Why has Japan not asked for forgiveness for WWII?

[Antiwar]

The United States detonated two nuclear weapons over the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki on 6 and 9 August 1945, respectively. The two bombings killed between 129,000 and 226,000 people, most of whom were civilians, and remain the only use of nuclear weapons in armed conflict.

Not only did the US government drop bombs on two civilian cities, it detonated a bunch of nuclear bombs on the Bikini Atoll.

Uncle Sam is one sick and twisted individual.

Nuclear testing at Bikini Atoll - Wikipedia

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Did Japan do a lot of horrible stuff? Absolutely. Is Japan the current threat in the world? No. The US government is the biggest threat on Earth. Not just because it has boatloads of nuclear weapons, but it also has the most military outposts, spends the most on militarism, exports the most weapons, etc.

 

[Antiwar]

Because every other alternative would have been killed far more. We had already tried the naval blockade. We had already conducted strategic bombing campaigns against the Japanese for years.

Those projected casualty reports come from the Allies’ designated landing sights. Namely, Kyushu. Regardless of anything else, those casualties are still exponentially higher than the actual losses caused by the nuclear bombs.

^^^ Apologizing for terrorism.

 

[Tigerace117]

Not only did the US government drop bombs on two civilian cities, it detonated a bunch of nuclear bombs on the Bikini Atoll.

Uncle Sam is one sick and twisted individual.

Nuclear testing at Bikini Atoll - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Did Japan do a lot of horrible stuff? Absolutely. Is Japan the current threat in the world? No. The US government is the biggest threat on Earth. Not just because it has boatloads of nuclear weapons, but it also has the most military outposts, spends the most on militarism, exports the most weapons, etc.

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Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki possessed major military facilities.

Nothing the US has ever done even comes close to the crap the Japanese got up to during events like the Rape of Nanking. The rampage though that city ALONE rivals the death toll of Hiroshima and Nagasaki....put together.

But, as usual, expecting a CPC fanboy to understand basic history is expecting far too much.

 

[Tigerace117]

^^^ Apologizing for terrorism.

Nah, terrorism would be forcing civilians to commit suicide rather than fall into American hands.....which the Japanese did on numerous occasions, including on a massive scale at Okinawa.

But congrats on revealing your complete ignorance.....again.

 

[AmNat]

The Japanese not being taught to fully acknowledge the incredible evil carried out by the Tojo regime annoys anyone with even half a brain. There are few regimes more worthy of hatred than the one running Imperial Japan up until 1945.

Any Japanese with half a brain can see what a disaster national-guilt education has been for western countries. They are quite right to teach their children to cherish their heritage.

Your sobs of misery over Germans being taught to hate the Nazis, meanwhile, are rather telling.

The Germans were guinea pigs for the program of cultural Marxism now imposed on us. I empathize with them because they have essentially the same problem we do but even worse.

 

[Tigerace117]

Any Japanese with half a brain can see what a disaster national-guilt education has been for western countries. They are quite right to teach their children to cherish their heritage.

The Germans were guinea pigs for the program of cultural Marxism now imposed on us. I empathize with them because they have essentially the same problem we do but even worse.

Any Japanese person with half a brain can see what a disaster the Tojo regime was for Japan....even BEFORE it got Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuked. “Cherishing” the mass murder of millions upon millions of people is idiotic.

Claims that forcing the Germans to own up to the incredible evil of Nazism is “cultural Marxism” are completely, utterly laughable.

I’m sure you do emphasize with the Nazi scum, yes.

 

[Bodi]

My statement remains accurate, your hate notwithstanding. Japanese are not taught that their nation is evil in the way Germans are. I'm sure this upsets you.

@Tigerace117 They were not taught much of it at all, last I read they were taking it out of textbooks, and this was twenty years or more ago.

 

[Antiwar]

Nah, terrorism would be forcing civilians to commit suicide rather than fall into American hands.....which the Japanese did on numerous occasions, including on a massive scale at Okinawa.

But congrats on revealing your complete ignorance.....again.

So dropping nuclear bombs on civilian cities wasn't meant to scare the shit out of the Japanese?

Your ethical standard is "As long as there's someone that does something worse." That's a very low ethical standard.

 

[Cardinal]

I was speaking in terms of apologies owed for war. We dropped nukes. Only country to ever do that.

There’s a reason we didn’t do it again though. And there was a good-sized window when we could have kept using it before MAD entered stage left.

 

[Tigerace117]

So dropping nuclear bombs on civilian cities wasn't meant to scare the shit out of the Japanese?

Your ethical standard is "As long as there's someone that does something worse." That's a very low ethical standard.

Dropping nukes on the Japanese cities, which again both had major military targets, was designed to force them to surrender and therefore end the war before the Allies had to invade, which would have killed exponentially more people.

Your “ethical standards” are nothing more than a bunch of faux moral posturing which reveals your deep ignorance at every turn.

 

[Serenity]

So what's the point of this poll?

It's a platform to hate on the Japanese and fondly remember the damage inflicted by the use of nukes.

 

[Antiwar]

Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki possessed major military facilities.

Nothing the US has ever done even comes close to the crap the Japanese got up to during events like the Rape of Nanking. The rampage though that city ALONE rivals the death toll of Hiroshima and Nagasaki....put together.

But, as usual, expecting a CPC fanboy to understand basic history is expecting far too much.

Again, your ethical standard is "But mommy, Japan did more horrific things than the US did." The US government has done a shitload of horrible stuff. You're a blind patriot. I have no idea why you're so conservative on this issue. You're fairly liberal on other stuff, but when it comes to government violence on foreign peoples you're a vocal supporter.

 

[Tigerace117]

Again, your ethical standard is "But mommy, Japan did more horrific things than the US did." The US government has done a shitload of horrible stuff. You're a blind patriot. I have no idea why you're so conservative on this issue. You're fairly liberal on other stuff, but when it comes to government violence on foreign peoples you're a vocal supporter.

Again, you engage in faux moral flailing because you can’t handle the fact that the Imperial Japanese regime routinely committed atrocities exponentially worse than anything the US has ever done.

The Japanese regime slaughtered ten times more people in China than died at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Japanese regime had issued standing orders to murder every last POW they still held— a HUNDRED THOUSAND men— the minute the Allies landed in Japan. The Japanese regime rivaled Nazi Germany in both body count and sheer evil. You not wanting to face the fact that the nukes were necessary to bring down such a incredibly evil regime.....can’t change it. And neither can any amount of sobbing about “government violence”.

 

[Tigerace117]

It's a platform to hate on the Japanese and fondly remember the damage inflicted by the use of nukes.

Considering that the Imperial Japanese regime’s literal military policy was “Kill All, Burn All, Loot All” and engaged in well documented contests of tossing Chinese infants in the air and bayoneting them, hatred for that regime is entirely normal.

 

[Antiwar]

Let's add @Tigerace117 's favorite documentary that he likes to borrow someone else's commentary on and has never watched. Check out the shit the US government did and does to people. Check out where we're headed. I'm supposedly a "CPC fanboy" because of this video. The video is mostly about the US government, with a little bit on China.

And is the plan to stop the alleged genocide being committed in China? No, it's not. I'd much prefer we work to prevent all human rights abuses, and stop them early, without committing further human rights abuses. The world needs to figure out how to deal with human rights abuses in much better ways. The US government doesn't seem to be interested in either, it just wants to dominate the world economically and militarily.

 

[Tigerace117]

Let's add @Tigerace117 's favorite documentary that he likes to borrow someone else's commentary on and has never watched. Check out the shit the US government did and does to people. Check out where we're headed. I'm supposedly a "CPC fanboy" because of this video. The video is mostly about the US government, with a little bit on China.

And is the plan to stop the alleged genocide being committed in China? No, it's not. I'd much prefer we work to prevent all human rights abuses, and stop them early, without committing further human rights abuses. The world needs to figure out how to deal with human rights abuses in much better ways. The US government doesn't seem to be interested in either, it just wants to dominate the world economically and militarily.

John Pilger isn’t just a tankie, he’s a complete joke who called Obama a “Uncle Tom”. The “documentary” is garbage, nothing more.

Your endless sobbing about how stopping genocide violates the perpetrators’ “human rights” is almost as pathetic as your inability to face the fact that China is committing genocide in Xinjiang

 

[AmNat]

Any Japanese person with half a brain can see what a disaster the Tojo regime was for Japan....even BEFORE it got Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuked. “Cherishing” the mass murder of millions upon millions of people is idiotic.

Fortunately the Japanese don't share the ethno-masochistic view of history that the west today does. I suspect that if not for Washington's evil influence, they'd have already fully repudiated liberalism and race-guilt. They'll probably be able to by century's end anyhow.

I’m sure you do emphasize . . .

Indeed. I'm not a hate-filled liberal, so I'm able to empathize with others.

 

[AmNat]

@Tigerace117 They were not taught much of it at all, last I read they were taking it out of textbooks, and this was twenty years or more ago.

That is my understanding as well.

 

[Serenity]

Considering that the Imperial Japanese regime’s literal military policy was “Kill All, Burn All, Loot All” and engaged in well documented contests of tossing Chinese infants in the air and bayoneting them, hatred for that regime is entirely normal.

Pretty sure I've clarified this before but I'm absolutely fine with being in the minority when the use of nukes are raised and am against ANY Country using WMD's. I'm fine with being one of the few people who's against killing innocent women and children.

 

[jimbo]

You are stating that nuking Japan was the "worst thing of all" and clarified it was in reference to war. It's not the worst thing of all in that war. The initiation of that war itself is the worst thing of all.

Pearl Harbor was a close second.

 

[noonereal]

Why?

Very profound, well done!

 

[Tigerace117]

Pretty sure I've clarified this before but I'm absolutely fine with being in the minority when the use of nukes are raised and am against ANY Country using WMD's. I'm fine with being one of the few people who's against killing innocent women and children.

The issue, of course, is that every other possibility would have resulted in far more innocent people dying.

 

[Tigerace117]

Fortunately the Japanese don't share the ethno-masochistic view of history that the west today does. I suspect that if not for Washington's evil influence, they'd have already fully repudiated liberalism and race-guilt. They'll probably be able to by century's end anyhow.

Indeed. I'm not a hate-filled liberal, so I'm able to empathize with others.

It’s not “fortunate” in the slightest that some Japanese people celebrate the mass murder of millions upon millions of people. Japan embracing fascism again would be moronic and instantly turn them into a pariah. None of their neighbors have forgotten what the Japanese did.

Funny how the only folks you “empathize” with are genocidal scum. Rather telling, actually.

 

[Loulit01]

This is not about countries. People do this to people. Sometimes the wars are between different factions in the same country: Pol Pot, Chairman Mao, Stalin's gulags, the War of the Roses, Catholics vs. Protestants, North vs. South. It's not about what one country does to another country, it's about what people have done to people throughout history.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Why?

Your poll choices are pretty narrow in bias. So I didn't cast a vote as none seemed appropriate. I think Japan still owes its Asian neighbors a sincere apology due to the severity and brutally harsh nature of the atrocities they committed against them. As to America and Japan my answer would be that it's complicated. Both sides made fatalistic miscalculations due to their racist viewpoints cultural and historical ignorance of the other.