Why I changed my mind on weed

[Dragonfly]

Perhaps Tigger's god would say:

Hey, I gave you a simple plant to heal yourself with, and you refused.
You're too stupid to be a part of my kingdom.
Enjoy the option I created for stupid people. Watch the first step though, it's a doozy.

 

[Tigger]

Turns out that much of the health benefit from marijuana is from CBD, an element that doesn't get you "high". So your "soul" would be safe.

Sorry, but until you can create a version of the plant which cannot in any way or part be used for those sorts of purposes, the plant needs to be destroyed, wholesale. The same reason why I have no use for hemp.

 

[Tigger]

Perhaps Tigger's god would say:

Hey, I gave you a simple plant to heal yourself with, and you refused.
You're too stupid to be a part of my kingdom.
Enjoy the option I created for stupid people. Watch the first step though, it's a doozy.

Nope. My God would say.... "Verily thou hath been taught that thou shouldst maintain thine vigilance and thine preparation at all times, and do nothing that wouldst impair thine judgement or thine preparations. For lo, thou dost not know what Fate hath chosen to befall you in this next minute, hour, or day. Thereby it is your duty to remain ever watchful, that when Fate places before thee an opportunity, thou dost not miss it, and when Fate places thee in danger thou art prepared to deal with it. Lest thee find thine Soul to be found wanting in its hour of Judgement."

 

[What if...?]

Sorry, but until you can create a version of the plant which cannot in any way or part be used for those sorts of purposes, the plant needs to be destroyed, wholesale. The same reason why I have no use for hemp.

Strains exist that have virtually no thc.

Industrial hemp plants have virtually no thc either. And paper alone justifies making it legal.

And bear in mind that strong evidence suggests that cannabis was commonplace while the "morals" you espouse were "developed". An integral part of early cultural development. The earliest known woven fiber discovered was hemp, for example.

I get where you're coming from, even though I disagree with most of your conclusions. But denying yourself useful treatments because the source of that treatment may be abuseable isn't very sound logically. I imaging you get stitches for a bad cut, but I could sew someones mouth shut, so should you reject stitches. Some people eat until they harm themselves and even others. Do you refuse to eat because some people abuse food?

You've got some internal inconsistencies that become evident over time.

 

[Tigger]

Strains exist that have virtually no thc. Industrial hemp plants have virtually no thc either. And paper alone justifies making it legal.

And bear in mind that strong evidence suggests that cannabis was commonplace while the "morals" you espouse were "developed". An integral part of early cultural development. The earliest known woven fiber discovered was hemp, for example.

Until one can be developed that has NO THC and no capability to be engineered back into a THC bearing strain, I will have no use for it. Obviously we will disagree on the moral development question.

I get where you're coming from, even though I disagree with most of your conclusions. But denying yourself useful treatments because the source of that treatment may be abuseable isn't very sound logically. I imaging you get stitches for a bad cut, but I could sew someones mouth shut, so should you reject stitches. Some people eat until they harm themselves and even others. Do you refuse to eat because some people abuse food?

The issue isn't the abuse per se but the fact that one of the most important values in the world is the ability to take care of oneself. Marijuana, alcohol, and many of these other substances reduce, impair, or remove the ability to think and act in an immediate fashion should the need arise. That is what makes them immoral. Actually, I go out of my way to avoid medical doctors as much as humanly possible. I have both a DNR and a Living Will. Every time I go to a new medical facility, I spend at lesat 45 minutes arguing with the administrators there about those two documents. There are many medical things I will not do or use. Among them is any treatment which would be paid for by the Government.

You've got some internal inconsistencies that become evident over time.

Not really, once you've gotten a full understanding of where I'm coming from.

 

[paddymcdougall]

Tigger, if you don't want to use pot, alcohol whatever - that's fine.

But depriving others of the medical benefits or other benefits of them - that's not fine.

Alcohol tastes good to many of us; pot is relaxing to many people. No one says you have to use them.

 

[What if...?]

Until one can be developed that has NO THC and no capability to be engineered back into a THC bearing strain, I will have no use for it. Obviously we will disagree on the moral development question.



The issue isn't the abuse per se but the fact that one of the most important values in the world is the ability to take care of oneself. Marijuana, alcohol, and many of these other substances reduce, impair, or remove the ability to think and act in an immediate fashion should the need arise. That is what makes them immoral. Actually, I go out of my way to avoid medical doctors as much as humanly possible. I have both a DNR and a Living Will. Every time I go to a new medical facility, I spend at lesat 45 minutes arguing with the administrators there about those two documents. There are many medical things I will not do or use. Among them is any treatment which would be paid for by the Government.



Not really, once you've gotten a full understanding of where I'm coming from.

An interesting side topic in the Gupta documentary is the interesting fact recently discovered that "impairment" from pot decreases with regular use. Testing for impairment using infrequent or non-users reveals strong impairment. Testing regular users, even with heavy dosing, reveals MUCH less impairment. So there's no reason potheads would necessarily be "unprepared" by your definition, and be happier while they wait for their "opportunity".

As an aside, intelligence in species has a direct correlation to the amount of time a species spends "playing". The more a species engages in purely "frivolous" "fun" behaviors, the more intelligent they are. And the converse as well. Species that spend all their time "working" and none "playing" are less intelligent than those who "play".

This is observable and repeatable. And I've always felt that the only way to figure out what a "creator" is all about is to look at its creation. And it is clear that joy in all its forms is a part of creation itself. Not something to be rejected as evil in some way.

 

[radcen]

Sorry, but until you can create a version of the plant which cannot in any way or part be used for those sorts of purposes, the plant needs to be destroyed, wholesale. The same reason why I have no use for hemp.

Do you eat potatoes? Can be used for vodka, ya know.

Do you eat wheat products? Bread, as one example. Wheat beer is good beer.

 

[Jango]

Sanjay narrated a show on CNN last night called Weed. Good press for marijuana, overall. Personally, I think marijuana should be allowed for recreational and medicinal use throughout the U.S.