why I loathe Isreal

[new coup for you]

I hate that our support of Isreal brings us nothing good

I hate that our support of Isreal is unconditional

I hate that our support of Isreal brings us hatred from those who possess resources we need

I hate that the Isreali lobby has so much power over our foreign policy

I hate that Americans are completely unwilling to criticize Isreal or question our unconditional support of Isreal

I hate that my tax dollars supports the attrocities committed by the IDF

I hate that Isreali's excuse their barbarism by arguing that their enemies, a people politically hundreds of years behind the West in terms of development, behave worse then they do. It's like claiming that you can beat a child because he "started it".

I hate that US politicians devour Isreali and Jewish lobbying money and ignore US interests

I hate that the US criticizes Iran for developing nuclear weapons while tolerating and even supporting Isreali nuclear development

I hate that anyone who criticizes Isreal runs the risk of be labeled as a anti-semite

I hate that any debate about Isreal will inevitably lead to a disscusion of the holocaust, despite it's lack of relevance

I hate that we're told to blindly support Isreal, just because it's a democracy. This presumes a) that we should support all democracies reguardless of they behave and b)that Isreal is truly a democracy despite it's policies towards it's arab "citizens" (did we consider South Africa a democracy? The whites could vote?)

I hate the myopic obsession with Isreal at the expense of US interests of US pro-Isreal Jews

I hate that Isrealis think their nothing little country the size of New Jersey is important

I hate that support of Isreal alienates Europe

I hate that support of Isreal is across both parties equally giving us no option but to continue subsidizing the End Times

I hate that American politicians criticize religious extremism in the Middle East while ignoring the zealotry and insanity of Orthodox Jews in both the US and Isreal

I hate that "settlers" are considered civillians

I hate that Isreali's assert that if I don't support them I support the Arabs by default

...etc.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I hate that our support of Isreal brings us nothing good

Support in the ME in both assisting with intel about terrorist activities, and an ally in an area where religious dogma and jealousy tends to prevent this.

I hate that our support of Isreal is unconditional

I hate this type of absolutist statement that is a total fallacy.

I hate that our support of Isreal brings us hatred from those who possess resources we need

I hate that those who possess these resources try to dictate our foreign policy, and hate Israel solely because it exists.

I hate that the Isreali lobby has so much power over our foreign policy

I hate that people who believe this tend to believe in the whole "Jews control everything' conspiracy theory, and I hate that the Israeli lobby needs to have so much power because if they didn't, the Arab oil lobby would have made sure that the US had eliminated Israel long ago.

I hate that Americans are completely unwilling to criticize Isreal or question our unconditional support of Isreal

I hate that obtuse statements like this are incorrect, and their spouting tends to foster prejudicial aggression of Americans towards Israel.

I hate that my tax dollars supports the attrocities committed by the IDF

I hate that the IDF has done some things that it shouldn't have. I hate that blanket statements like above are taken seriously.

I hate that Isreali's excuse their barbarism by arguing that their enemies, a people politically hundreds of years behind the West in terms of development, behave worse then they do. It's like claiming that you can beat a child because he "started it".

I hate that those who make these claims have no clue what barbarism is and do not look at how Palestinian militants, and Arab aggressors continue to try to destroy Israel. It's like beating the child that is defending himself against 10 bullies.

I hate that US politicians devour Isreali and Jewish lobbying money and ignore US interests

I hate that those who make statements like this are inaccurate. Israel's existence is in the US's interest, and many Jews are Americans, and their voices in US policy counts, as do other ethnic groups.

I hate that the US criticizes Iran for developing nuclear weapons while tolerating and even supporting Isreali nuclear development

I hate that those who compare these two situations are comparing apples and airplanes. Iran is a religious-fascist state that has threatened to use weapons against Israel, offensively. Israel is a democratic government that has never made claims to use weapons in any way other than defensive.

I hate that anyone who criticizes Isreal runs the risk of be labeled as a anti-semite

I hate that many, but not all, that criticize Israel are either covert or overt anti-semites.

I hate that any debate about Isreal will inevitably lead to a disscusion of the holocaust, despite it's lack of relevance

I hate how it is the anti-Israeli side that often are the ones to bring up the holocaust...as we see here. :2razz:

I hate that we're told to blindly support Isreal, just because it's a democracy. This presumes a) that we should support all democracies reguardless of they behave and b)that Isreal is truly a democracy despite it's policies towards it's arab "citizens" (did we consider South Africa a democracy? The whites could vote?)

I hate that anyone would compare the treatment of Israeli-Arab citizens to those of blacks in South Africa, before apartheid without doing a little cursory research, which would show that this assumption is totally absurd and nothing more than propaganda.

I hate the myopic obsession with Isreal at the expense of US interests of US pro-Isreal Jews

I hate the myopic obsession with this fallacy of Anti-Israelis.

I hate that Isrealis think their nothing little country the size of New Jersey is important

I hate those that would demean another country because they neither live there nor know much about what goes on there. Those of us who are nationalists see our country, regardless of where we live as important. Regardless of size.

I hate that support of Isreal alienates Europe

I hate that European opinion is often controlled by their need for oil.

I hate that support of Isreal is across both parties equally giving us no option but to continue subsidizing the End Times

I hate that those who want to pull support for Israel are heading us towards the 'End Times'.

I hate that American politicians criticize religious extremism in the Middle East while ignoring the zealotry and insanity of Orthodox Jews in both the US and Isreal

I hate that this statement is completely obtuse and compares a group of Islamic extremists that control several ME countries and causes and professes violence across the globe to a small minority of Jews/Israelis that have little power and enact no violence. This is probably the most absurd statement in your post.

I hate that "settlers" are considered civillians

I can, somewhat, agree, here, as long as you are talking about those who have settled inside Palestinian territory. Those in Israel, are civilians.

I hate that Isreali's assert that if I don't support them I support the Arabs by default

I hate that this would happen, too.


Why I loathe posts like these.

1. They take all the inaccurate stereotypes against Israel and spout them as if they are facts.

2. They are totally myopic and do not look at the larger issue in the ME which is that both sides have contributed to the problem.

3. They create a villainizing of Israel mentality and make wild, inaccurate, overgeneralized, absolute statements that are deceptive and incorrect and only foster more erroneous and anti-Israel rhetoric.

4. Even if it is unintentional, their tone tends to promote hatred due to the anti-Israeli propaganda nature of their fallacious information. It is never good to post propaganda and present it as facts.

 

[Thorgasm]

I hate Joan Rivers' and Fran Drescher's voices.

:mrgreen:

 

[Spartacus FPV]

I hate anyone who thinks that his god is his omniscient real estate broker, I say cut support and let the wretches fight it out. We give more aid to Israel's enemies than Israel anyways.

 

[cherokee]

I hate that our support of Isreal brings us nothing good

I hate that our support of Isreal is unconditional

I hate that our support of Isreal brings us hatred from those who possess resources we need

I hate that the Isreali lobby has so much power over our foreign policy

I hate that Americans are completely unwilling to criticize Isreal or question our unconditional support of Isreal

I hate that my tax dollars supports the attrocities committed by the IDF

I hate that Isreali's excuse their barbarism by arguing that their enemies, a people politically hundreds of years behind the West in terms of development, behave worse then they do. It's like claiming that you can beat a child because he "started it".

I hate that US politicians devour Isreali and Jewish lobbying money and ignore US interests

I hate that the US criticizes Iran for developing nuclear weapons while tolerating and even supporting Isreali nuclear development

I hate that anyone who criticizes Isreal runs the risk of be labeled as a anti-semite

I hate that any debate about Isreal will inevitably lead to a disscusion of the holocaust, despite it's lack of relevance

I hate that we're told to blindly support Isreal, just because it's a democracy. This presumes a) that we should support all democracies reguardless of they behave and b)that Isreal is truly a democracy despite it's policies towards it's arab "citizens" (did we consider South Africa a democracy? The whites could vote?)

I hate the myopic obsession with Isreal at the expense of US interests of US pro-Isreal Jews

I hate that Isrealis think their nothing little country the size of New Jersey is important

I hate that support of Isreal alienates Europe

I hate that support of Isreal is across both parties equally giving us no option but to continue subsidizing the End Times

I hate that American politicians criticize religious extremism in the Middle East while ignoring the zealotry and insanity of Orthodox Jews in both the US and Isreal

I hate that "settlers" are considered civillians

I hate that Isreali's assert that if I don't support them I support the Arabs by default

...etc.

I have just the cure for you,
Renounce your US citizenship and move to Palestine.
Throw rocks at IDF forces then complain because
they throw lead back at you....

Boats and planes are leaving the US daily.

 

[stevenb]

I have just the cure for you,
Renounce your US citizenship and move to Palestine.
Throw rocks at IDF forces then complain because
they throw lead back at you....

Boats and planes are leaving the US daily.

Yeah, cause "You're either with us, or you're against us." right?

 

[Tashah]

I loathe people who simply regurgitate propaganda rather than educate themselves on complex issues.

 

[WI Crippler]

I wouldn't be too concerned about NCFY.

He doesn't care about Darfur, or the American southeast, or flyover country either.

Pretty much just the coastal, big city areas of America and parts of western europe is all that NCFY cares about. Everything else is just garbage.

 

[Rebelman]

I love people who actually know how to spell Israel correctly. It's Israel not Isreal.

 

[bhkad]

OK, tell us which countries on this list, if they were facing the same situation as Israel, would you abandon?



And which ones would you stand with?

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I love people who actually know how to spell Israel correctly. It's Israel not Isreal.

I was going to say that, but I didn't want to be a spelling Nazi. :mrgreen:

 

[bhkad]

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle-east/27384-why-i-loathe-isreal.html#post1057512521

(Click to see list)

Which countries on the list would you stand with and which ones would you abandon if they were in Israel's situation?

 

[RightinNYC]

I wouldn't be too concerned about NCFY.

Me either, unless Palestine starts dropping "raep bombs," in which case we'll know that he's been aiding and abetting terrorism. :lol:

 

[Kandahar]

I hate that anyone who criticizes Isreal runs the risk of be labeled as a anti-semite

:roll:
Just who do you think you're fooling? It's very difficult NOT to label you as an anti-semite, when you make blatantly anti-semitic statements like the following:

I hate that the Isreali lobby has so much power over our foreign policy

You know perfectly well that you could just as easily replace the words "the Israeli lobby" with "the Jews," and your sentence would have exactly the same meaning.

 

[1069]

:roll:
Just who do you think you're fooling? It's very difficult NOT to label you as an anti-semite, when you make blatantly anti-semitic statements like the following:



You know perfectly well that you could just as easily replace the words "the Israeli lobby" with "the Jews," and your sentence would have exactly the same meaning.

Can't there be a distinction between opposing any sort of alliance with Israel, and hating Jews in general?
I don't hate Jews. I can't even tell if someone is a Jew, unless they tell me they are.
And once I find out, I don't care. I usually just forget about it, sort of like if somebody tells me they're Italian, or Irish, or whatever. It's irrelevant to me, really.
I certainly don't want to persecute Jews, and wouldn't stand for any persecution of Jews or anyone else.

But what's that got to do with Israel?
If I don't support sending billions of dollars to the Hutus so they can beat the shite out of the Tutsis (or vice versa), does that mean I hate black people?
That I'm some kind of racist oppressor?

 

[new coup for you]

:roll:
Just who do you think you're fooling? It's very difficult NOT to label you as an anti-semite, when you make blatantly anti-semitic statements like the following:



You know perfectly well that you could just as easily replace the words "the Israeli lobby" with "the Jews," and your sentence would have exactly the same meaning.

Are you suggesting that all Jews support Israel?

 

[donsutherland1]

As the "petition" of complaints against Israel appear largely to cover the same ground trod by the Mearsheimer and Walt paper on the "Israel Lobby," Harvard University Professor of Law Alan Dershowitz's critique of what amounts to a rather shoddily-prepared document is useful. That critique follows:

Abstract:
The working paper by Academic Dean and Professor Stephen Walt and Professor John Mearsheimer presents a conspiratorial view of history in which the Israel Lobby has a “stranglehold” on American foreign policy, the American media, think tanks and academia. In his response, Professor Alan Dershowitz demonstrates that the paper contains three types of major errors: quotations are wrenched out of context, important facts are misstated or omitted; and embarrassingly weak logic is employed. One of the authors of this paper has acknowledged that “none of the evidence represents original documentation or is derived from independent interviews.” In light of the paper’s errors, and its admitted lack of originality, Dershowitz asks why these professors would have chosen to publish a paper that does not meet their usual scholarly standards, especially given the risk – that should have been obvious to “realists” - that recycling these charges under their imprimatur of prominent authors would be featured, as they have been, on extremist websites. Dershowitz questions the authors claims that people who support Israel do not want “an open debate on issues involving Israel.” He renews his challenge to debate the issues.

Link to the Entire Paper: http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/research/working_papers/dershowitzreply.pdf​

 

[bhkad]

Again, Alan Dershowitz:

When Legit Criticism Crosses the Anti-Semitism Line

It's interesting how quickly the bigots -- Jews and non-Jews alike -- crawl out from under their rocks as soon as Israel is mentioned. (See the comments to my previous post on Norman Finkelstein.) The newest form of bigotry is to claim that I and others who generally support Israel argue that "anyone who criticizes Israel is an anti-Semite." This is a bald-faced lie. I always criticize specific Israeli policies, Israeli leaders, and Israeli actions. Most Israelis criticize specific policies. Israel is among the most self-critical countries in the world. Several years ago, I offered a large monetary award (payable to the PLO) for anyone who could actually come up with a quote by a prominent pro-Israeli writer who equated mere criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. No one came to collect the reward, because no respectable person has ever made this absurd claim. As Thomas Friedman of The New York Times accurately put it, "Criticizing Israel is not anti-Semitic, and saying so is vile. But singling out Israel for opprobrium and international sanction -- out of all proportion to any other party in the Middle East -- is anti-Semitic, and not saying so is dishonest"

In my forthcoming book, The Case for Peace (which devastates Norman Finkelstein's arguments), I have set out a list of criteria that distinguish anti-Semitism from legitimate criticism. Here are my criteria:

A CHECKLIST OF FACTORS THAT TEND TO INDICATE ANTI-SEMITISM

...

Continued at link.

Alan Dershowitz: When Legit Criticism Crosses the Anti-Semitism Line - Politics on The Huffington Post

 

[MarcusMagnus]

Again, Alan Dershowitz:



Continued at link.

Alan Dershowitz: When Legit Criticism Crosses the Anti-Semitism Line - Politics on The Huffington Post

You mean would we stand by a country that invade a region and then proceeded to treat the conquered like animals? No.

:roll:
Just who do you think you're fooling? It's very difficult NOT to label you as an anti-semite, when you make blatantly anti-semitic statements like the following:



You know perfectly well that you could just as easily replace the words "the Israeli lobby" with "the Jews," and your sentence would have exactly the same meaning.

So what? If the Jews are making that foreign lobby, then how is it anti-semitic?

Truth is truth.

What wrong with being anti-semitic anyways? Are we required to love the Jews?

I mean, I love their women, but they just don't shut the ***** up.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

What wrong with being anti-semitic anyways? Are we required to love the Jews?

There is a significant difference between being anti-semetic and being indifferent towards Jews. In your question, are you saying that it is OK to be prejudicial and discriminatory, and to express hatred and hostility towards Jews solely because of their religion and/or ethnicity?

 

[donsutherland1]

What wrong with being anti-semitic anyways?

Hate or intolerance of a people for whom they are on grounds of their ethnicity, race, religion, etc., is always wrong. As Martin Luther King, Jr. put it, people should be judged "by the content of the character," alone.​

 

[Volker]

:roll:
Just who do you think you're fooling? It's very difficult NOT to label you as an anti-semite, when you make blatantly anti-semitic statements like the following:

I hate that the Isreali lobby has so much power over our foreign policy.

You know perfectly well that you could just as easily replace the words "the Israeli lobby" with "the Jews," and your sentence would have exactly the same meaning.

So notice, even if there is a strong Israeli lobby in America and they have a lot of influence in American foreign politics, we can not say this.

Otherwise people like Kandahar here will start whining like "but this is anti-Semitic" :roll:

 

[WI Crippler]

Boy that Israeli lobby needs to step up their game......:roll:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle-east/26970-bush-calls-end-israeli-occupation-arab-lands.html


People should probably realize that the US is pulled in many different directions by many countries that have shared interests with. But everybody focuses on only one group here.

Israel is a stable democracy that thrives in the heart of an unstable region. I can comfortably support them with whatever means necessary based on this alone. I could care less if they are jewish or buddhist. Thats a non-factor for me.

 

[Volker]

Boy that Israeli lobby needs to step up their game......:roll:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle-east/26970-bush-calls-end-israeli-occupation-arab-lands.html


People should probably realize that the US is pulled in many different directions by many countries that have shared interests with. But everybody focuses on only one group here.

Maybe you would be surprised about the lobby Germans have in the US. Maybe you would not, if you already know, that Germans are the largest ethnic group in the US. At least this is what I heard. Scyscrapers, ships, factories, there is a lot of what is German owned property in the US, and yes, a lot of things run in Hollywood because there is German money behind it.

It's the other way around, too.

Israel is a stable democracy that thrives in the heart of an unstable region. I can comfortably support them with whatever means necessary based on this alone. I could care less if they are jewish or buddhist. Thats a non-factor for me.

Amen to that, or Aum, if you like :mrgreen:

 

[Kandahar]

So what? If the Jews are making that foreign lobby, then how is it anti-semitic?

Truth is truth.

In other words, the Jews have too much power in our society and must be stopped. Now where have I heard THAT before? :roll:

The truth is that it's simply not socially acceptable to openly hate Jews, so most anti-semites have resorted to code words that they use as euphemisms for Jews: Zionists, New York media, illuminati, global bankers, the Israeli lobby, etc.

What wrong with being anti-semitic anyways? Are we required to love the Jews?

You aren't required to do anything. That doesn't mean I won't ridicule ignorant attitudes toward Jews or toward Israel.