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Why is the average firearm owner, an unsafe gun owner? (2 Viewers)

Of course they can . Millions are used every day safely.
Unlike alcohol.

She avoids the mathematics that proves her premise wrong. And of course, supplies none of her own in rebuttal, instead favoring circular arguments and obfuscation.
 
Still baseless and unfounded. Pure regurgitated connections you have been unable to support.

So you don't like that I'm quoting an actual problem doctors had with talking to gun owners where I specifically mention water safety
 
So you don't like that I'm quoting an actual problem doctors had with talking to gun owners where I specifically mention water safety

I still absolutely dont accept that analogy and I've explained a million times why. People dont "need" to understand "clean drinking water" for home security.

I made a clear distinction in post 971 that you ignored. Please address the bold in that post before going on further. I'm not discussing further until you do because IMO the "gap" is on your part, not mine. Address it and prove it's not.
 
For every million used safely... another million is used unsafely. Source 1.

Imagine being a medical professional who doesn't think about how their patients need to be safe in the home.
Skatty's Medical Professional:

"After picking up your antibiotics at CVC, remember to check your sidewalks for cracks that might trip up a roller skater. I'll be quizzing you at your next office call."
 
Water Safety:

Remember to don a PFD before opening a tap. The possibility it might break and flood the house is not zero.
 
For every million used safely... another million is used unsafely. Source 1.

Imagine being a medical professional who doesn't think about how their patients need to be safe in the home.
Only if you go by the bs safety standard created by a bunch of gun control zealots. In the real world not so much.
 
I don't have to, we already know the stats. The stats have been done multiple times. You're more likely to die from a firearm than use one for self defense.
That is because your side discounts any use of a firearm for self defense that does not end up with the attacker being killed. In other words, your side lies.
 
She avoids the mathematics that proves her premise wrong. And of course, supplies none of her own in rebuttal, instead favoring circular arguments and obfuscation.

Hers makes no sense at all. If a person doesnt like or accept the water quality their public works supplies for them...they are welcome to provide their own sources for the home. And there are many ways to do that.

Choices, based on individual risks and circumstances, just like I wrote in my very first posts.
 
I think you're person 4/5 who didn't bother to read the OP because the OP already answers that. I've said it multiple times. Source 3.
Yeah source 3 does not calculate the defensive use of guns.

And if you bother to read the actual study you will find that the group of gun owners studied had higher levels of NON firearm related assault and higher levels of substance abuse , and criminality.

I other words the study was skewed due to selection bias.
 
For every million used safely... another million is used unsafely. Source 1.

Imagine being a medical professional who doesn't think about how their patients need to be safe in the home.
Not true at all. Source one in no way says that.
Unless you can come up with some 40 million gun accidents per year.
But you can’t.

2. Do you have consumable alcohol in your house?
If you do and consume it , then as a medical professional I can tell you you are being unsafe.

Unlike having a firearm.
 
She avoids the mathematics that proves her premise wrong. And of course, supplies none of her own in rebuttal, instead favoring circular arguments and obfuscation.
But of course, it’s all the poster has.
Anti gunners debate on this forum believing their own emotional beliefs and it bothers them when their emotion gets trampled by facts.
 
But of course, it’s all the poster has.
Anti gunners debate on this forum believing their own emotional beliefs and it bothers them when their emotion gets trampled by facts.

It bothers them so much, they often fall headlong into bad faith, dishonest posting. Even to the extent of one poster here who scarcely does anything except try to derail threads into rabbit holes.
 
It bothers them so much, they often fall headlong into bad faith, dishonest posting. Even to the extent of one poster here who scarcely does anything except try to derail threads into rabbit holes.
I got a kick out of the poster that brought up California to support his argument.
Then got proven wrong about California.
Then claimed it was stupid for the person who proved him wrong to post about California.

I guess when you debate so dishonestly it’s hard to keep your lies straight.
 
The constitution is just how we think is one way to be human. But it's rather limited in what is considered human and how to be human.

the Constitution of the USA is for 330,000,000 USA citizens

the other 6.7 Billion people on the planet live under different rights

that's the way it is
 
Awesome that the police stopped him.
that's what we need to do - stop people before they commit horrible crimes, before they are convicted, I agree.

Contemptible that he was incarcerated without ever being convicted of a crime
and then you turn around and totally disrespect and trash them stopping a mass murder

make up you mind, good gawd

We know that you approve of his incarceration, you want to incarcerate all those "known" to be violent/mentally ill, without them ever being convicted of a crime
yes, I'd have stepped in and stopped 9-11, Timothy McVeigh, I'd have stopped Columbine and the Mandalay/Vegas murders, I'd have stopped as many of them as possible by catching these violent people BEFORE they acted and said hey, you've done this ,this ,this ,this and this ...... all clearly indicative that you're going to be violent/kill people and we're going to stop you first

The politics of the GULAG
Sorry comrade, but that's a huge pass from me.


you hate stopping people from committing violent acts, you don't like stopping murders from happening etc - I know, you've been clear.
 
the Constitution of the USA is for 330,000,000 USA citizens

the other 6.7 Billion people on the planet live under different rights

that's the way it is

Just because something is the way it is, doesn't mean that it has to be that way.
 
Not true at all. Source one in no way says that.
Unless you can come up with some 40 million gun accidents per year.
But you can’t.

2. Do you have consumable alcohol in your house?
If you do and consume it , then as a medical professional I can tell you you are being unsafe.

Unlike having a firearm.

I already did. Source 3 in the OP. And all of the other sources I've cited that say that. Seriously, you didn't even bother to look at the sources I cite. I cited yours when it showed you were terribly wrong and misquoting it.
 
Just because something is the way it is, doesn't mean that it has to be that way.
Very true. People around the world could realize that gun control doesn’t work. That it’s truly a waste of resources that should be put into education, alleviating poverty , improved healthcare etc.
 
Yeah source 3 does not calculate the defensive use of guns.

And if you bother to read the actual study you will find that the group of gun owners studied had higher levels of NON firearm related assault and higher levels of substance abuse , and criminality.

I other words the study was skewed due to selection bias.

So you're telling me that gun owners are not being responsible with firearms because they're not using them responsibly because they're using them in connection with assault, substance abuse and criminality?

Also I would safely say these parts are all related to the defensive use of guns:

"Study findings in one other area were noteworthy: homicides perpetrated by strangers. Homicides of this kind were relatively uncommon in our study population—much less common than deaths perpetrated by the victim’s partner, family members, or friends. But when they happened, people living with gun owners did not experience them less often than people in gun-free homes..."

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This result clashes with a classic narrative promulgated by gun rights groups: firearm owners use their weapon to turn away or overpower a threatening intruder, thereby protecting home and hearth. We did not detect even a hint of such protective benefits. If anything, our results suggest that cohabitants of handgun owners were more likely to be killed by strangers, although that result did not reach statistical significance.

A second study by our team, published in JAMA Psychiatry on April 29, switched the focus of second-hand risks to suicide in a large sample of women living with handgun owners in California. They were 50% more likely to die by suicide than their female neighbors in gun-free homes, and more than four times as likely to die by suicides that involved the use of firearms.

All of us crave a safer home and community. Mounting scientific evidence indicates that bringing a gun into the home isn’t a step in that direction. On the contrary, if safety is the goal, it’s more likely to be a shot in the foot—or much worse."
 
That is because your side discounts any use of a firearm for self defense that does not end up with the attacker being killed. In other words, your side lies.

Source 3 in the OP talks about how gun owners are more likely to kill their partners and be used in suicide. So go for it. I will await your response.
 
Very true. People around the world could realize that gun control doesn’t work. That it’s truly a waste of resources that should be put into education, alleviating poverty , improved healthcare etc.

Except for the sources you cited that say they do because means restrictions works.
 
Source 3 in the OP talks about how gun owners are more likely to kill their partners and be used in suicide. So go for it. I will await your response.
The “study” quoted by Time in source 3 does not mention defensive gun use at all. Why are you moving the goalposts?
 
I already did. Source 3 in the OP. And all of the other sources I've cited that say that. Seriously, you didn't even bother to look at the sources I cite. I cited yours when it showed you were terribly wrong and misquoting it.
No. Source three didn’t show that that there were 40 million gun accidents a year. Which would be a valid measure of safety .
You have this weird habit of citing articles and claiming they something they don’t.

Seriously , I’ve READ the sources you cited. More fully than you have.
Here

From the study you cited. The actual study.
From the limitations of the study.
“”Fourth, our results suggest that exposed cohort members also had higher risks for dying by nonfirearm homicide”

YOU didn’t know that. Yet I DID. Which is why I pointed out that the study suffered from selection bias..

By the way I cited the cdc CONCLUSION which was the 500,000 number to 3 million.

But using the lower number of 108,000 is STILL FOUR TIMES GREATER than firearm suicides .

Why don’t you try to be honest in this debate?
It would be a nice change of pace for you.
 
The “study” quoted by Time in source 3 does not mention defensive gun use at all. Why are you moving the goalposts?

Oh than the final paragraph:

"All of us crave a safer home and community. Mounting scientific evidence indicates that bringing a gun into the home isn’t a step in that direction. On the contrary, if safety is the goal, it’s more likely to be a shot in the foot—or much worse."
 
No. Source three didn’t show that that there were 40 million gun accidents a year. Which would be a valid measure of safety .
You have this weird habit of citing articles and claiming they something they don’t.

Seriously , I’ve READ the sources you cited. More fully than you have.
Here

From the study you cited. The actual study.
From the limitations of the study.
“”Fourth, our results suggest that exposed cohort members also had higher risks for dying by nonfirearm homicide”

YOU didn’t know that. Yet I DID. Which is why I pointed out that the study suffered from selection bias..

By the way I cited the cdc CONCLUSION which was the 500,000 number to 3 million.

But using the lower number of 108,000 is STILL FOUR TIMES GREATER than firearm suicides .

Why don’t you try to be honest in this debate?
It would be a nice change of pace for you.

Aren't you a gun instructor? Don't you tell people that having a gun in their home keeps them safe?
 

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