Why Does VP Harris not Return Salutes from Military?

[HumblePi]

I think every liberal who reads this should be ashamed.

I think every 'conservative' should have been ashamed when the president of the United States saluted a North Korean General. (no, that's not a presidential norm)

 

[BlueTex]

Yet the false military lovers/ patriots all agreed and cheered for him.

And cheered when he diverted funds for military housing and projects to make the lives of those serving so he could build a wall.

 

[bearpoker]

Yes, it was - before Trump came along. Any real Republican would have turned his or her back on a candidate who made such a disgusting statement.

But Trump devotees? No. They loved the guy. Because they hate the military as much as Trump does. They just pretended otherwise for years before he came along and exposed it.

I would say they love their idea of the military, but hate the actual military. They have to hate anything that challenges their alternate reality. They know a threat when they see one.

 

[mrjurrs]

But every VP since Reagan has. But the hen cackling Harris is somehow special

She is special, she realizes that she is a civilian. All the other VP's that salute? If they served I'll cut them some slack. Pence never served. Cheney never served. Quayle used personal influence to get into the National Guard during Vietnam. Saluting VP's? In general little boys that want to play army, not serve in one.
Biden never served, but now that he is CoC saluting is appropriate. VP Gore served in Vietnam.

 

[Integrityrespec]

She continues the behavior
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Vice President Kamala Harris is going through criticism for showing to interrupt with precedent and failing to salute the respect guard when boarding Air Drive Two.

Video reviewed by Fox Information confirmed that her predecessors, former Vice President Mike Pence and President Biden, usually saluted the respect guard in the identical state of affairs.

VP Harris repeatedly fails to salute navy on Air Drive Two, breaking with precedent | THE TIMES OF NEW YORK

Vice President Kamala Harris is going through criticism for showing to interrupt with precedent and failing to salute the respect guard when boarding Air

thetimesofnewyork.com

SHE'S A VICTIM! She has no respect only contempt for the military?

 

[Lafayette]

That sounds a lot like...

Presidents are not in the least bit obliged to release their tax records - but of course they may if so inclined ...

I don't think they should be obliged - but a government review of the tax-returns of all politicians (local, state and national) would be in order. After all, they ARE a Public Service and therefore why should their taxes not be scrutinized?

Thus, they owe we-th-sheeple a good measure of taxation-justice ...

 

[Mycroft]

I don't think they should be obliged - but a government review of the tax-returns of all politicians (local, state and national) would be in order. After all, they ARE a Public Service and therefore why should their taxes not be scrutinized?

Thus, they owe we-th-sheeple a good measure of taxation-justice ...

Who do you think should perform this "government review"? And why would this review be any different than the review the IRS already does on ALL American tax returns?

btw, what happens when someone who is involved in this government review leaks the information to people outside the government? How do you stop that from happening?

In any case, I only mentioned tax returns because your justification against saluting works for Presidents and their tax returns. My point to all those reading your justification is to be careful when they agree with you. It applies equally in other cases.

 

[RealityNow]

She continues the behavior
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Vice President Kamala Harris is going through criticism for showing to interrupt with precedent and failing to salute the respect guard when boarding Air Drive Two.

Video reviewed by Fox Information confirmed that her predecessors, former Vice President Mike Pence and President Biden, usually saluted the respect guard in the identical state of affairs.

VP Harris repeatedly fails to salute navy on Air Drive Two, breaking with precedent | THE TIMES OF NEW YORK

Vice President Kamala Harris is going through criticism for showing to interrupt with precedent and failing to salute the respect guard when boarding Air

thetimesofnewyork.com

Did it ever dawn on any of these "drama spinner" that she is not "The Commander In Chief" !!! I'm pretty sure all the Military Personnel is aware of that fact.
We don't have a label or title known as VP Commander In Chief" -- T

The President as Commander In Chief, has a "Secretary of Defense", There is also, The Joint Chiefs of Staff which is the body of the most senior uniformed leaders within the United States Department of Defense, that advises The President of the United States, The Secretary of Defense, The Homeland Security Council and the National Security Council on military matters - No where in that framework does the word Vice President show up.


Geez... American Republicans DESPERATE need a course in The Civics of American Democracy and The American Governing System. next these dumb ass will be wining because the First Lady does not Stand At Attention and Salute. It would not be surprising for them to start asking why the family dogs of the President does not "heel" a the presence of Military Personnel. (Republicans seem to chase anything for a drama spin, from Mr. Potato Head, to Dr. Seuss.. and now this.... )

 

[upsideguy]

She continues the behavior
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Vice President Kamala Harris is going through criticism for showing to interrupt with precedent and failing to salute the respect guard when boarding Air Drive Two.

Video reviewed by Fox Information confirmed that her predecessors, former Vice President Mike Pence and President Biden, usually saluted the respect guard in the identical state of affairs.

VP Harris repeatedly fails to salute navy on Air Drive Two, breaking with precedent | THE TIMES OF NEW YORK

Vice President Kamala Harris is going through criticism for showing to interrupt with precedent and failing to salute the respect guard when boarding Air

thetimesofnewyork.com

That the lady you voted in as VP displays her total lack of respect for our US military is what should make you feel ashamed...for her actions and for yours.

The President is in the military chain of command, by definition a superior officer. The Vice President is not. Its not really appropriate that she is saluted or returns the salute.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-03-24/pentagon-kamala-harris-doesnt-have-to-return-salutes-if-she-doesnt-want-to

 

[joko104]

Biden is Commander In Chief. Harris is not and does not have the slightest status with the military. I see no reason for anyone in the military to salute her or for her to salute anyone in the military.

 

[joko104]

Trump calls soldiers and vets losers and suckers and calls general cowards, Trumpsters are OK with that though.... lol

No, Trump never said that. No one person said he did and everyone present said it is a lie.
What IS a fact is that Biden called military personnel in a forward base often in combat "slow," "dull," "stupid" and "bastards." It's on video.

 

[notquiteright]

She continues the behavior,

And the rabid right continues to want a civilian, not in the chain of command, to salute an honor guard....

Back in the day I was a grunt. I was a bit uncomfortable when President Reagan started the 'tradition'. We should note Eisenhower and Truman, both vets who served outside of Hollywood, didn't salute the Honor Guard.

But an actor decided he wanted to salute the Honor Guard and suddenly it's a requirement to 'show respect'....

 

[upsideguy]

No, Trump never said that. No one person said he did and everyone present said it is a lie.

Actually, there is a pretty good track record to tell us that Trump has a great deal of disdain for the military, starting with his refusal to serve.

Trump Has Mocked the U.S. Military His Whole Life

Egged on by his father, the U.S. president began expressing contempt for Americans who fight in wars as far back as high school, his classmates…

foreignpolicy.com

Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’

The president has repeatedly disparaged the intelligence of service members, and asked that wounded veterans be kept out of military parades, multiple sources tell The Atlantic.

www.theatlantic.com

Opinion: Trump's disdain for our military is well-documented

Even before his reported comments calling fallen servicemen “losers” and “suckers,“ Donald Trump demonstrated-- and continues to demonstrate-- his disdain for the American military and those who serve in it.

www.easternecho.com

Trump says he supports the troops. His record suggests otherwise.

The president portrays himself as a champion of troops. But next month's West Point graduation, in the midst of a pandemic, says otherwise: Our view

www.usatoday.com

What IS a fact is that Biden called military personnel in a forward base often in combat "slow," "dull," "stupid" and "bastards." It's on video.

NOPE! .... only when taken out of context what you say its true. But taken in context, you know, the truth, you are out to lunch.

Fact check: Biden’s 2016 ‘stupid bastards’ remark to U.S. Military intended as joke

Users on social media say presidential candidate Joe Biden called service members “stupid bastards” to insult or disrespect his audience. While the quote is authentic, Biden’s remark is missing context: footage of the event shows then-Vice President Biden was asking the...

www.reuters.com

 

[joko104]

Actually, there is a pretty good track record to tell us that Trump has a great deal of disdain for the military, starting with his refusal to serve.

Trump Has Mocked the U.S. Military His Whole Life

Egged on by his father, the U.S. president began expressing contempt for Americans who fight in wars as far back as high school, his classmates…

foreignpolicy.com

Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’

The president has repeatedly disparaged the intelligence of service members, and asked that wounded veterans be kept out of military parades, multiple sources tell The Atlantic.

www.theatlantic.com

Opinion: Trump's disdain for our military is well-documented

Even before his reported comments calling fallen servicemen “losers” and “suckers,“ Donald Trump demonstrated-- and continues to demonstrate-- his disdain for the American military and those who serve in it.

www.easternecho.com

Trump says he supports the troops. His record suggests otherwise.

The president portrays himself as a champion of troops. But next month's West Point graduation, in the midst of a pandemic, says otherwise: Our view

www.usatoday.com

NOPE! .... only when taken out of context what you say its true. But taken in context, you know, the truth, you are out to lunch.

Fact check: Biden’s 2016 ‘stupid bastards’ remark to U.S. Military intended as joke

Users on social media say presidential candidate Joe Biden called service members “stupid bastards” to insult or disrespect his audience. While the quote is authentic, Biden’s remark is missing context: footage of the event shows then-Vice President Biden was asking the...

www.reuters.com

The names Biden called of "slow," "dull," stupid" "bastards" speak for themselves and exactly were in the context of insults. He announced his appointing a woman to attend the Air Force Academy. When no one cheered he ORDERED them to "applaud" and called them "dumb, slow stupid bastards" in insulting anger because they wouldn't applaud him.

 

[Atomic Kid]

She didn't care when our military was sleeping in a cold parking garage in the dead of winter with one bathroom for 5,000 male and female soldiers. She didn't care when they were getting snacks instead of real food. She didn't care when they finally got real food and then got sick because is was undercooked and had metal shavings in it.

Dude...don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. I don't give a rat's ass what she says...it's all bullshit. Look at what she does. Total disrespect. Hell, just wait till she signs legislation to cut the budgets of the military and the VA. (And she will.)

Look at what she does...not what she says.

No one is pissing on your leg. It's just you pissing into the wind again with another baseless claim. No lawmakers, republican or democrat, were aware of the Guard being moved from the Capitol to that parking garage. That was due to some sort of snafu between the Guard and the Capitol Police and the lawmakers quickly rectified that situation the very next day. After what Cadet Bonespurs has said to denigrate Gold Star families, US war dead and POWs and the events of January 6 you don't get to preach to us or anyone else as what passes for patriotism or respect. And actually Presidents, Vice Presidents, or politicians in general, returning the salute of military personnel isn't even a real thing. There's nothing in military protocols or government protocols that even mentions it, much less require it. And really that is probably the way it should be so as to avoid stupid shit like this happening.

 

[Lafayette]

THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE - A COLOSSAL MISTAKE IN OUR DEMOCRACY

Who do you think should perform this "government review"? And why would this review be any different than the review the IRS already does on ALL American tax returns?

And how is itthat the IRS missed all the shat that Donald Dork has created in his tax-returns?

Do you think the IRS is not blamable for the fraud he has committed? The guy is a sick, sick man. He already has at least 25 women with court cases against him for rape!

See Wikipedia article here: Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations

Donald Trump

, the former president of the United States, has been accused of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment, including non-consensual kissing or groping, by at least 25 women since the 1970s. The accusations have resulted in three instances of litigation: his then-wife Ivana made a rape claim during their 1989 divorce litigation but later recanted that claim; businesswoman Jill Harth sued Trump in 1997 alleging breach of contract while also suing for sexual harassment but agreed to forfeit her sexual harassment claim as part of a settlement she received relating to the former suit; and, in 2017, former The Apprentice contestant Summer Zervos filed a defamation lawsuit after Trump accused her of lying about her sexual misconduct allegations against him ...

His tax returns are in the hands of professional auditors. Let's be patient and see what they report after inspecting his Tax Returns from his years previous to the presidency. (Which, had we known then, would more than likely of assuring him surely losing the elections in 2016!

He never should have been PotUS! Never! Ever!

He never won a popular-vote election for the presidency. He won a cockamamie vote in the Electoral College - which has been a mistake in voting that has been repeated five-times in the history of the US.

Wakey, wakey ... !

 

[Lafayette]

THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE - A COLOSSAL MISTAKE IN OUR DEMOCRACY

Wakey, wakey ... !

Also note this from the same link as above:

From Bloomberg "Politics and Policies":

Politics & Policy: The Many Unintended Consequences of the Electoral College

Excerpt:

For 230 years, lawmakers have been trying to improve our flawed system for picking presidents. Will they ever succeed?

When it came time in 1787 to set the rules for choosing a president of the U.S., three of the principal authors of the Constitution — James Madison, Gouverneur Morris and James Wilson — argued that the best approach, the one most likely to inspire public confidence and national feeling, would be a nationwide popular vote.

All three also understood the prospects of this happening were, as Wilson put it, “chimerical.” It was obvious the method would instead have to reflect the two great (or awful, if you prefer) compromises hammered out at the Constitutional Convention over political representation. To keep the slave-holding states on board, the delegates had apportioned seats in the House of Representatives on the basis of a population count that considered slaves to be three-fifths of a person. And to assuage the smaller states they had created a Senate with two members per state, regardless of population.

States were thus allotted presidential votes on the basis of how many Senators and House members they had. At first the plan was simply to have the members of Congress vote. But fears this would make the legislature too powerful led the delegates to create what later came to be known as the Electoral College, with the manner of its choosing left to the individual states. If no candidate got a majority of the electoral votes, then the decision went to the House of Representatives — albeit with each state delegation getting only one vote, in yet another concession to the small states.

It’s fair to say the men who designed this system did not entirely think it through. Complaints began springing up almost as soon as it went into effect and have continued ever since.

 

[Peter King]

No, Trump never said that. No one person said he did and everyone present said it is a lie.
What IS a fact is that Biden called military personnel in a forward base often in combat "slow," "dull," "stupid" and "bastards." It's on video.

Actually several people confirmed that Trump did say that.
And Biden made his remarks in jest, not as an insult. Trump according to people in the know did not make a joke when e called the soldiers losers.

 

[Tangmo]

There are Republicans that can read?

Where?

MSNBC.

 

[Mycroft]

THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE - A COLOSSAL MISTAKE IN OUR DEMOCRACY

Your deflection to the electoral college is irrelevant.

Dismissed.

And how is itthat the IRS missed all the shat that Donald Dork has created in his tax-returns?

What stuff did the IRS miss?

Do you think the IRS is not blamable for the fraud he has committed? The guy is a sick, sick man. He already has at least 25 women with court cases against him for rape!

See Wikipedia article here: Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump

Why should the IRS be blamed for something you imagine Trump did?

Your deflection to sex is irrelevant.

Dismissed.

His tax returns are in the hands of professional auditors. Let's be patient and see what they report after inspecting his Tax Returns from his years previous to the presidency. (Which, had we known then, would more than likely of assuring him surely losing the elections in 2016!

He never should have been PotUS! Never! Ever!

He never won a popular-vote election for the presidency. He won a cockamamie vote in the Electoral College - which has been a mistake in voting that has been repeated five-times in the history of the US.

Wakey, wakey ... !

In fact, this entire post is irrelevant to the issue you have raised.

" but a government review of the tax-returns of all politicians (local, state and national) would be in order. After all, they ARE a Public Service and therefore why should their taxes not be scrutinized? "

Take your TDS elsewhere.

You are dismissed.

 

[Juks]

*LOL* Say what you will... but none of us ever bought into Sidney Powell's crap.

Hell, I bet you STILL buy into it.

I bet you he don't...

 

[Lafayette]

FALSE PRIDE

(Republicans seem to chase anything for a drama spin, from Mr. Potato Head, to Dr. Seuss.. and now this.... )

Throughout history and way, way back into the Dark Ages, this sort of sickening mindset has come once again recently to the political fore. Back in time, of course, there was no such thing as a "democracy", which became a real political force in the mid-19th century with America as its primary ideal.

There were still on earth what are called "demagogues" (and there still are). That word was first coined as meaning this here:
"A leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power&wealth - and keep it through generations of the same or similar family".

This "political notion" nowadays that we have "politics" and not just "royalty" that decided everything) is still - to my mind - in a formative-phase. There are a lot of countries that put together what they "think" is a True Democracy, but isn't. Not yet.

The history of democracy started in France when it was the first European nation to overthrow its king. That democracy was full of good intent but started off on the wrong foot. After centuries of demagoguery.

MY POINT

And the intent of that phrase is that "democracy" is not a belief that suits all people. And certainly NOT demagogues. Which goes by this definition (from here) - "The action of winning support by exciting the emotions of ordinary people rather than by having good or morally correct notions/ideas".

And I would add to "ideas" the very good word of "ideal", which is very close to meaning "perfect".

Of course, sometimes ideals are not "perfect". And I have become convinced that in Uncle Sam's mad rush to create billionaires his "ideal" of a fair and accommodating governance of "all a nation's people" is not now and never was "perfect". Whyzzat?

Because any nation on earth consists of human-beings and each of them has a "right to freedom and economic contentment". Which is why we have a competitive economic system and why Communism (with its same income economic-level for ALL members) became a "farce". Russia has dumped Communism, and China today is perhaps the only large nation on earth to think it is communist in nature.

China treats presently a few of Chinese-rich very badly as a lesson to others. Which is why the wealthy scatter to the West Coast of Canada and the US in order to enjoy their immense wealth most of which was banked there from the "get-go".... !

A "True Democracy" is not just the freedom to do whatever you want whenever you want. (For instance, accumulate immense wealth and "live-like-a-king".) It is a entity in which a great-many people try to enjoy their existence by holding property upon which they build "families" and thus "enjoy" their existence.

And there is no need whatsoever for some people to accumulate immense wealth in a nation where perfidious presidents reduce upper-income taxation to foster the collection of immense-wealth that some families can show to the world in a fit of false-pride ...

 

[Razoo]

She is not the commander in chief .......and she is not a military person. She is not in uniform.

A return salute or any salute is not required when not in a uniform.

 

[Razoo]

She continues the behavior
——


Vice President Kamala Harris is going through criticism for showing to interrupt with precedent and failing to salute the respect guard when boarding Air Drive Two.

Video reviewed by Fox Information confirmed that her predecessors, former Vice President Mike Pence and President Biden, usually saluted the respect guard in the identical state of affairs.

VP Harris repeatedly fails to salute navy on Air Drive Two, breaking with precedent | THE TIMES OF NEW YORK

Vice President Kamala Harris is going through criticism for showing to interrupt with precedent and failing to salute the respect guard when boarding Air

thetimesofnewyork.com

Fake news jerked your chain and you fell for it making a fool of yourself. Obviously this fake news source has no idea about saluting protocol........ neither do you.

Frankly I've never understood why any president has saluted in civilian dress. This is not Russia, China or Iran or Iraq.

 

[VySky]

Fake news jerked your chain and you fell for it making a fool of yourself. Obviously this fake news source has no idea about saluting protocol........ neither do you.

Frankly I've never understood why any president has saluted in civilian dress. This is not Russia, China or Iran or Iraq.

40 years of precedent but she’s a trailblazer. She scores points from the kneeled position