Why Exactly Can't Iran Have a Nuke?

[noonereal]

The government of Iran sucks. But its leaders are cagey and have a long view, and they are rational actors.

Because it is a nation state.

This is why Iraq was never a threat even if they had WMDs.

 

[CLAX1911]

Yeah, and yet the fact he hasn’t completed obliterated it is a testament to America’s ability to stagger on without a head.

The fact? So you have evidence?

 

[Cameron]

Post #28


Which "progressive lunatics" are "defending Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons because they hate Israel"?

Post #1. The OP, for one.

 

[Pyrite]

Well there is global interest in limiting the amount of nuclear weapons and weapon systems out there. The aggregation of these systems, particularly in State that have less than stable leadership, can lead to outcomes which negatively impacts far more than just the nation of interest.

On paper, it's because Iran agreed to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which would forbid non-nuclear states from developing nuclear arms in most circumstances. A nation is free to enter into agreements like this, and then are held to the contract.

Fundamentally, if we're just going to talk on the side of sovereignty without any sort of treaty in place, then there's nothing that says that Iran can't have nukes. Iran is a sovereign nation and are free to create their rules, government, and defense as they see fit. If they want nukes, there's nothing fundamental to America or Europe that gives power over Iran to dictate the terms of their own governance and to forbid it. Which is why you typically want to deal with these sorts of things through diplomacy and treaty.

Post #76


Good post.

 

[Tettsuo]

What!!!???

Are you like, totally unaware of all the killing, the terror, the "warmongering" Iran has been involved in? Or, are you just purposely choosing to ignore everything they've done?

Seriously...this HAS to be the all-time dumbest thing someone has ever said on DP>

Please feel free to show the entire board how stupid I am by listing all of the attacks Iran has done. Please include dates as well.

Again, the attacks IRAN has done with the dates. Thanks!!

 

[noonereal]

What!!!???

Are you like, totally unaware of all the killing, the terror, the "warmongering" Iran has been involved in? Or, are you just purposely choosing to ignore everything they've done?

Seriously...this HAS to be the all-time dumbest thing someone has ever said on DP>

You know, you can take out the word Iran and replace it with Israel.

 

[Tettsuo]

Post #1. The OP, for one.

Fail. The OP doesn't hate Israel.

 

[Pyrite]

The OP

One person does not amount to "progressive lunatics".

What in particular do you object to in the OP?

Be specific.

 

[Ikari]

I don't disagree with any of the above. But, I will ask this simple question... Would any of these attacks from the US and Israel have happened if Iran had nukes? If there are no attacks, doesn't that mean peace has been achieved?

IMO, it seems that the lack of nukes invites aggression from Israel and the US.

It brings up a legitimate argument that Iran may have in terms of having nukes as a deterrent. The US and Israel are nuclear powers with nuclear weapon systems, having nuclear powers continually attack and bomb your country is reason to claim that you need nuclear weapons as a deterrent against these attacks.

 

[Cameron]

Fail. The OP doesn't hate Israel.

Fail. The OP doesn't admit to hating Israel. Much the same way MAGA doesn't admit to hating black people.

 

[Mycroft]

Please feel free to show the entire board how stupid I am by listing all of the attacks Iran has done. Please include dates as well.

Again, the attacks IRAN has done with the dates. Thanks!!

Bullshit demand. Rejected.

Iran is behind almost ALL of the fighting that has been done in the middle east for more than a decade and before that, they fought directly with Iraq for almost a decade.

Iran is the most dangerous country in the middle east. And you want them to have nukes.

SMH...

 

[Pyrite]

Fail. The OP doesn't admit to hating Israel. Much the same way MAGA doesn't admit to hating black people.

Post #110


Copy and paste the portions of the OP that you believe show "hating Israel".

 

[VanceMack]

For most of my adult life, Israel has been working their asses off to drag the US into a war with Iran. On numerous occasions, Israel, with American weapons, has attacked and killed Iranians under the guise of self-preservation. Even after these unprovoked attacks, Iran has maintained a cool head and has taken every possible step to avoid war.

Now, in 2025, we have multiple attacks from the US and Israel against Iran, murdering civilians with the claim that Iran must never get their hands on a nuke. Why not? They haven't shown themselves to be warmongering in any way whatsoever. In fact, it's been the US and Israel who have shown themselves to be unworthy of having nukes, all the while telling us to fear the country that's been the victim of their aggression.

It seems like the only way the Middle East will be at peace is if they DO have a nuke. At least that'll discourage the West's attacks on their people.

Did your keyboard burst into flames when you typed that?

 

[Bodi]

Why Exactly Can't Iran Have a Nuke?​

Because of statements like this:

Iran general says Tehran aims to wipe Israel off the ‘global political map

Iran general says Tehran aims to wipe Israel off the ‘global political map’

Revolutionary Guard deputy leader Hossein Salami warns Israel that any war it starts 'will end with its elimination’

www.timesofisrael.com

For most of my adult life, Israel has been working their asses off to drag the US into a war with Iran. On numerous occasions, Israel, with American weapons, has attacked and killed Iranians under the guise of self-preservation. Even after these unprovoked attacks, Iran has maintained a cool head and has taken every possible step to avoid war.

You don't know much about Iran sponsoring terrorists or attacks in Israel.

Now, in 2025, we have multiple attacks from the US and Israel against Iran, murdering civilians with the claim that Iran must never get their hands on a nuke. Why not? They haven't shown themselves to be warmongering in any way whatsoever. In fact, it's been the US and Israel who have shown themselves to be unworthy of having nukes, all the while telling us to fear the country that's been the victim of their aggression.

LOL

Hamas and Iran are longtime allies. Did Tehran help with its attack on Israel?

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/09/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack-analysis-intl/index.html

It seems like the only way the Middle East will be at peace is if they DO have a nuke. At least that'll discourage the West's attacks on their people.

And allow that general to wipe Israel off the map.

For ****'s Sake...


.

 

[Tettsuo]

Fail. The OP doesn't admit to hating Israel. Much the same way MAGA doesn't admit to hating black people.

What a bizarre assertion.

I can say MAGA hates black people and use actual comments and incidents to support the belief.

You cannot reference anything I've said or done that would provide evidence that I hate Israel. If so, feel free to put me on blast and prove my hate for Israel. I'd love to see it.

 

[Pyrite]

Bullshit demand. Rejected.

Iran is behind almost ALL of the fighting that has been done in the middle east for more than a decade and before that, they fought directly with Iraq for almost a decade.

Wow. Iran is the country that has been bombing Gaza? Iran is the country that has been enforcing a crippling embargo of Gaza for nearly 20 years? Iran is the country that has been dispossessing, displacing, starving Palestinians in Gaza?

Explain.

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Post #111

 

[Cameron]

One person does not amount to "progressive lunatics".

What in particular do you object to in the OP?

Be specific.

The entirety of it. If you insist on me being more selective in what is moronic about it, how about:

Even after these unprovoked attacks, Iran has maintained a cool head and has taken every possible step to avoid war.

Ridiculous bullshit. Iran is a top supporter of terrorism around the world. Iran also knew about Oct. 7th in advance, and so could have prevented every single thing the OP is complaining about, but didn't, because they were "supportive in principle" of that unprovoked attack (words of the NYTimes).

Now, in 2025, we have multiple attacks from the US and Israel against Iran, murdering civilians with the claim that Iran must never get their hands on a nuke. Why not? They haven't shown themselves to be warmongering in any way whatsoever. In fact, it's been the US and Israel who have shown themselves to be unworthy of having nukes, all the while telling us to fear the country that's been the victim of their aggression.

It seems like the only way the Middle East will be at peace is if they DO have a nuke. At least that'll discourage the West's attacks on their people.

The bolded statements in particular are bullshit, and are literally defending Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons, unlike the 5-7 things you accused me of saying in your previous posts, which I never said. OP is doing with Iran exactly what MAGA is doing with Russia, and you are defending him doing it.

 

[Tettsuo]

Because of statements like this:

Iran general says Tehran aims to wipe Israel off the ‘global political map

Iran general says Tehran aims to wipe Israel off the ‘global political map’

Revolutionary Guard deputy leader Hossein Salami warns Israel that any war it starts 'will end with its elimination’

www.timesofisrael.com

You don't know much about Iran sponsoring terrorists or attacks in Israel.

LOL

Hamas and Iran are longtime allies. Did Tehran help with its attack on Israel?

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/09/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack-analysis-intl/index.html

How interesting that you've not actually addressed the point of the thread.

In any case, Iran providing aid to HAMAs is bad, but they don't direct what HAMAs does. The US used Iraq, an entire country, to attack Iran. In fact, the US and Israel have done horrible acts of terrorism against Iran, directly.

There's no comparison.

Finally, would any of this have occurred if Iran had nukes?

 

[Pyrite]

The entirety of it. If you insist on me being more selective in what is moronic about it, how about:

Ridiculous bullshit. Iran is a top supporter of terrorism around the world. Iran also knew about Oct. 7th in advance, and so could have prevented every single thing the OP is complaining about, but didn't, because they were "supportive in principle" of that unprovoked attack (words of the NYTimes).

The bolded statements in particular are bullshit, and are literally defending Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons, unlike the 5-7 things you accused me of saying in your previous posts, which I never said. OP is doing with Iran exactly what MAGA is doing with Russia, and you are defending him doing it.

Post #117


So, you cannot copy and paste particular sentences in the OP that support your belief that some "progressive lunatics" "hate Israel".

 

[Tettsuo]

Did your keyboard burst into flames when you typed that?

What in that post was incorrect?

 

[Tigerace117]

The fact? So you have evidence?

Other than the DIA, you mean?

 

[MikePrime]

The entirety of it. If you insist on me being more selective in what is moronic about it, how about:

Ridiculous bullshit. Iran is a top supporter of terrorism around the world. Iran also knew about Oct. 7th in advance, and so could have prevented every single thing the OP is complaining about, but didn't, because they were "supportive in principle" of that unprovoked attack (words of the NYTimes).

The bolded statements in particular are bullshit, and are literally defending Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons, unlike the 5-7 things you accused me of saying in your previous posts, which I never said. OP is doing with Iran exactly what MAGA is doing with Russia, and you are defending him doing it.

Ive already tried being logical with this person, their ability to do isn't too great, youre talking to a can.

 

[Tettsuo]

Bullshit demand. Rejected.

Iran is behind almost ALL of the fighting that has been done in the middle east for more than a decade and before that, they fought directly with Iraq for almost a decade.

Iran is the most dangerous country in the middle east. And you want them to have nukes.

SMH...

Just as I thought, you've got nothing.

Thanks for letting me know.

 

[Pyrite]

Just as I thought, you've got nothing.

Thanks for letting me know.

This topic - reasons why Iran should not be permitted to acquire nuclear weapons - certainly does evoke strong reactions.

 

[Tigerace117]

The entirety of it. If you insist on me being more selective in what is moronic about it, how about:

Ridiculous bullshit. Iran is a top supporter of terrorism around the world. Iran also knew about Oct. 7th in advance, and so could have prevented every single thing the OP is complaining about, but didn't, because they were "supportive in principle" of that unprovoked attack (words of the NYTimes).

The bolded statements in particular are bullshit, and are literally defending Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons, unlike the 5-7 things you accused me of saying in your previous posts, which I never said. OP is doing with Iran exactly what MAGA is doing with Russia, and you are defending him doing it.

Israel has killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians. “October 7th” is about as relevant as the Spartacist Revolt in in Weimar Germany at this point.

The US, unlike Iran, has actually used nukes. The hysterics are laughble.