Why has Japan not asked for forgiveness for WWII?

[AmNat]

It’s not “fortunate” in the slightest that some Japanese people celebrate the mass murder of millions upon millions of people.

It is indeed fortunate that Japanese people glory in their country's long history. Would that Americans still did likewise! You characterize this as "celebrating mass murder" because the contempt you hold your own people and ancestors in renders any other attitude incomprehensible to you.

Japan embracing fascism again would be moronic and instantly turn them into a pariah. None of their neighbors have forgotten what the Japanese did.

Japan rejecting liberalism ("embracing fascism" in your terminology) would likely result in the forcible removal of its government by USG's forces, which have occupied the country to this very day. I doubt Washington would even allow them to become an independent "pariah" state.

But as the century goes on, Washington's power will continue to wane and the benefits of being a client state and the difficulty of escaping will both become less than they are now. At some point, the cost-benefit analysis for Japan's ruling party will tip in favor of becoming a sovereign nation once again.

Funny how the only folks you “empathize” with are genocidal scum. Rather telling, actually.

I would not expect a person who bears as much hatred for your fellow man as you do to understand the concept of empathy.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki possessed major military facilities.

Be that as it may I think one would still has to admit that there was something of ghoulish aspect to the decision to spare Hiroshima and Nagasaki from the kind of air attacks that practically all the other Japanese cities had endured throughout the war so as leave them in pretty near pristine condition so they could have a better understanding of what kind of effects and damage an atomic blast would have on a major population center.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Why?

They got 2 atomic bombs dropped on them. Its enough.

 

[Antiwar]

John Pilger isn’t just a tankie, he’s a complete joke who called Obama a “Uncle Tom”. The “documentary” is garbage, nothing more.

A "tankie," chuckle. You haven't even watched it, your opinion is based on ignorance. Your ethics are based on blind patriotism. You're hung up on a war that ended over 50 years before you were born.

Your endless sobbing about how stopping genocide violates the perpetrators’ “human rights” is almost as pathetic as your inability to face the fact that China is committing genocide in Xinjiang

You and the US government have no plans to stop the alleged genocide. You're both posturing.

The US didn't even try to stop Mao in the 50s. The US government couldn't care less about genocide happening in China. They aren't going to do a damn thing about it. They'd have to ask to borrow more money from China to try. The US government borrows money from the CPC. Uncle Sam is supporting genocide, like a "CPC fanboy."

 

[Antiwar]

Dropping nukes on the Japanese cities, which again both had major military targets, was designed to force them to surrender and therefore end the war before the Allies had to invade, which would have killed exponentially more people.

"Exponentially more." Ridiculous hyperbole.

Your “ethical standards” are nothing more than a bunch of faux moral posturing which reveals your deep ignorance at every turn.

"That serial killer murdered more people." Brilliant. And your one-sided version of history is pathetic.

 

[AmNat]

The US didn't even try to stop Mao in the 50s.

You're talking to a guy who's called Stalin a liberator and thinks North Korea is better off now than before the Kims took over.

 

[Bodi]

Very profound, well done!

How?

 

[Antiwar]

Dropping the nukes was not the worst thing of all... in fact, it was not even a bad thing.

So, according to you, dropping nuclear bombs on civilian cities was a good thing.

 

[Bodi]

They got 2 atomic bombs dropped on them. Its enough.

Maybe for them but we should have dropped a few on Russia and China while we could.

 

[Colin Norris]

Why?

Do you understand what took place at the end of the war?

 

[OpportunityCost]

"Exponentially more." Ridiculous hyperbole.



"That serial killer murdered more people." Brilliant. And your one-sided version of history is pathetic.

William Shockley did an analysis for Stimson during WW2 and the expected wounded on the US side would have been 1.7 to 4 million and 400K to 800K fatalities and the estimated fatalities on the Japanese side were an estimated 5M to 10M. Operation Downfall would have been the bloodiest invasion in the history of the world.

FYI you want a tactic that would only have murdered millions if Japan didn't surrender? The idea of firebombing arable land near Niigata and Sendai to cripple what little farm production Japan possessed would have led to millions of deaths and an eventual inability to act militarily at all. But it would have taken time.

 

[Antiwar]

William Shockley did an analysis for Stimson during WW2 and the expected wounded on the US side would have been 1.7 to 4 million and 400K to 800K fatalities and the estimated fatalities on the Japanese side were an estimated 5M to 10M. Operation Downfall would have been the bloodiest invasion in the history of the world.

FYI you want a tactic that would only have murdered millions if Japan didn't surrender? The idea of firebombing arable land near Niigata and Sendai to cripple what little farm production Japan possessed would have led to millions of deaths and an eventual inability to act militarily at all. But it would have taken time.

Actual scholars argue about these suppositions. I'm not going to pick one.

The US government has made the "Asia Pivot."

 

[OpportunityCost]

Actual scholars argue about these suppositions. I'm not going to pick one.

The US government has made the "Asia Pivot."

Stimson was the Sec of War for the US government. Those numbers are about as official as it could possibly get for the time and were a factor in the decision. Agree or disagree?

 

[Ethel2]

I was speaking in terms of apologies owed for war. We dropped nukes. Only country to ever do that.

There was no need to drop them on two highly populated civilian areas.
They could have been dropped on a remote area and we tell Japan that there’s more where those came from

 

[Antiwar]

Stimson was the Sec of War for the US government. Those numbers are about as official as it could possibly get for the time and were a factor in the decision. Agree or disagree?

War officials are full of shit.

 

[OpportunityCost]

There was no need to drop them on two highly populated civilian areas.
They could have been dropped on a remote area and we tell Japan that there’s more where those came from

Stimson on the Bomb - Nuclear Museum

From “The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb” by Henry StimsonIn recent months there has been much comment about the decision to use atomic bombs in attacks on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This decision was one of the gravest made by our government in recent years, and…

www.atomicheritage.org

 

[OpportunityCost]

War officials are full of shit.

Yet Stimson got Kyoto removed from the list of potential targets. You are letting rhetoric overrule reason. Something to work on.

 

[Antiwar]

Yet Stimson got Kyoto removed from the list of potential targets. You are letting rhetoric overrule reason. Something to work on.

Wow, what a humanitarian he was.

 

[Ethel2]

Stimson on the Bomb - Nuclear Museum

From “The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb” by Henry StimsonIn recent months there has been much comment about the decision to use atomic bombs in attacks on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This decision was one of the gravest made by our government in recent years, and…

www.atomicheritage.org

Thanks
Interesting
But I don’t think destroying two populated areas was necessary.

 

[Jredbaron96]

There was no need to drop them on two highly populated civilian areas.
They could have been dropped on a remote area and we tell Japan that there’s more where those came from

That would not have convinced Japanese leadership to surrender.

 

[Antiwar]

Stimson on the Bomb - Nuclear Museum

From “The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb” by Henry StimsonIn recent months there has been much comment about the decision to use atomic bombs in attacks on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This decision was one of the gravest made by our government in recent years, and…

www.atomicheritage.org

The "Atomic Heritage Foundation" doesn't sound like it's biased toward nuking people one bit.

 

[Serenity]

Not to ignore or downplay the high number of other civilian casualties, civilian hospitals should never be considered acceptable targets.

Of more than 200 doctors in Hiroshima before the attack, over 90 percent were casualties and only about 30 physicians were able to perform their normal duties a month after the raid. Out of 1,780 nurses, 1,654 were killed or injured. Through some stocks of supplies had been dispersed, many were destroyed.

Only three out of 45 civilian hospitals could be used, and two large Army hospitals were rendered unusable. Those within 3,000 feet of ground zero were totally destroyed, and the mortality rate of the occupants was practically 100 percent. Two large hospitals of reinforced concrete construction were located 4,900 feet from ground zero. The basic structures remained erect but there was such severeinterior damage that neither was able to resume operation as a hospital for some time and the casualty rate was approximately 90 percent, due primarily to falling plaster, flying glass, and fire. Hospitals and clinics beyond 7,000 feet, though often remaining standing, were badly damaged and contained many casualties from flying glass or other missiles.

The Effects of Atomic Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki| The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki | Historical Documents

The United States Strategic Bombing Survey that report describes the effects of the atomic bombs which were dropped on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki on August 6 and 9, 1945, respectively.

www.atomicarchive.com

 

[Ethel2]

That would not have convinced Japanese leadership to surrender.

The Japanese had no idea how many more bombs we had, as was noted in the link. There was no need to drop bombs on TWO highly populated areas.
Lesser populated areas might also have done the job just as well.
Just my opinion of course
No one knows

 

[TurtleDude]

The Japanese had no idea how many more bombs we had, as was noted in the link. There was no need to drop bombs on TWO highly populated areas.
Lesser populated areas might also have done the job just as well.
Just my opinion of course
No one knows

after the sneak attack, the brutalization of civilian areas, and the treatment of our POWs by the Japanese, no one really had much concerns about how many Japanese were killed. and in all fairness, Japan got off light when it surrendered

 

[Jredbaron96]

No one knows

We can actually say so with a high degree of confidence.

Even after the bombs were dropped, the military leaders of Japan did not change their mind. Given that, it's hard to see why a demonstration bomb would somehow do the trick.