Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a [W:1469, 2612]

[TurtleDude]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

He can pay his employees cheaply and externalize their costs on the government here. Just like Jerry Jones who built the Cowboys stadium.

you don't know who Nadal is?

a wage is nothing more than the cost of obtaining a sufficient amount of the commodity known as labor.

 

[Absentglare]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

progressive taxation is the most politically expedient way to extract taxes and buy votes when those who don't pay taxes or many taxes have more votes than those of us who do.

the top 1% creates 22% of the income yet pays 40% of the income taxes and pays all the estate taxes. and we get absolutely nothing additional from the government for paying all those extra taxes

It being the most politically expedient way is also related to it being the most economically expedient way.

I find it amusing that you think the wealthy get no more out of their tax dollars than anyone else. More wealth means more of society's resources by definition. Even ignoring that, security is a non-excludable and non-subtractive good; the rich obviously benefit more from security because they have more to lose. An analogy would be an insurance policy- doesn't it make sense that having a more expensive house often means having a more expensive home insurance policy ? So clearly there are ways that the wealthy receive more out of their tax dollars.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

It being the most politically expedient way is also related to it being the most economically expedient way.

I find it amusing that you think the wealthy get no more out of their tax dollars than anyone else. More wealth means more of society's resources by definition. Even ignoring that, security is a non-excludable and non-subtractive good; the rich obviously benefit more from security because they have more to lose. An analogy would be an insurance policy- doesn't it make sense that having a more expensive house often means having a more expensive home insurance policy ? So clearly there are ways that the wealthy receive more out of their tax dollars.

that's nonsense. its the poor who use most of the police resources. rich people have strong doors, nice homes and private security and alarms. Your argument about insurance is stupid since the rich pay higher rates if they have more coverage. and the government doesn't spend more guarding wealthy homes. I was a prosecutor for 30 years. I know where the cops expend most of their energy and its not say Indian Hill in Cincinnati or Darien CT. its places like Over the Rhine in Cincinnati, Watts and the South Bronx

 

[Citizen.Seven]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

This is where people who pretend to play politics fail miserably. Just because you disagree with your fellow American doesn't mean they are your enemy. It's perfectly OK to disagree with them and not hate them at the same time. The fact that so many are too immature that they can't grasp that is just astonishing.

They want to do harm. That's an enemy.

 

[Citizen.Seven]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

I see. You don't know what taxes is so you call it theft. Read a book.

Taking from soneone with nothing in exchange is theft, even if by a third party.

 

[Absentglare]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

that's nonsense. its the poor who use most of the police resources. rich people have strong doors, nice homes and private security and alarms. Your argument about insurance is stupid since the rich pay higher rates if they have more coverage. and the government doesn't spend more guarding wealthy homes. I was a prosecutor for 30 years. I know where the cops expend most of their energy and its not say Indian Hill in Cincinnati or Darien CT. its places like Over the Rhine in Cincinnati, Watts and the South Bronx

The poor can also be incarcerated and fined, have their property seized, to help pay to protect the property of the wealthy. It doesn't matter where cops spend their time, what matters is who gets more out of the deal. Often enough, rich folks get protection while poor folks get harassment.

The rich have more to lose in the absence of government rule and the threat of police force. If robbery would legal, who would waste their time on poor people ?

The government does spend more, we spend so much on military because we have so much wealth.

 

[Citizen.Seven]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

Neonazis have principles too. Racists have principles as well. Most of those principles would also likely include the same thing he did, leave someone on the side of the road, even after coming specifically out there to help them simply because that person was a Jew, or black, or someone married to someone not of their race. Same thing.

Certain principles are worth being proud of, others, not so much.

Giving no courtesy to socialists is something to be proud of.

 

[Citizen.Seven]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

It's taxation. It's not theft. Theft is an illegal activity. Taxes isn't. If you don't like living in a society, move to Somalia or some remote island. Otherwise, you will pay taxes. Again, you are not a victim no matter how much whining you do about being one.

And Sanders minions will reap the reward. Ho hum, so tired, the move to Somalia line. How about if you want whatever, get a job and pay your own way.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

The poor can also be incarcerated and fined, have their property seized, to help pay to protect the property of the wealthy. It doesn't matter where cops spend their time, what matters is who gets more out of the deal. Often enough, rich folks get protection while poor folks get harassment.

The rich have more to lose in the absence of government rule and the threat of police force. If robbery would legal, who would waste their time on poor people ?

The government does spend more, we spend so much on military because we have so much wealth.

that's a really weak and specious argument to pretend that the rich should pay more taxes, if you commit a crime and are incarcerated that is not based on "protecting the rich" most targets of theft or robbery are not the top one percent but middle or lower class Americans. Most murder victims are people with criminal records as well

 

[OpportunityCost]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

Not only do you have problems distinguishing between men and women, you think someone claiming to support one person for president actually supports another. No wonder you conservatives are floundering...

You are mistaking for someone that gives a damn whether you are male or female and whether you support the socialist or the crook. I was mistaken because I did not care. No wonder you liberals are floundering you actually think people give a crap about your opinions.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

I did no such thing. That is only your misrepresentation.

No ****, you think?

By you? :lamo:lamo:lamo

 

[Absentglare]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

that's a really weak and specious argument to pretend that the rich should pay more taxes, if you commit a crime and are incarcerated that is not based on "protecting the rich" most targets of theft or robbery are not the top one percent but middle or lower class Americans. Most murder victims are people with criminal records as well

You defined the terms: you claimed the rich pay more and get nothing out of it. I explained that such characterization is false. There are reasons that this country produces so many millionaires and government policy is thoroughly entrenched in many of those reasons.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

You defined the terms: you claimed the rich pay more and get nothing out of it. I explained that such characterization is false. There are reasons that this country produces so many millionaires and government policy is thoroughly entrenched in many of those reasons.

that still is not evidence that those who pay the most taxes are getting additional benefits. do you think the federal government spends more on

1) the top one percent who pay 40% of the federal income taxes

2) the bottom 50% who pay almost NO federal income taxes

 

[OpportunityCost]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

You defined the terms: you claimed the rich pay more and get nothing out of it. I explained that such characterization is false. There are reasons that this country produces so many millionaires and government policy is thoroughly entrenched in many of those reasons.

Yet you think the solution is more government?

 

[JasperL]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

progressive taxation is the most politically expedient way to extract taxes and buy votes when those who don't pay taxes or many taxes have more votes than those of us who do.

the top 1% creates 22% of the income yet pays 40% of the income taxes and pays all the estate taxes. and we get absolutely nothing additional from the government for paying all those extra taxes

That's really amazing that you can say that. Did you forget the financial crisis? According to some comments on other threads, your claimed net worth is north of $11 million, and I presume a big chunk of that is in equities, and bonds, in various financial institutions. Every single time the financial sector is at risk of a meltdown, the 'government' moves heaven and earth to make sure guys like you don't lose it all. Heck, every time the stock market is at risk for a sustained decline, the Fed steps in so predictably it got a name - the Greenspan put, and that policy has persisted long after Greenspan left the post - since the financial crisis, near ZIRP has been flooding money into equities, with the predictable results. You're treating this as some kind of rich person entitlement, and it don't mean **** to some with $12,000 in his 401(k).

The rules of the game are such that there has never been a better time to be in the top .1% - nearly all the income gains of the past few decades have gone to a small sliver at the top, with little to none to that bottom 50%. It's just not an accident - surely you know this. Essentially you live in a world where the global economy, as a result of a series of policy choices, has really never worked better for the wealthy than at any time in human history, and you're whinging about paying more than your share of taxes. It's kind of incredible. I will bet that if you take that lucky ducky bottom half that pays no income taxes AND has barely seen any gains in income since the 1970s that they'd trade place with you on the income and tax trends. Flip the income gains over the past few decades with the bottom 90% or so getting nearly all of them and none to the top 10%, AND let them pay more in taxes. Not a bad deal - their income would have tripled or more in real terms, instead of by nearly nothing, and even if they paid HALF of their income in income taxes every year, they're still way, way, way ahead.

 

[Grand Mal]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

Political affiliation shouldn't matter at the local block party. When I'm at the grocery store or buying guitar strings, I'm not thinking about the political beliefs of those around me. Life is way too short to care that much and at the end of the day it doesn't matter.

I wondered earlier in the thread, how did people come to hate each other so much?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

I see. You don't know what taxes is so you call it theft. Read a book.

Everything is theft to these people...a long parade of A=A=A=A...it's a buzz word for them, a lame dogwhistle for most.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

It's taxation. It's not theft. Theft is an illegal activity. Taxes isn't. If you don't like living in a society, move to Somalia or some remote island. Otherwise, you will pay taxes. Again, you are not a victim no matter how much whining you do about being one.

You can say that till you're green in the face. Ayn Randers are like Scientologists.
Mumble mumble, theft. Mumble mumble coercion. Mumble mumble rugged individuality. Mumble mumble going Galt.
Mumble mumble Howard Roarke. Mumble mumble William Hickman. Mumble mumble Reardon Metal.
Mumble mumble changelessly absolute. Mumble mumble rational animal.

 

[Kobie]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

liberalism (in the current sense of the word) is the never-ending quest to justify envy and coveting the property of others as "economic fairness"

:roll:

 

[Kobie]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

If you don't believe that he had been stiffed by Sanders supporters previously, or such a thing is impossible, that makes his actions even more admirable: he walked away from money on principle, not wanting to associate with Sanders supporters. Unless, of course, you think people in business should only be concerned about money, and principles are "stupid". I disagree.

Only in the mind of a true Randroid is leaving a disabled person on the side of the road "admirable."

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders [W:1469

“No one helped me, nor did I think at any time that it was anyone’s duty to help me.”

The bitch never paid back her relatives in Chicago, who supported her and put her up, gave her money, food and housing.
It wouldn't be a big deal except that she made grandiose promises to do so.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

:roll:

There is no such thing as "economic fairness" or "equal outcomes" but there IS "equal opportunity" and for that to be valid there must BE some actual OPPORTUNITY. Sawing the rungs off the ladders of opportunity after you've climbed over and then yelling "tough beans" is not equal opportunity, it's class warfare, and the wealthy class is winning. The word never comes up except when the working class fights BACK.

It's been that way since the start of recorded history.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

that still is not evidence that those who pay the most taxes are getting additional benefits. do you think the federal government spends more on

1) the top one percent who pay 40% of the federal income taxes

2) the bottom 50% who pay almost NO federal income taxes

One must first wonder why a nation that used to boast stellar middle class upward mobility now HAS a 50% that cannot EARN ENOUGH to BE liable for taxes. Fifty percent, that's amazing.
Will the tired old "takers vs makers" excuse hold up when that figure hits 60 percent? How about seventy? Eighty? What about when EIGHTY FIVE PERCENT are at or below poverty level?
The very notion that HALF the workforce just decided to become BUMS for the sheer fun of it smacks of absolute utter ignorance.
Human nature does not work that way, the species never would have made it past the caveman days.

If you said FIFTEEN percent I would agree with you because human nature is THAT way, there's ALWAYS ten or fifteen percent who want to mooch and live off everyone else. That number has never changed. It probably never will either.

But FIFTY PERCENT?? That means the country is following a FAILED economic model. The moment the number of working people at poverty level goes above 25% you should start questioning the economic model.

But AGAIN, will the wealthy CONTINUE to blame the sloth of the lower working class when it hits 85%?
No, because when that number hits, they will be collectively crapping their drawers because it will be impossible to deny that capitalism has ONCE AGAIN FAILED society due to THE GREED OF THE OLIGARCHY.

We are not in uncharted territory, we have been here before.

 

[Kobie]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders [W:1469

The bitch never paid back her relatives in Chicago, who supported her and put her up, gave her money, food and housing.
It wouldn't be a big deal except that she made grandiose promises to do so.

Ayn Rand should have had "FLAMING HYPOCRITE" emblazoned on her tombstone.

 

[Kobie]

Re: Why a Trump-backing tow truck driver says he refused service to a Sanders support

that still is not evidence that those who pay the most taxes are getting additional benefits. do you think the federal government spends more on

1) the top one percent who pay 40% of the federal income taxes

2) the bottom 50% who pay almost NO federal income taxes

The top one percent (who pay more taxes because, shockingly enough, they make more money) get the benefit of being protected from the dirty poors.