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Why is the average firearm owner, an unsafe gun owner? (1 Viewer)

Scatty Kitty said:
Or we can realize that if a right makes us less human and actively hurts us, we can get rid of it or change it.
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we'd have to conquer other nations to impose our way of life onto them

they don't do it willingly you know, religions and govt's and all
 
Scatty Kitty said:
An ordinal variable implies magnitude without a specific scale. Small medium and large for example.

Have a good day.
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Oh awesome.lmao.

Now explain how suicide is an ordinal scale .
“ small suicide, medium suicide or large suicide”???
lol.
 
stealthycat said:
not many can defend themselves against a big violent criminal who's going to have a weapon

certainly not women, and not many men

a gun is the great equalizer
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A Deadly Myth Women, Handguns, and Self-Defense
Despite the promises of gun-industry advertising, a woman is far more likely to be the victim of a handgun homicide than to use a handgun in a justifiable homicide. In 1998, handguns were used to murder 1,209 women.8 That same year, 12 women used handguns to kill in self-defense.
  • Counterarguments:
      • Critics argue that the presence of guns can escalate violence and that relying on firearms for self-defense can be a dangerous and ineffective strategy.
      • They also point out that gun ownership can lead to accidental shootings, suicides, and increased rates of gun violence.
    • Alternative Perspectives:
        • Some people believe that education, economic opportunity, and social justice are the true "great equalizers" that can lead to a more just and equitable society.
        • Others argue that the ability to defend oneself starts and ends with courage and character, not with the possession of a weapon. (GoogleAI)
Here's another -

“Death is the great equalizer of human beings. Death is the boundary that we need to measure the precious texture of our lives. All people owe a death. There is no use vexing about inevitable degeneration and death because far greater people than me succumbed to death’s endless sleep without living as many years as me.”​

― Kilroy J. Oldster, Dead Toad Scrolls
 
poppopfox said:
A Deadly Myth Women, Handguns, and Self-Defense
Despite the promises of gun-industry advertising, a woman is far more likely to be the victim of a handgun homicide than to use a handgun in a justifiable homicide. In 1998, handguns were used to murder 1,209 women.8 That same year, 12 women used handguns to kill in self-defense.
  • Counterarguments:
      • Critics argue that the presence of guns can escalate violence and that relying on firearms for self-defense can be a dangerous and ineffective strategy.
      • They also point out that gun ownership can lead to accidental shootings, suicides, and increased rates of gun violence.
    • Alternative Perspectives:
        • Some people believe that education, economic opportunity, and social justice are the true "great equalizers" that can lead to a more just and equitable society.
        • Others argue that the ability to defend oneself starts and ends with courage and character, not with the possession of a weapon. (GoogleAI)
Here's another -

“Death is the great equalizer of human beings. Death is the boundary that we need to measure the precious texture of our lives. All people owe a death. There is no use vexing about inevitable degeneration and death because far greater people than me succumbed to death’s endless sleep without living as many years as me.”​

― Kilroy J. Oldster, Dead Toad Scrolls
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using anti-gun website to make a point ?

tsk tsk
 
poppopfox said:
A Deadly Myth Women, Handguns, and Self-Defense
Despite the promises of gun-industry advertising, a woman is far more likely to be the victim of a handgun homicide than to use a handgun in a justifiable homicide. In 1998, handguns were used to murder 1,209 women.8 That same year, 12 women used handguns to kill in self-defense.
  • Counterarguments:
      • Critics argue that the presence of guns can escalate violence and that relying on firearms for self-defense can be a dangerous and ineffective strategy.
      • They also point out that gun ownership can lead to accidental shootings, suicides, and increased rates of gun violence.
    • Alternative Perspectives:
        • Some people believe that education, economic opportunity, and social justice are the true "great equalizers" that can lead to a more just and equitable society.
        • Others argue that the ability to defend oneself starts and ends with courage and character, not with the possession of a weapon. (GoogleAI)
Here's another -

“Death is the great equalizer of human beings. Death is the boundary that we need to measure the precious texture of our lives. All people owe a death. There is no use vexing about inevitable degeneration and death because far greater people than me succumbed to death’s endless sleep without living as many years as me.”​

― Kilroy J. Oldster, Dead Toad Scrolls
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Women are far more likley to be beaten up by men and their fists than they are disabling a male attacker with their fists.

According to your logic, there should be no self defense classes for women.

Please explain your rationale.
 
stealthycat said:
using anti-gun website to make a point ?

tsk tsk
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I love how he tries to hide the link.

VPC is one of the most hypocritical of the gun control organizations. Not only is Josh Sugarmann the one who came up with the “assault weapons” lie, he is also one of only four (4) Federal Firearms Licensees in the District of Columbia.

Why does the executive director of a gun control organization need a current FFL? He has had it for years and keeps renewing it. It is an FFL 01 which is a dealer FFL.

The quote:
“Assault weapons—just like armor-piercing bullets, machine guns, and plastic firearms—are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons.”

FFL list from ATF:

Federal Firearms Listings | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

www.atf.gov www.atf.gov
 
poppopfox said:
A Deadly Myth Women, Handguns, and Self-Defense
Despite the promises of gun-industry advertising, a woman is far more likely to be the victim of a handgun homicide than to use a handgun in a justifiable homicide. In 1998, handguns were used to murder 1,209 women.8 That same year, 12 women used handguns to kill in self-defense.
  • Counterarguments:
      • Critics argue that the presence of guns can escalate violence and that relying on firearms for self-defense can be a dangerous and ineffective strategy.
      • They also point out that gun ownership can lead to accidental shootings, suicides, and increased rates of gun violence.
    • Alternative Perspectives:
        • Some people believe that education, economic opportunity, and social justice are the true "great equalizers" that can lead to a more just and equitable society.
        • Others argue that the ability to defend oneself starts and ends with courage and character, not with the possession of a weapon. (GoogleAI)
Here's another -

“Death is the great equalizer of human beings. Death is the boundary that we need to measure the precious texture of our lives. All people owe a death. There is no use vexing about inevitable degeneration and death because far greater people than me succumbed to death’s endless sleep without living as many years as me.”​

― Kilroy J. Oldster, Dead Toad Scrolls
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www.nraila.org

NRA-ILA | Armed Citizen®

Collection of armed citizens exercising their right to self-defense.
www.nraila.org www.nraila.org

497 pages of people using guns for self defense
 
poppopfox said:
A Deadly Myth Women, Handguns, and Self-Defense
Despite the promises of gun-industry advertising, a woman is far more likely to be the victim of a handgun homicide than to use a handgun in a justifiable homicide. In 1998, handguns were used to murder 1,209 women.8 That same year, 12 women used handguns to kill in self-defense.
  • Counterarguments:
      • Critics argue that the presence of guns can escalate violence and that relying on firearms for self-defense can be a dangerous and ineffective strategy.
      • They also point out that gun ownership can lead to accidental shootings, suicides, and increased rates of gun violence.
    • Alternative Perspectives:
        • Some people believe that education, economic opportunity, and social justice are the true "great equalizers" that can lead to a more just and equitable society.
        • Others argue that the ability to defend oneself starts and ends with courage and character, not with the possession of a weapon. (GoogleAI)
Here's another -

“Death is the great equalizer of human beings. Death is the boundary that we need to measure the precious texture of our lives. All people owe a death. There is no use vexing about inevitable degeneration and death because far greater people than me succumbed to death’s endless sleep without living as many years as me.”​

― Kilroy J. Oldster, Dead Toad Scrolls
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No arguments of your own.
 
RF667799 said:
No arguments of your own.
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I also noted that his “source” only counts a gun being used defensively if the woman kills her attacker. And the data is almost 30 years old.

“In 1998, handguns were used to murder 1,209 women. That same year, 12 women used handguns to kill in self-defense.”

You can always rely on the gun control crowd to post dishonestly.
 
poppopfox said:
A gun can be wrestled away and used against the owner. Can the same be said about a dog? :unsure:
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Can you please answer my question? So can a knife, a bat, etc. A dog can be shot, stabbed, poisoned. So it seems you had no point here.
 
stealthycat said:
you do too - you said it was awesome that before a crime was committed the police arrested and stopped a would be killer
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And so it was

But that's million miles from then imprisoning him with trial - which is what you would do in your authoritarian world

That quote again: "Mentally ill people are NOT innocent"

Stalin would be proud of you and your GULAG politics

Sorry but still a hard pass from me comrade.
 
Rich2018 said:
And so it was

But that's million miles from then imprisoning him with trial - which is what you would do in your authoritarian world
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Trials are an indication of authoritarianism? I thought you were advocating due process.

Rich2018 said:
That quote again: "Mentally ill people are NOT innocent"

Stalin would be proud of you and your GULAG politics

Sorry but still a hard pass from me comrade.
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Rich2018 said:
And so it was

But that's million miles from then imprisoning him with trial - which is what you would do in your authoritarian world
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no no .... I NEVER said they wouldn't get trials or their days in court, did I ? you said that, I never did. I said lock them away from harming people before they mass murder and that's the example I gave and you hated it - and now you agree

hypocritical

Rich2018 said:
That quote again: "Mentally ill people are NOT innocent"
Stalin would be proud of you and your GULAG politics
Sorry but still a hard pass from me comrade.
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wasn't my quote, has nothing to do with me
 
Lursa said:
Can you please answer my question? So can a knife, a bat, etc. A dog can be shot, stabbed, poisoned. So it seems you had no point here.
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poppopfox said:
You can't defend yourself without a gun? Then I suggest a large breed dog to fight your battles for you!
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Your question - "Why should he have to?"

My answer - He doesn't "have to". I suggested just one alternative to self protection in the home. Also works quite well when out in public.

Mom arrested for bringing gun to school for confrontation with lesbian teacher

Kinda difficult to conceal carry a dog, no? ;)
 
poppopfox said:
You can't defend yourself without a gun? Then I suggest a large breed dog to fight your battles for you! :giggle:
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poppopfox said:
Your question - "Why should he have to?"

My answer - He doesn't "have to". I suggested just one alternative to self protection in the home. Also works quite well when out in public.
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So you agree that some kind of defensive protection is prudent? Yes or no?

Or that people dont have to defend themselves at all. Which I guess is true. Is that what you mean?

Please let me know which of the above I should follow up with.
 
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