treatment

Doctors call the president's latest remarks about coronavirus treatment "dangerous" and "ridiculous".

www.bbc.com

Cite?

Relevance?

 

[smb3802]

There's no easy way to say this but the average gun owner in the US is not safe with their guns. Or at least, a large minority of American gun owners are not able safe with their firearms owners. Despite having millions of guns in the country, the average gun owner is not safe with them. What I mean by gun owners are not safe is three separate things;

1. They do not store their firearms safely. It's estimated more than half of gun owners do not properly store their firearms in a locked safe when not in use.

Survey: More Than Half of U.S. Gun Owners Do Not Safely Store Their Guns | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

More than half of gun owners do not safely store all their guns, according to a new survey of 1,444 U.S. gun owners conducted by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

publichealth.jhu.edu

2. They do not store their ammo separately from their firearms when not in use. Almost half of gun owners do not keep their ammo separate from their firearms when not in use.

43% of U.S. Households Store Loaded Guns

About half of U.S. households that keep their firearms loaded do not store them in locked containers, a new CDC study found.

www.campussafetymagazine.com

3. They do not understand the actual risks of owning firearms. The simple fact of the matter is you're more likely to die if you have a firearm in the household than if you don't. Those who think that guns are used for personal defense against an intruder don't seem to realize they're more likely to die from an intimate partner killing them with a firearm.

Owning Guns Puts People in Your Home at Greater Risk of Being Killed, New Study Shows

A new study shows that people living in homes with guns face substantially higher risks of being fatally assaulted.

time.com

While these are simple examples, the thing is that I don't think I've met a single person here on DP that knows and takes into all three of these points. That's the thing, I'm safely using firearms by not having any in my household. That being said I want to know why does the average gun owner think they're safe with firearms, when there's a good chance they are not actually safe with their firearms?

Most people buy guns to use as toys. That's why.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I challenge you to provide a single example of me taking that position.

By demanding that firearms be kept unloaded and away from ammo. This renders use impossible. Unless you are suggesting people throw them at attackers.

Strawmen won't distract from my statement. Store and use your firearms as you like, but understand your practices don't set a standard for anyone else.

Once again, an unloaded firearm provides no defense capability. It is worthless. Should cars and gasoline be stored separately?

 

[Uncensored2008]

It’s always easy to tell those that do t know much about firearms.

They post stupid things such as "store ammo separately?"

If I stored all my shotgun ammo in the safe where I keep my shotguns? I’d have no room for the shotguns.

And if you store none of your shotgun shells in the safe, the shotgun is nothing but a club.

Apparently this fellow never met a skeet, trap or sporting clays shooter.

What an odd statement.

Trap is fun, the zones in skeet annoy me.

 

[RF667799]

By demanding that firearms be kept unloaded and away from ammo. This renders use impossible. Unless you are suggesting people throw them at attackers.



Once again, an unloaded firearm provides no defense capability. It is worthless. Should cars and gasoline be stored separately?

I've made no such demands.

I in fact store some gas separately from my car and truck.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Like Trump suggesting that COVID might be treated by injecting disinfectant into the body ?

Coronavirus: Outcry after Trump suggests injecting disinfectant as treatment

Doctors call the president's latest remarks about coronavirus treatment "dangerous" and "ridiculous".

www.bbc.com

Lying must be so fun - I mean leftists do it so much it must be...

Trump Didn't Tell People to 'Inject Bleach' for COVID-19. But Here's What He Did Say

Trump's confusing remarks near the start of the coronavirus pandemic were revived during the 2024 presidential campaign.

www.snopes.com

When even far left Snopes says you're lying - you're lying.

 

[RF667799]

Most people buy guns to use as toys. That's why.

I don't think you can support such a claim and bring it to a rational conclusion in the context of the thread.

Feel free to keep talking and prove me right.

 

[smb3802]

I don't think you can support such a claim and bring it to a rational conclusion in the context of the thread.

Feel free to keep talking and prove me right.

How are most gun purchases not purchased as toys?

 

[WilHaftaWaite]

Sure! Now prove it.

Btw, there are no anti-gun sites. There are pro gun regulation advocacy groups which support basic human rights. And they use approved scientific research methodology to reach their published conclusions.

 

[RF667799]

How are most gun purchases not purchased as toys?

Your job is to support your claim that they are. You'll need to define and substantiate to do that. So far, you're failing.

 

[Rich2018]

Most people buy guns to use as toys. That's why.

Sadly, most gun owners view them as such.