Why are so many Trump supporters against the “Trump vaccine”?

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Oh by the way, when I pointed out to one of them this morning that trump had gotten vaccinated in secret… the person I was talking to tried to tell me that it could have been a shot of B12 vitamins.
Sure, it also could have been Clorox, or Ivermectin, or hydroxychloroquine, anything but the vaccine, right?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

So now you're just talking about the vaccine? If that's the case then why did you bring up so many red herrings? Do you even know what planet you're on?

You say red herring, I say there's a connection in all these things.
But hey, you'll be glad to know I run across a fair number of ultra-lefty whackos who freak out over chemtrails, 5G, Bill Gates microchips and plandemics.

 

[switt]

Why should I subject myself to an experimental vaccine that has a very high rate of adverse side effects to combat something that poses very little threat to me? Appeasement of your phobia is not a good enough reason for me.

FOX runs deep

 

[snakestretcher]

What's with the threats?

Not threats; reality. The un-vaccinated will be shunned and ostracised. Stores will be closed to them, as will public transport, air travel, their favourite bars and restaurants. I hear life as a social pariah is a whole bunch of fun.

 

[snakestretcher]

FOX runs deep

Most sewers do...

 

[Grand Mal]

So you're not witnessing liberals shame and bully and even wish harm to those who don't get vaccinated? It's everywhere for crying out loud.

The same people screaming "my body, my choice", "women are beautiful at any size" (to address those who "fat shame"), "bullying is wrong" are the same people saying horrible things about those who choose not to get vaccinated. It's hypocrisy at its lowest form.

So why do you call them liberals?
Tell you what I do witness- rightists gathering every social and political evil that pisses them off into a pile and labelling the heap "liberalism". "Liberals want the government to run people's lives!" Well, guess what- anyone who wants that isn't a liberal. And anyone who bullys and wishes harm on someone isn't, either.
Shame, however, well, anyone who refuses to be vaccinated without a good medical reason is a jerk and ought to be ashamed. Shame and derision is what they deserve. Bullying, though, that's just the right being victims again.

 

[code1211]

When it comes to taking credit for the vaccine development which have so far been critical in bringing back the economy, Trump supporters are eager to call it “the Trump vaccine”- although he had as much to do with it as the development of airplanes and antibiotics.

But then why are so many of them against it so much and refusing to take it? Because Trump and his propaganda arm have made it a marker of tribal and cultural identity- it’s now like the refusal of Muslims to eat pork. It’s just not what the “good people” do.

Do you want to see where all the brainwashing is coming from?



Fox News is a danger to America.

I'm a Trump supporter and I have received the Vaccine.

Your premise is not accurate or supported by factual or truthful data.

 

[Roadvirus]

Not threats; reality. The un-vaccinated will be shunned and ostracised. Stores will be closed to them, as will public transport, air travel, their favourite bars and restaurants. I hear life as a social pariah is a whole bunch of fun.

Sure...let's cause even more division in this country.

Some people just aren't happy unless they're looking to cause more problems then offer solutions.

 

[Ethel2]

So you're not witnessing liberals shame and bully and even wish harm to those who don't get vaccinated? It's everywhere for crying out loud.

The same people screaming "my body, my choice", "women are beautiful at any size" (to address those who "fat shame"), "bullying is wrong" are the same people saying horrible things about those who choose not to get vaccinated. It's hypocrisy at its lowest form.

I think it IS shameful not to get vaccinated if you are eligible. Mass vaccination is the ONLY way out of the pandemic. Those who won’t get vaccinated are an impediment to a return to normalcy. While I am not going to go door to door and yell at people to do the right thing I admit that I don’t much care about what happens to these misguided people.
They deserve what they get, and more.

 

[Ethel2]

Not threats; reality. The un-vaccinated will be shunned and ostracised. Stores will be closed to them, as will public transport, air travel, their favourite bars and restaurants. I hear life as a social pariah is a whole bunch of fun.

Carrot and a stick.
I think thats a very good way to approach vaccine hesitancy.
I am very much in favor of businesses taking the lead here, like the Houston hospital chain who requires vaccination as a condition of employment and terminated those who weren’t compliant. Like the UC schools that require vaccination for in person learning this fall. Like the cruise lines that require all crew and passengers to provide proof of vaccination to board.
This isn’t shaming at all. It’s dealing with the pandemic in a sound way with a defined goal in mind-which is the safety of human beings.

 

[ataraxia]

I'm a Trump supporter and I have received the Vaccine.

Your premise is not accurate or supported by factual or truthful data.

I am glad for you for getting the vaccine. Congratulations!

But the map of counties not yet well-vaccinated and most vulnerable to Covid today reflects almost exactly the map of counties which voted for Trump. That’s the truthful and factual data.

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The only question is why.

The answer seems to be a suspicion of all mainstream authorities and sources of information, in favor of conspiratorial thinking and fringe and questionable information sources. These are also the counties and demographic most vulnerable to things like QAnon conspiracies.

It makes sense. They are living in a fabricated universe divorced from reality and based more on wishful thinking and fantasy. However, reality is ultimately a harsh teacher and tends to slap people awake eventually from their beautiful fantasies, one way or the other.

 

[screenwriter]

Why should it matter that there are people who don't want to take the vaccine? It fits perfectly in the "my body my choice" scenario. You want to pass out that magic of "choice" like candy to some people but not all people? You want to argue that humans are dying because of their "choice" - to which I say - yes, they are. But that's exactly like the human life cycles that are ended with the "other" "choice" that is oh so freely given. The only difference between the two is there are protection measure that can be taken to prevent Covid exposure (another "choice"). - the human lifecycles terminated by the other "choice" - well, there's just no protection for those humans whose life cycles were ended. Not wanting humans to have autonomy over their own bodies? Why is that?

 

[ataraxia]

Why should it matter that there are people who don't want to take the vaccine? It fits perfectly in the "my body my choice" scenario. You want to pass out that magic of "choice" like candy to some people but not all people? You want to argue that humans are dying because of their "choice" - to which I say - yes, they are. But that's exactly like the human life cycles that are ended with the "other" "choice" that is oh so freely given. The only difference between the two is there are protection measure that can be taken to prevent Covid exposure (another "choice"). - the human lifecycles terminated by the other "choice" - well, there's just no protection for those humans whose life cycles were ended. Not wanting humans to have autonomy over their own bodies? Why is that?

No- a continuing pandemic which devastated the economy once and has the chance to do it again- this time more fatally- is something which profoundly affects us all. It also continues to endanger the lives of those who truly cannot get the vaccine for legitimate medical reasons. The refusal to get the vaccine is reckless and irresponsible. It's like wanting the freedom to drive drunk.

 

[screenwriter]

No- a continuing pandemic which devastated the economy once and has the chance to do it again- this time more fatally- is something which profoundly affects us all. It also continues to endanger the lives of those who truly cannot get the vaccine for legitimate medical reasons. The refusal to get the vaccine is reckless and irresponsible. It's like wanting the freedom to drive drunk.

And the "baby bust" being experienced by the country is devastating the country too. It profoundly affects us all.

 

[screenwriter]

No- a continuing pandemic which devastated the economy once and has the chance to do it again- this time more fatally- is something which profoundly affects us all. It also continues to endanger the lives of those who truly cannot get the vaccine for legitimate medical reasons. The refusal to get the vaccine is reckless and irresponsible. It's like wanting the freedom to drive drunk.

So you agree people shouldn't have autonomy over their own bodies?

 

[ataraxia]

So you agree people shouldn't have autonomy over their own bodies?

Your freedom to swing your arms around freely stops where someone else’s nose starts.

 

[ataraxia]

So you agree people shouldn't have autonomy over their own bodies?

Not really.

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[screenwriter]

Not really.

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Not really? As in "not really" they shouldn't have autonomy? Cool, then we can fix America's "low fertility rate" by outlawing the "choice" that ends the life cycle of Americans. Also fixes the need for immigrants - Good deal!

 

[ataraxia]

Not really? As in "not really" they shouldn't have autonomy? Cool, then we can fix America's "low fertility rate" by outlawing the "choice" that ends the life cycle of Americans. Also fixes the need for immigrants - Good deal!

I think the disagreement with defining abortion as ending the life of Americans is whether a fetus is a life. Legally speaking, they don’t have a birth certificate and so they’re not really considered an American.

You may need to find yourself something else to get outraged about. That may require you to listen to more Fox News to figure out what.

You might also have time to think about it and come up with something next time you’re stopped at a red light and you find your right to drive around freely being tyrannically messed with by evil government.

 

[snakestretcher]

Sure...let's cause even more division in this country.

Some people just aren't happy unless they're looking to cause more problems then offer solutions.

Those causing the problems right now are the stubborn, arrogant and stupid anti-vaccine bunch. If they behaved like decent, respectful and responsible human beings we wouldn't have threads like this.

 

[ataraxia]

Sure...let's cause even more division in this country.

Some people just aren't happy unless they're looking to cause more problems then offer solutions.

So wait: Trump supporters want to support w malignant narcissist who debates their political rival on national stage by calling them ugly, disparages a POW and respected senator by calling him a loser for having been captured in battle, deny the unanimous consensus of every single scientific organization on the planet on climate change and all the doctors on the pandemic, who recklessly and irresponsibly prolong a deadly and crippling global pandemic by refusing to wear masks and get a vaccine, whose elected officials openly brag about how their strategy is to obstruct everything until they have a majority again, who alienate, antagonize, insult, and mock women, minorities, desperate asylum seekers, members of the LGBTQ community, minorities, and everyone else and their brother, etc, etc…

…and it’s OTHERS who “just aren't happy unless they're looking to cause more problems then offer solutions”?

Do you know the meaning of the word “shame”?

 

[ataraxia]

What's with the threats?

Not threats- just pointing out the consequences of being rude, irresponsible, and inconsiderate. It’s how things work socially. It’s why manners, consideration, and social skills are so important and parents and teachers try to teach that stuff to children pretty early on. Clearly they have failed to do so in large portions of the country.

 

[bongsaway]

How the left-wings dreams of introducing censorship))

PS: by the way, I have already had my second vaccination.
The first one was in winter, the second one is now... so not everyone is a supporter.

Calling fox news a propaganda arm of the gop is not censorship. Passing restrictive voting laws based on trump's big lie is censorship. You have your parties confused.

 

[screenwriter]

I think the disagreement with defining abortion as ending the life of Americans is whether a fetus is a life. Legally speaking, they don’t have a birth certificate and so they’re not really considered an American.

You may need to find yourself something else to get outraged about. That may require you to listen to more Fox News to figure out what.

You might also have time to think about it and come up with something next time you’re stopped at a red light and you find your right to drive around freely being tyrannically messed with by evil government.

At one time, "legally speaking" a black person wasn't defined as a "full" human either. Biology is science - science says there is a human life cycle. Annoying isn't it?

 

[ataraxia]

At one time, "legally speaking" a black person wasn't defined as a "full" human either. Biology is science - science says there is a human life cycle. Annoying isn't it?

So does life begin at conception? When the heart starts beating? When there is electrical brain activity (the criterion used in ICUs for determining whether artificial life support should be stopped)? Maybe sperm should be treated like new life? Those questions are not something science can answer very easily.

Regardless, those who are pro-choice do not agree with your particular definition, not that they don’t care about life.