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Why is the average firearm owner, an unsafe gun owner?

smb3802 said:
Nope just calling a spade a spade. Most guns purchased in the U.S. are toys.
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Do you use that term to describe everything that can be used for recreational purposes? Do you "call a spade a spade" and note that your car is a toy?
 
smb3802 said:
Most people buy guns to use as toys. That's why.
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Right but still, I wonder if there is something more to it than that. I refuse to believe so many firearm owners would not be responsible with firearms. It doesn't make any sense to me.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Your arguments is nonsensical. The military does not operate domestically, they exist to repel foreign invasion. They are specifically enjoined from engaging in civilian affairs through Posse Comitatus.

The left seeks to disarm the civilian population because the armed populace holds greater power through sheer numbers than those who seek to rule by force.

An armed populace cannot be ruled.
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Did you just seriously say the military does not operate domestically?
 
Scatty Kitty said:
Right but still, I wonder if there is something more to it than that. I refuse to believe so many firearm owners would not be responsible with firearms. It doesn't make any sense to me.
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Maybe it doesn't make sense because it's your own invention flying in the face of reality.
 
Scatty Kitty said:
Right but still, I wonder if there is something more to it than that. I refuse to believe so many firearm owners would not be responsible with firearms. It doesn't make any sense to me.
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What do you consider "irresponsible?" And I didnt see your data include that as a reason for gun crime or deaths.
 
RF667799 said:
Do you use that term to describe everything that can be used for recreational purposes? Do you "call a spade a spade" and note that your car is a toy?
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Some cars are toys some are tools. My truck is tool. My outback is a toy. Depends upon what I use them for. A farmer hauling hay on a quad has a tool to haul. Some yahoo jumping dunes in a quad has a toy. Not too difficult to understand. It is also clear that people treat their tools generally better than they treat their toys. That is unless the toy is for looks. Hence most gun owners don't take proper safety precautions because their guns are toys.
 
smb3802 said:
Some cars are toys some are tools. My truck is tool. My outback is a toy. Depends upon what I use them for. A farmer hauling hay on a quad has a tool to haul. Some yahoo jumping dunes in a quad has a toy. Not too difficult to understand. It is also clear that people treat their tools generally better than they treat their toys. That is unless the toy is for looks. Hence most gun owners don't take proper safety precautions because their guns are toys.
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Circular nonsense.
 
smb3802 said:
The purpose of the thread. Why is the average gun owner unsafe...because their gun is a toy.
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That makes no sense whatsoever.
For most people boats are toys. Does that make the average boat owner unsafe.?
For most people motorcycles are toys. Does that mean motorcycle owners are unsafe?
Pools and pool owners?
Utvs and utv owners?
Snowmobiles and snowmobile owners!
The list of potentially dangerous “ toys” goes on and on.

Please explain your rationale why the average owner of these toys are unsafe.
 
phoenix2020 said:
An interesting implication here is that if you take all the deaths and injuries per year, and multiply that by average life expectancy, you end up with an interesting metric: on average 4% all of people living in the US will either die to a firearm or suffer a non-fatal firearm injury at least once in their lifetime.

That’s rather stunning.
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I myself "suffer[ed] a non-fatal firearm injury" just the other day. Let go of the slide at the wrong time with my finger in the wrong place and the edge of the ejection port sliced my finger wide open. I needed two Band-Aids!
 
smb3802 said:
Some cars are toys some are tools. My truck is tool. My outback is a toy. Depends upon what I use them for. A farmer hauling hay on a quad has a tool to haul. Some yahoo jumping dunes in a quad has a toy. Not too difficult to understand. It is also clear that people treat their tools generally better than they treat their toys. That is unless the toy is for looks. Hence most gun owners don't take proper safety precautions because their guns are toys.
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You know how many farmers who use Atvs to haul hay get injured because they aren’t wearing a helmet vs a “ Atv “ toy owner “ wearing the proper helmet and riding gear?

Come now.
 
RF667799 said:
Maybe it doesn't make sense because it's your own invention flying in the face of reality.
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Well seeing as how a mass shooting just happened because a person had access to someone else's firearm, I'm pretty okay saying that gun owners don't properly take care of their firearms. I wonder if the police officer who originally owned the gun kept the gun in their nightstand, or locked up.
 
Scatty Kitty said:
There's no easy way to say this but the average gun owner in the US is not safe with their guns. Or at least, a large minority of American gun owners are not able safe with their firearms owners. Despite having millions of guns in the country, the average gun owner is not safe with them. What I mean by gun owners are not safe is three separate things;

1. They do not store their firearms safely. It's estimated more than half of gun owners do not properly store their firearms in a locked safe when not in use.

Survey: More Than Half of U.S. Gun Owners Do Not Safely Store Their Guns | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

More than half of gun owners do not safely store all their guns, according to a new survey of 1,444 U.S. gun owners conducted by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.
publichealth.jhu.edu publichealth.jhu.edu

2. They do not store their ammo separately from their firearms when not in use. Almost half of gun owners do not keep their ammo separate from their firearms when not in use.
www.campussafetymagazine.com

43% of U.S. Households Store Loaded Guns

About half of U.S. households that keep their firearms loaded do not store them in locked containers, a new CDC study found.
www.campussafetymagazine.com www.campussafetymagazine.com

3. They do not understand the actual risks of owning firearms. The simple fact of the matter is you're more likely to die if you have a firearm in the household than if you don't. Those who think that guns are used for personal defense against an intruder don't seem to realize they're more likely to die from an intimate partner killing them with a firearm.
time.com

Owning Guns Puts People in Your Home at Greater Risk of Being Killed, New Study Shows

A new study shows that people living in homes with guns face substantially higher risks of being fatally assaulted.
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While these are simple examples, the thing is that I don't think I've met a single person here on DP that knows and takes into all three of these points. That's the thing, I'm safely using firearms by not having any in my household. That being said I want to know why does the average gun owner think they're safe with firearms, when there's a good chance they are not actually safe with their firearms?
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Considering the percentage of population who owns guns, this OP is most certainly in error.

Maybe you should focus on car owners instead. This is the true tragedy. Almost everything we calls an "accident" is because a person was irresponsible with a car.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Considering the percentage of population who owns guns, this OP is most certainly in error.

Maybe you should focus on car owners instead. This is the true tragedy. Almost everything we calls an "accident" is because a person was irresponsible with a car.
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It's been steadily around 30-40%. I believe we're around 35% of the population now are firearm owners. So we're looking around 20% are irresponsible with their firearms. That's a pretty serious threat to national safety if that many firearm owners are unsafe with guns.
 
EdwinWillers said:
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I know that for a fact - inasmuch as I've seen both photos and the actual indoor ranges personally here in Denver.
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We didn't bring our guns in high school in the 70's, but they were not removed from gun racks in puckups that parked at the school.
 
EdwinWillers said:
With all due respect, you haven't the slightest clue who here on DP owns guns, let alone how, or what they know about gun safety.

Frankly, it's insulting to have someone like you presume to know what you've claimed here about gun owners on DP. You've been here what, less than a year and a half?

Moreover, your bias against guns is CLEARLY the motive for this thread - and nothing else.

You "safely use firearms by not having any in your household." Profound, simply profound.
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Just repeating the liberal liberal dogma, like all good cult-like indoctrinates do.
 
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