dthmstr254 said:this is off the topic, read the story of Job. he allowed for Job to go through persecution much worse than many people have to deal with. why did God allow for Job's children to die? for his land and wealth to be taken? all these things happened to Job, yet he still said, "the Lord giveth, he taketh away. Blessed be the name of the Lord!"
ravens24 said:Well, trying to get back on topic... I believe that God sent us on earth as a test. To prove our loyalty to him and to learn. I believe the Bible is true. I believe that we are to listen to and obey what the Bible tells us, and to uphold the morals and principles taught to us in the Bible. God gave us free will. The ability to choose right or wrong without him stopping us. If bad things didn't happen to good people then how would good people be able to learn? They wouldn't know what pain is or what is not good, thus eventually being lead into corruption and immorality. Unfortunately some very evil people choose to do very evil things, killing good people. I believe sometimes God will interfere and change things in nature to help and reward good people.
ravens24 said:I'm sick of this site
Old and wise said:Getting back to the title of this thread, God does not protect us because he (she, it) does not exist.
Old and wise said:Believers always give God credit for anything good that happens and everything bad is blamed on the devil.
Old and wise said:If God did exist and he was in control of everything, why would he even allow the existence of the devil?
because he promised the angels immortality by making them immortal, and He cannot break His promises. and no the devil doesnt cause every bad thing, God does send trials and hardships on us to test us. when He tests us we WILL come forth as gold. the devil can only do what God lets him do so dont go saying that God cant control the devil, cause He can see all that happens, all the way down to the smallest sparrow that falls out of its nest is seen by God.Old and wise said:Getting back to the title of this thread, God does not protect us because he (she, it) does not exist.
Believers always give God credit for anything good that happens and everything bad is blamed on the devil.
If God did exist and he was in control of everything, why would he even allow the existance of the devil?
Busta said:Indeed,leejosepho. The fallen Morning Star is serving his purpose.
What is your perspective of the [Revelation of יהושע (Y'Shua) Messiah]?
ravens24 said:God gave us free will.
ravens24 said:The ability to choose right or wrong without him stopping us. If bad things didn't happen to good people then how would good people be able to learn?
They wouldn't know what pain is or what is not good, thus eventually being lead into corruption and immorality.
ravens24 said:Unfortunately some very evil people choose to do very evil things, killing good people. I believe sometimes God will interfere and change things in nature to help and reward good people.
------------------------------------------------------------------Navy Pride said:I think this tells it all:
In light of the many perversions and jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke, it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.
Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this happen?" (regarding the attacks on Sept. 11).
Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives.
And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"
In light of recent events..terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.
Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school . the Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.
Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.
Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.
Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."
Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.
Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing.
Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.
Are you laughing?
Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they WILL think of you for sending it. Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.
Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in
taxpayer said:------------------------------------------------------------------
??????????????????????:roll: :roll: :roll: :doh
Now just WHICH GOD are you talking about?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------kal-el said:I believe he's talking about the "God" of a few madmen, while in their mystical delusions,and while shouting "God is great", crashed planes into buildings on 9/11. O, maybe he's talking about the "God" who spared the victims, O wait, he didn't. Instead 3,000 died. If he is all-powerful, as some people like to make-belive, then why would he need planes to destroy buildings? And why didn't he save the innocent people? O, that's right,because "God" is a dark-ages myth-that's all. "God" simply acts as a human lever for vengence.
taxpayer said:I see! I thought he was talking about the CONs GOD BUSH!!!:mrgreen:
you have a source for that???kal-el said:Yea, it does seem like Bush "walks on water" as far as the conservatives think, and Bush has a very distorted view of "God". For instance, 3 years ago when he said, "God told me to strike at Saddam", serves as further proof he is a nutjob.
you know how many should have been in that tower??? more than 9000 people were supposed to be there at that time. you know what, there are three types of evil: natural, unnatural, and hybrid.kal-el said:I believe he's talking about the "God" of a few madmen, while in their mystical delusions,and while shouting "God is great", crashed planes into buildings on 9/11. O, maybe he's talking about the "God" who spared the victims, O wait, he didn't. Instead 3,000 died. If he is all-powerful, as some people like to make-belive, then why would he need planes to destroy buildings? And why didn't he save the innocent people? O, that's right,because "God" is a dark-ages myth-that's all. "God" simply acts as a human lever for vengence.
dthmstr254 said:you have a source for that???
you know how many should have been in that tower??? more than 9000 people were supposed to be there at that time. you know what, there are three types of evil: natural, unnatural, and hybrid.
natural evil is evil which we have no choice about. ex: hurricanes, tornadoes and the like.
unnatural evil is evil which we choose to do. ex: lying, stealing, etc.
hybrid evil is evil which effects another man because of one man's choice. ex: war, 9/11, wildfires caused by careless smokers, etc.
people try to say that an all-powerful and all-loving God cannot exist because He has not destroyed evil. well, in Revelations, it prophecies that at the end of the tribulation God will put an end to all evil. they argue that God could have made evil impossible at the beginning. the problem is, that would take away free will. natural evil is caused by the punishment for the first sin, where God cursed the ground because of Adam's sin in the garden of Eden. unnatural and hybrid evil is caused because God gave us free will, and we chose evil over good.
the first one has this under the star wars branch, which immediately brings the credibility of it into question, I mean, how can you trust someone who thinks that Star Wars has a political side to some issue???kal-el said:Sure do:
http://www.patridiots.com/000552.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd06302003.html
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0630-04.htm
Let me know if you disregard my sources, I will be happy to provide you more.:2razz: But, I don't see why I need to provide any, do I really have to prove Bush is delussional?
Ok, so what's your point? Are you gonna say "God" saved 6,000 people? Dude, that is the great danger. A belief in a god who is described as a god of pity and love. Of course, the "holy scriptures" arrtributed to this imaginary man in the clouds, where always written by men, whose meanings were distorted throughout the centuries. If we are talking about the OT, the Koran, the Torah, all these mythological books compiled of there share of fairy stories contains there fair share of elements that encourage hate, intolerance, violence, and barbarity.
all I have to say is, "Good luck queen mary of scots, aka bloody mary." remember that throughout history, every attempt to wipe out Christianity has only made it grow even faster? seems kind of backwards, now doesn't it? how come every other religion that has been subjected to such treatment been destroyed while Christianity hasn't? there has to be something other than man behind it.Blah, blah, blah. :lol: You can keep your mythology. You seem to put too much stock in a book always written by man. I think in order to solvent this "terorrism" problem, we need to remove or totally sensor these stupid religious teachings. It is rather dumb to think that these asinine beliefs still hanging around from the dark ages, continues to keep us in its grip of suffering and violence. IMO, we need to prevent religions that incite hatred and violence to continue flourishing. I'm not talking about outlawing religion, since that's part of the human rights. When referring to hatred, certain religious texts are more dangerous than firearms, because they recommend their use to kill the "infildels."
dthmstr254 said:the first one has this under the star wars branch, which immediately brings the credibility of it into question, I mean, how can you trust someone who thinks that Star Wars has a political side to some issue???
could you please put a credible news source, such as CNN or Yahoo??? shoot, I even failed to find an archive of that on this or Volconvo, which is really sad, cause I know some liberal would post something like that up.
and you fail to see the whole picture. yes the Old Testament has a lot of war and mayhem going on, but the entire picture is of a loving and caring God who constantly fulfills His promises.
all I have to say is, "Good luck queen mary of scots, aka bloody mary." remember that throughout history, every attempt to wipe out Christianity has only made it grow even faster? seems kind of backwards, now doesn't it? how come every other religion that has been subjected to such treatment been destroyed while Christianity hasn't? there has to be something other than man behind it.
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