You wouldn't? But to be fair to Marx no country has actually gone through the process the way he described it. So we have never seen a truly Marxist society.
I've yet to see evidence that China "hasn't worked."
Depends on what you mean by "worked," I guess.
I've yet to see evidence that China "hasn't worked."
Depends on what you mean by "worked," I guess.
China really isn't an example of Marxism though. Mao went through an agrarian movement, where Marx said it had to come from the workers. Also, the fact that China is becoming more capitalistic means it truly it isn't Marxist either.
Some think in China that the market has to evolve from a commodity market into a planned market and if it is forced to fast it won't work.
You wouldn't? But to be fair to Marx no country has actually gone through the process the way he described it. So we have never seen a truly Marxist society.
What's holding them back? Russia said communism couldn't work until all the nations on Earth were communist. Really? Hong Kong, a British colony, did fine with capitalism. It was stuck right up China's butt. That's a cop out. It doesn't work because Marx's idea are a bunch of touchy feely crap. Why would anyone who plays basketball as good as LeBron James want to be paid the same as the twelveth man bench warmer?
I thought I made that clear. I said "worked" means to provide a standard of living on par with captialist countries. Is China on a par with any of the European countries? Pay attention.I've yet to see evidence that China "hasn't worked."
Depends on what you mean by "worked," I guess.
Are you going to attempt to make an argument at some point or are you going to keep throwing out emotion based rhetoric?
Yeah, right back atcha.
Really? If you believe that, then what caused the split between Mao and Krushchev?China really isn't an example of Marxism though. Mao went through an agrarian movement, where Marx said it had to come from the workers. Also, the fact that China is becoming more capitalistic means it truly it isn't Marxist either.
What's holding them back? Russia said communism couldn't work until all the nations on Earth were communist. Really? Hong Kong, a British colony, did fine with capitalism. It was stuck right up China's butt. That's a cop out. It doesn't work because Marx's idea are a bunch of touchy feely crap. Why would anyone who plays basketball as good as LeBron James want to be paid the same as the twelveth man bench warmer?
I wouldn't really call china to be Communistic.
Communism, like Libertarianism, is one of those things that we have yet to see a real world example of. In either case, whenever it is tried, it ends up taking on elements of other ideologies as practicality overrides ideology at some level, whether that practicality is benign or corrupt.
I guess the real question is why certain philosophies cannot be successfully applied in the real world.
You can say the same thing about "true" capitalism. We haven't been a really capitalist country since Woodrow Wilson. You remember him, right? He's the guy who segragated the millitary and all the branches of government because he thought "coloreds preferred to be among their own kind". Look it up.
BTW, What would you consider RED China to be if not communist?
Complaining about people calling China communist is lame. It's like complaing about calling the US a democracy. Let's give each other the benefit of the doubt and not assume that the former is refering to China as a Marxian utopia and the latter proclaiming direct elections/referendums in all matters of state exists.
Communism has never existed. Neither has the free market, capitalism or democracy. I imagine there are complaints regarding the non-utopian status of socialism, fascism, theocracy and monarchy; however, let's not render all of those terms to the realm of fantasy - it's a boring exercise in nihilism.
China, North Korea and Cuba take their economic policy and perhaps even an attitude towards the west from Marxist theory. Not monarch theory, not dictator theory. The idea that the state owns everything comes from somewhere... to try to absolve communist theory from modern 'communist' states because utopia does not exist is intellectually shady. It leads to one conclusion: nothing exists, so stop using terms.
You know damn well that people are refering to China's economic policy (state valuation of currency, public ownership of everything, etc), and not the utopian stateless society that China enjoys, when the term is used.
Stop it.
China, nK and Cuba are communist. So are Russia, Venezuela and Sweden
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