Why do they hate us?

[righton]

I believe thier religion goes back about 6000 years

Who religion. If you mean Islam. It is only 1400 years.
It is only a fool who believe otehrwise.

And how did you know this? Did you get an email recently?

Take a look at this list below. Then try to convince others that it doesn't have an Islamic smell to it.

Conflicts around the world involved with fundamentalist Muslims.

1. USA - Muslims on 9/11 attack on WTC in NY. Kills 3000 innocent civilians.
2. RUSSIA - Muslims attack in Moscow theater killed 118 innocent civilians. Kill 530 innocent women & children in a school.
3. AUSTRALIA – An immigrant Muslims from Lebanon, gang rape an Australian girl.
4. SRI LANKA - Muslims attack Christians Hindu and Chinese, causing riots and death and destruction
5. SINGAPORE - Muslims attacking Christians Hindu and Chinese
6. MALAYSIA - Muslims attack Christians and Hindus and Chinese.
7. KASHMIR - Muslims burn Hindus, constant attacks on innocent people.
8. INDIA - Muslims blow up temples full of people. Constant attacks on innocent people.
9. PHILIPPINES - Muslims kidnap rape and kill Western civilians. Demanding for separate Islamic state. Abu Sayyaf kills 182 Western tourists in Bali resort.
10. SOMALIA - Muslims committing genocide on Christians (all dead or gone)WOMEN AND KIDS ENSLAVED killing UN aid workers.
11. SUDAN - Muslims also committing Genocide on Christians in Darfur region. Killing UN aid workers
12. SERBIA - Muslims attack Christian Serbs and churches.
13. BOSNIA & HERZEGOVINA - Muslims Bomb churches beating Christians
14. IRAQ - Muslims Kill neighboring Muslims and infidels oppressing all non-Islamics.
15. ISREAL – Muslim-Palestinians slaughter Jewish civilians and children.
16. INDONESIA - Muslims murder “infidels”, teachers and destroy churches (Christmas eve) and ethnic homes and businesses. Rape and attack Christians
18. BANGLADESH - Muslims kidnap enslave, murders, bombings.
19. SAUDI ARABIA - Muslims hijacked US planes and fly into populated buildings, oppression of all other religion and killing opponents. Kill other Muslims in a Car Bombing.
20. YEMEN - Muslims blow up USS ships (Cole) and attack foreign nationals.
21. CHINA - Muslims undermine the governments slow acceptance of capitalism with guerrilla attacks on industry and usual threats and harassment
22. PAKISTAN - Muslims attack and kill foreign civilians and other innocent Christians trying to assist
23. SIERRA LEONE - Muslims slaughter of Christians.
24. UGANDA - Muslims genocide of Christians, Muslims calling for separate state.
25. RWANDA - Muslims genocide of Christians, calling for separate Islamic state
26. ZIMBABWE - Muslims murder Christians, deportations and harassment
27. CONGO - Muslims Murder Christians. Demanding for separate Islamic state
28. NIGERIA - Muslims kill Christians. Again calling for separate Islamic state.
29. NAMIBIA - Muslims committing genocide of Christians. Calling for separate Islamic state
30.SOUTH AFRICA - Muslims persecute Christians. Calling for separate Islamic state
31.ALGERIA - Muslims behead Christian priests, churches destroyed. Demanding Sharia Law throughout the country.
32. ENGLAND - Muslims in Race riots 2001 get ready for more! Beating up innocent old ladies and men and killing and raping teens.
33. AZERBAIJAN - Muslims harass Christians are jailed, deported or killed. Churches burned or boarded up
34. IVORY COAST - Muslims commit genocide of Christians
35.CHECHNYA - Muslims blow up police stations and churches, killing telecoms workers and innocents.
36.AFGHANISTAN - Muslims (Islamists) attack Americans and killing each other over fundamentalist Islamic Rule.
37.SPAIN – Muslims blow up a commuter train killing 192 innocent civilians.
38.IRAQ – Muslims kidnap, and kill another Muslims. 100,000 so far and counting.
39. ENGLAND: 07 July 2005. Muslims blow themselves up in subway station, and Bus in the heart of London. Score of innocent people die.
40. EGYPT. August, 2004 & 2005. Muslims blow up hotels in Sinai Peninsula. Score of tourist from Europe are killed.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by righton:
38.IRAQ – Muslims kidnap, and kill another Muslims. 100,000 so far and counting.

This is bullshit! The US has more to do with this than the muslims as you call them.

 

[nefarious_plot]

Its funny that demonstartion was mentioned. When the current admin has done more then any other in trying to deny Americans the right to protest.

The rest of the statments are just the usuall bigoted generalzations of 1/3rd the population of the planet.

 

[mikeey]

Billo_Really well said my could friend.

regards mikeey

 

[Josh Man]

Because we are free and they hate freedom!

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

Because we are free and they hate freedom!

Then why are we giving them democracy!

 

[nefarious_plot]

Then why are we giving them democracy!

Clasic responce.

Also why don't they hate all the free nations of Scandavia, Western Europe, Japan, India...? Becuase those countrys dont meddle in there affairs.

Another thing. Rednecks must understand that there is nobody that wants American type goverment not even American allies.

 

[righton]

galenrox

So what? What are you trying to imply, that all terrorists are muslim, or all muslims are terrorists? Cause on either front you'd be full of ****.

Well, give me a similar list with the same deeds involving Christians, Jews, or Hindus. Then we will see which one of us is full of ......................

Per capita, Muslims contribute more then their fair share of killing, destruction and terror against innocent civilians.

 

[nefarious_plot]

per capita my caboose dde. you dont even know how many of them there are. TThis is just mroe bigoted nonesence.

 

[nkgupta80]

Well, give me a similar list with the same deeds involving Christians, Jews, or Hindus. Then we will see which one of us is full of ......................

hindu extremists have committed their fair share of atrocities, as have christian extremists, and zionist extremists. I think that the Islamic religion is still somewhat stuck in the past. All other religions have been taking steps towards reform, but Islam in the Mid East is still embracing fundementalism. I'd say that this can be partly attribute to the economic/social state of the people in the area.

But just to prove you wrong, Two hundred muslims in india, and another 250million in indonesia are all peaceful, reformed muslims.

 

[Snoozin]

Do you know any Muslims personally?

Because none of what you say accurately portrays current Muslim culture or thought.

Why Muslims Hate America?
A very poignant and pervasive question these days – isn't it.?
To answer that question, lets examine who are the HATERS and whom are the HATED.

THE HATERS: Those fundamentalist Islamic Ummah (nation) which was formed some 1400 years ago. History shows that this nation indeed had a brief history of progress and human development during the 8th - 11th centuries. However, since then this nation has been stagnant in all level of human development. Such that, It can not credit itself with a single accomplishment, nor a single contribution to which enhances the lives of humanity. Not in science, not in Medicine, nor any other field.
Societies which 1400 years later, they still have not changed their nomadic and Bedouin way of life, and social norms, while the rest of the world has passed them by – AND they still proud of it.

THE HATED: Those Judea-Christian western Democratic societies whom have lifted themselves out of dark ages, to become self sufficient as today. Flourishing states where people from all walks of life are free to speak their mind. Free to practice their respective religions. Free to live their lives as they choose.

They hate us because will refuse to give up our 2000 & 4500 year religions and heritage and replace it with their 1400 year religion.

They hate us because, we will not replace our constitution with their Sharia.

They hate us because, we can publicly express objections to our own governments policies – and they can't.

They hate us because, we no longer behead people in public

They hate us because we provide due process to any accused individual before sentencing.

They hate us because, their fundamentalists still can't understand why we don't bow to them for their glories of 1000 years ago.

They hate us because, while each year, we graduate more doctors, engineers, Physicists, Chemists and Architects. They produce more homicide bombers, and others purveyors of death and distraction.

They hate us because, while we invest in medical and other scientific research in stem cells, cancer treatment, in an effort to find cure to various diseases. They invest in more useless Mosques, and more palaces for their corrupt rulers.

They hate us because, despite their vast oil resources, they still can't feed their people, and beg the U.S. And other western countries for food.

They hate us because, they can't explain why group of 1400 million people, had produced only 6 Nobel Laureates. While another group of only 14 Million people, had so far produced over 163.

They hate us because, they can't explain, why a 20% of the world population, they produce the lowers number of books in area of Natural and Social science per capita then others.

They hate us because, we render them as impotent and powerless in the 20th century.

They hate us because they are so confused & bewildered. One one side their clerics mislead them to believe of that non-existence Islamic superiority over the Judea-Christian societies. And they can't do much to stop these clergies

They hate use because, many of the same fundamentalists, still can't explain why they are so dependent on the western invented and produced knowledge based product & services.

They hate us because, we object to the prospect of them annihilating 6.5M Jews by the hand of 350M Arabs & Muslims.

They hate us because, they have no other choice but to blindly follow their Imams and dictators dictum to hate us.

They hate us because, hate and revenge against another human being is the main lesson given to every innocent child in the 100,000 madrases around the world.

They hate us because, we teach our children to love and appreciate life. While, because of their backward social norms, they are forced to allow their Imams and mullahs to teach their children the glory of death and hatred of others.

They hate us because, despite the tens of millions of Russians, German, Japanese, Americans, Jews, Christians, whom had lost their lives during WWII. We the Western societies, all have found constructive ways to set our tragedies aside, look forward, and build a better lives for our future generations. And they still consumed by revenge for some perceived injustice perpetrated against them by the “infidels” generations ago.

They hate us because, Muslim fundamentalists can not overcome their hollow and useless pride. Set aside their hatred of Jews, and help millions of Palestinians, who merely lost few possessions, to a better life

And finally,
They hate us because, that is the only form of public demonstration Arab & Muslims are allowed in their own countries.

(source: righton)

 

[Billo_Really]

Here's one of the reasons why they hate us. Because we don't give a damn about them. One of the big questions has been how many Iraqi civilians have died as a result of our illegal invasion. You can't go to the US military for the answer because they say they are not keeping count of those statistics. Why? Well according to one Pentagon official that was interviewed by the Miami Herald had this to say:

I asked Pentagon officials: ''How many Iraqis have been killed in this war?'' The answers were given ''on background'' -- meaning that the Pentagon spokesmen requested anonymity. The spokesmen were honest. They clearly were following orders from the policymakers when they replied that the Iraqi fatality toll was simply not our concern.

The reply to my first Pentagon call was: ``We don't track them (Iraqi dead).''
Weeks later I pursued the question and was told by a Defense Department official: ''They don't count. They are not important,'' meaning the casualty figures.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/090703F.shtml

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Josh Man:
Because we are free and they hate freedom!

This is bullshit! Welcome to debate politics.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by Gandhi>Bush:
Then why are we giving them democracy!

Uuummm, 'cause we care?

 

[nefarious_plot]

Nobody wants a US form of goverment. The racists bable about Islam is a waste of time.

Consitant interfeance and occupation of the Region by the west is the problem. You have been foreign invaders for a long time. before the Americnas it was the British. They dont want your culture on there land. It has nothing to do with Americans supposed "freedom". Hee Haw Lee Greenwood babbling comes up with..."Cause they hate us" Its a simple tag line for a simple mind.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by nefarious_plot:
Nobody wants a US form of goverment. The racists bable about Islam is a waste of time.

Consitant interfeance and occupation of the Region by the west is the problem. You have been foreign invaders for a long time. before the Americnas it was the British. They dont want your culture on there land. It has nothing to do with Americans supposed "freedom". Hee Haw Lee Greenwood babbling comes up with..."Cause they hate us" Its a simple tag line for a simple mind.

We don't have any right going around and telling sovereign nations how to do their business.

 

[Snoozin]

Hmmmm, you should spend some time in Egypt, the middle eastern nation with the largest number of Muslims. Generally speaking, they love Americans, and everything American. They *don't* like the Iraqi war, but they certainly don't hate us.

And actually, Sharia law is very similar to a democracy, holds very similar values. The corruption of this ethic that you see has to do with dictatorships and power plays in the middle east, not Islam itself per se.

We really have a good opportunity to work *with* middle eastern and south asian nations to promote (but not forcefully impose) a more democratic ideal.

 

[cnredd]

Hmmmm, you should spend some time in Egypt, the middle eastern nation with the largest number of Muslims. Generally speaking, they love Americans, and everything American. They *don't* like the Iraqi war, but they certainly don't hate us.

And actually, Sharia law is very similar to a democracy, holds very similar values. The corruption of this ethic that you see has to do with dictatorships and power plays in the middle east, not Islam itself per se.

We really have a good opportunity to work *with* middle eastern and south asian nations to promote (but not forcefully impose) a more democratic ideal.

If I may be self-serving for a second...

I reinforced your comments with the thread..."Support for Terror Wanes Among Muslim Publics" in this forum...

It shows that fanaticism isn't as widespread as thought...and is actually decining...The thought of democracy is increasing...

 

[Snoozin]

If I may be self-serving for a second...

I reinforced your comments with the thread..."Support for Terror Wanes Among Muslim Publics" in this forum...

It shows that fanaticism isn't as widespread as thought...and is actually decining...The thought of democracy is increasing...

Yeah, I saw that, and no you are not being self-serving. I was going to respond to your other thread but don't have time as I'm rushing out the door.

But I totally agree with you. Egypt is, well, not quite on the brink of democracy, but they are absolutely in favor of having a fair representative system over there. I can only speak of Egypt because that's the nation I know personally, although I'm sure it is a trend in other Arab nations as well.
I was surprised to not see Egypt included in those graphs; I only skimmed the articles though.

I also subscribe to various Muslim newsletters here in the US, and they are constantly putting out an anti-terrorist message. That doesn't seem to get picked up by the press too much.

But there's definitely hope. :smile:

 

[LiberalMatrix]

If Iraq is So Bad, Why Aren’t We Pulling Out of Detroit?

Antiwar protestors and car alarms have a lot in common. They are obnoxiously loud, get set off too easily, and alert you to situations far less serious than they sound. There is also one more; they are usually ignored by everyone around them because their noise never seems to end.

In an otherwise slow news summer, Cindy Sheehan, the soon to be forgot pawn of the left, has tried to fuel the antiwar cause through personalizing the losses of American troops in Iraq. So, every American soldier who has fallen in Iraq has a mother, there is a news flash. And, in yet another example of investigative journalism at its best, the main stream media has determined that most of these mothers have been devastated by the loss of a child in the War and wishes it had not happened. However, the left’s concerns for the mothers of the fallen and their propaganda that American casualties indicate a loosing war effort are disingenuous at best. They are far more concerned with embarrassing President Bush than portraying anything accurate about the War or giving the proper honor and support to the families of the fallen.

http://www.liberalmatrix.com/conflict_JD_05_08_23.html

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by LiberalMatrix:
Antiwar protestors and car alarms have a lot in common. They are obnoxiously loud, get set off too easily, and alert you to situations far less serious than they sound. There is also one more; they are usually ignored by everyone around them because their noise never seems to end.

In an otherwise slow news summer, Cindy Sheehan, the soon to be forgot pawn of the left, has tried to fuel the antiwar cause through personalizing the losses of American troops in Iraq. So, every American soldier who has fallen in Iraq has a mother, there is a news flash. And, in yet another example of investigative journalism at its best, the main stream media has determined that most of these mothers have been devastated by the loss of a child in the War and wishes it had not happened. However, the left’s concerns for the mothers of the fallen and their propaganda that American casualties indicate a loosing war effort are disingenuous at best. They are far more concerned with embarrassing President Bush than portraying anything accurate about the War or giving the proper honor and support to the families of the fallen.

Your article here compares the crime in American cities such as Detroit with the death toll in Iraq. I don't think this is the best analogy to be using for one simple reason, Iraq is not part of the United States. It is a completely separate country altogether. Saying that no one is protesting that the cops should leave Detroit and other cities because their combined homicides are more than the death toll over there, is comparing apples and oranges. We did not invade Detroit. We do not have occupation troops in Detroit. We do not drop cluster bombs in Detroit. We do not use depleted uranium munitions in Detroit. We do not shoot innocent protesters or journalists in Detroit. We do not have a "green zone" in Detroit where the city council and mayors office reside and run the city completely disconnected from the population it serves.

This article also equates anti-war protesters with criminals and malcontents. Something I find offensive. Have you ever heard of Thomas Paine? Do you know how un-American it is to catagorize protesters this way? Granted some are. But certainly not the majority that for the most part are good, tax paying and voting Americans that care about the direction there country is going.

If Iraq was so god-damn noble a cause, how come the entire world is against us? This quote from your article really, really sucks.

The Democrats will never talk about these numbers because they do not benefit them politically. They are getting more mileage out of distorting the truth about Iraq than admitting to what it is: A just cause, a noble effort, and an American victory.

 

[nefarious_plot]

Theres just no validity to this whinning that people want to just hurt Bush. That idiot is not that important. death in vain is the most important. I could care less who the current white house weasel is.

 

[Michael Zaretski]

Why do you think the terrorists feel the way they do about us?

Because, as pious Muslims, they’ve got a dominionist vision that drives them. We oppress the Islamic world by our very being, our being states that aren’t governed by Islamic law.

Postmodernism the Luxury

 

[nefarious_plot]

Because, as pious Muslims, they’ve got a dominionist vision that drives them. We oppress the Islamic world by our very being, our being states that aren’t governed by Islamic law.

Postmodernism the Luxury

They all dont feel that way. But a growing mnumber of americnas have the same dominists views. People should worry about the issues withn there own country before meddling in others.

 

[Michael Zaretski]

They all dont feel that way.

The ones that don’t can become ones that do in the twinkling of an eye, as it happened in Britain 7/7.

But a growing mnumber of americnas have the same dominists views.

I know. I loathe all dominionist religions equally. It’s just that …

People should worry about the issues withn there own country before meddling in others.

… Islam is currently the greatest threat to Western civilisation.