Who let Vance into a grown up meeting ?

[Hamish Howl]

Thanks to Zelensky's latest spat, it will not take long to implement.

Yeah, I keep hearing that.

How's that logistics tail coming along?

YOU'RE USING DONKEYS.

 

[Lursa]

Nope this is LIES. Ethnic Russians WERE abused and WERE discriminated against . By Official Ukrainian laws, introduced by illegal Ukrainian "governments".

They werent illegal laws. They were the law of the land...Ukraine. And they could have left anytime if they didnt want to obey the law of the land. It's not discrimination to insist the law of the country, Ukraine, be taught in schools.

 

[dandolo2k]

They werent illegal laws. They were the law of the land...Ukraine. And they could have left anytime if they didnt want to obey the law of the land.

And they could and had a full right to break away from Ukraine, if this Ukraine adopted discrimination laws .

 

[Hamish Howl]

And they could and had a full right to break away from Ukraine, if this Ukraine adopted discrimination laws .

It's just that nobody gives a shit when Russians whine.

 

[Lursa]

And they could and had a full right to break away from Ukraine, if this Ukraine adopted discrimination laws .

No they dont. Do New Mexico, Az, and So. Cal 'have full right' to break away from the US and return to Mexico/Spain? Your post is tone-deaf and stupid.

If they wanted to live in a "Russian" society, they had that option.

 

[Pyrite]

And they could and had a full right to break away from Ukraine, if this Ukraine adopted discrimination laws .

Your knowledge of international law on this point isn't credible.

Let's get back to your support for putin's illegal invasion, occupation, and brutalization of Ukraine: Hitler got away with similar actions last century.

So, why do you support the same behavior this century?

 

[Gordy327]

Nope. Since Donbass is no longer Ukraine. They have had a revolution of dignity and opted for independence.

That's Donbass. Ukraine is still it's own country

 

[Juin]

They werent illegal laws.

The laws were Ukraine's Jim Crow Laws. Of course Jim Crow Laws were legal.

They were the law of the land...Ukraine. And they could have left anytime if they didnt want to obey the law of the land. It's not discrimination to insist the law of the country, Ukraine, be taught in schools.

They have been leaving since 2014. And they do not keave with the shirts on their backs. They leave along with their lands

 

[Lursa]

I wouldn't be surprised if, in a week or less, They make the deal - but not on a televised Oval Office spot.

I agree it's not over. But I'm hoping that Zelensky will work with and thru European leaders since they seem to be more supportive and mango MAGAt magnet's agenda is clearly supporting Russia.

 

[Pyrite]

The laws were Ukraine's Jim Crow Laws. Of course Jim Crow Laws were legal.





They have been leaving since 2014. And they do not keave with the shirts on their backs. They leave along with their lands

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I look forward to your corroborating this claim via international laws that state, clearly, that any citizen that wants to leave his/her/their country has the legal right to take his/her/their "land" with them - and to join that "land" to/with another country.

(I surely hope you can see how ridiculous this claim - "They leave along with their lands" - looks.)

 

[dandolo2k]

No they dont. Do New Mexico, Az, and So. Cal 'have full right' to break away from the US and return to Mexico/Spain? Your post is tone-deaf and stupid.

If they wanted to live in a "Russian" society, they had that option.

THey do . If you have recognized the right of Ukraine to break away from USSR , then you have to back the same right for Donbass to break away from Ukraine.

 

[Lursa]

The laws were Ukraine's Jim Crow Laws. Of course Jim Crow Laws were legal.





They have been leaving since 2014. And they do not keave with the shirts on their backs. They leave along with their lands

There really isnt anything of substance to argue there. Your opinion is noted.

 

[Lursa]

THey do . If you have recognized the right of Ukraine to break away from USSR , then you have to back the same right for Donbass to break away from Ukraine.

Ukraine's legal referendum was recognized and codified. Peacefully. Why do you make stuff up? Just because Donbass was populated by a lot of ethnic Russians during USSR rule doenst mean they are entitled to take Ukraine land after its independence.

 

[Minerva]

To be able to receive lots of money from the U. S. to rebuild their country is a very big deal.

If you are referring to the mineral rights, Ukraine would have received that money on the open market without having to obligate themselves to a certain percentage being the property of the US.

 

[dandolo2k]

There really isnt anything of substance to argue there. Your opinion is noted.

As well as yours. You just want to everything in RUssia to become not RUssian . Just this simple wish. If Ukraine breaks away from Russia its ok . But if DOnbass breaks away and returns to Russia it's bad. THis is all about your "international law".

 

[Pyrite]

THey do . If you have recognized the right of Ukraine to break away from USSR , then you have to back the same right for Donbass to break away from Ukraine.

No, the international community recognized Ukraine's right to break away from the USSR. And the international community recognized Ukraine's right to security and integrity as an independent country when it gave up its nukes.

There is no legal claim for Russia's invading Ukraine at this point.

Just as there was no legal basis for Germany's invading Czechoslovakia or Poland.

That you support the former (Russia's invasion of Ukraine) shows you support the latter.

Congratulations. Trump has made the GOP into a party of fascism.

 

[Geoist]

 

[Pyrite]

As well as yours. You just want to everything in RUssia to become not RUssian . Just this simple wish. If Ukraine breaks away from Russia its ok . But if DOnbass breaks away and returns to Russia it's bad. THis is all about your "international law".

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Now you're not paying attention.

Ukraine is not and has not been part of Russia for a while now.

And, no, another country has no right to invade a nation just because some of that nation's people want to join with the former.

Hey, I don't like living in Ohio. I want to be part of Canada. Does that give Canada the legal right to invade Ohio?

 

[dandolo2k]

Ukraine's legal referendum was recognized and codified. Peacefully. Why do you make stuff up? Just because Donbass was populated by a lot of ethnic Russians during USSR rule doenst mean they are entitled to take Ukraine land after its independence.

Just because Ukraine wanted to break away from Russia and take away Russian lands of Donbass and Crimea, does not mean that Ukraine was entitled to violate Russian/USSR constitution and hold illegal referendum of "independence".

 

[Lursa]

As well as yours. You just want to everything in RUssia to become not RUssian .

Dont make stuff up. I have nothing against the Russian people. What a foolish, baseless statement.

Just this simple wish. If Ukraine breaks away from Russia its ok . But if DOnbass breaks away and returns to Russia it's bad. THis is all about your "international law".

They didnt 'break away.' It was a legal and recognized referendum. Ukraine was not originally ethnically Russian, it was it's own land. Er...otherwise "ethnic Russians" wouldnt have an issue now, would they? If it was originally Russian? And If the ethnic Russians got comfy in Donbas during the USSR period, that's not Ukraine's fault.

The ethnic Russians can always go and enjoy the company of other ethnic Russians if they dont want to live in Ukraine.

 

[dandolo2k]

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Now you're not paying attention.

Ukraine is not and has not been part of Russia for a while now.

And, no, another country has no right to invade a nation just because some of that nation's people want to join with the former.

Hey, I don't like living in Ohio. I want to be part of Canada. Does that give Canada the legal right to invade Ohio?

I am paying attention. THere was no invasion. Donbass decided to become independent. Period.

 

[Pyrite]

Just because Ukraine wanted to break away from Russia and take away Russian lands of Donbass and Crimea, does not mean that Ukraine was entitled to violate Russian/USSR constitution and hold illegal referendum of "independence".

AGAIN: Ukraine is not part of Russia/USSR. So, that nation's constitution doesn't apply.

Pay attention.

 

[Lursa]

(Post #290)


Now you're not paying attention.

Ukraine is not and has not been part of Russia for a while now.

And, no, another country has no right to invade a nation just because some of that nation's people want to join with the former.

Hey, I don't like living in Ohio. I want to be part of Canada. Does that give Canada the legal right to invade Ohio?

LOL I dont think he liked my example with So Cal, NM, and AZ leaving the US to go back and be part of Mexico/Spain again.

But what if "they decided to become independent?" *stamps feet*

 

[Pyrite]

I am paying attention. THere was no invasion. Donbass decided to become independent. Period.

Yes, there was. Just because I want to become part of Canada doesn't give Canada the right to invade Ohio.

Period.

BUT if you want to argue that Canada has the right to invade Ohio on behalf of Buckeyes who want to be part of Canada....go for it. Provide the legal basis for your argument.

 

[Pyrite]

LOL I dont think he liked my example with So Cal, NM, and AZ leaving the US to go back and be part of Mexico/Spain again.

AND he's not paying attention to my (and others') desire to not be part of the red, red state of Ohio and to join our "lands" with Canada....