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Who let Vance into a grown up meeting ?

ElChupacabra said:
Not really, since Zelenskyy didn't allow the double team to go uncontested. From a deal making perspective Trump got left holding the bag and mainly because he decided to go off script and now can't brag about his "rare earth" deal. I don't find bullying people with less leverage a sign of strength, quite the opposite actually. Since I've never seen Trump take a stand against the world's strongmen, it's pretty clear he's just another useless bully.
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Exactly. Mango MAGAt magnet failed bigly. Now he has to see what Putin wants him to try next.

So much for MMM being hero of the day, no credit, just a bully.
 
Lursa said:
Belarus, Finland, Poland.

And Ukraine is an independent nation..."the past" doenst make invading it and taking it right.

Why should Russia take what isnt theirs? They had no security reasons, no one was threatening Russia...so that's their lie.
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Russia didn;t take anything. Donbass has chosen itself it's fate.
 
Gordy327 said:
And in 1991, Ukraine became a sovereign nation independent from Russia. And in 2022, Russia attacked and invaded Ukraine.
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ok "And in 1991, Ukraine became a sovereign nation"
and in "2014" Crimea became a sovereign nation
and in 2022 Donbass became a sovereign nation.
 
dandolo2k said:
Russia didn;t take anything. Donbass has chosen itself it's fate.
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Donbass is part of Ukraine. Russia had and has no right to invade Ukraine.

What you're saying is clear: Hitler had every right to demand he be given Czechoslovakia. Had others not caved and given him most of that country, Hitler would have had every right to invade and take Czechoslovakia by force.

THIS is what you're supporting: Hitler's takeovers of other countries.
 
Pyrite said:
But not enough to stop you from supporting putin, who kidnapped 20,000 Ukrainian children.
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Wow, there you are concerned for the Ukrainian kids taken that you have no idea that Trump would have negotiated their return. But then again, you never seem to be concerned over all the kids sold into sex slavery and forced labor that have been lost during Biden. Got cha! Cheers!
 
dandolo2k said:
Russia didn;t take anything. Donbass has chosen itself it's fate.
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I showed your post as stupid, yes. And anyone in Donbass still wanting to be Russian can move to Russia. Russia invaded an independent country.
 
vesper said:
Wow, there you are concerned for the Ukrainian kids taken that you have no idea that Trump would have negotiated their return. But then again, you never seem to be concerned over all the kids sold into sex slavery and forced labor that have been lost during Biden. Got cha! Cheers!
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Why didnt he bring them up? He only mentioned minerals and offered nothing in return.
 
dandolo2k said:
ok "And in 1991, Ukraine became a sovereign nation"
and in "2014" Crimea became a sovereign nation
and in 2022 Donbass became a sovereign nation.
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And Russia still invaded Ukraine. Looks like you answered your own question.
 
vesper said:
Wow, there you are concerned for the Ukrainian kids taken that you have no idea that Trump would have negotiated their return. But then again, you never seem to be concerned over all the kids sold into sex slavery and forced labor that have been lost during Biden. Got cha! Cheers!
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This makes no sense.

But here's reality; neither trump nor vance, or anyone who continues to support them, gives a damn about the 20,000 children putin has kidnapped.

You all are saying it's okay for one country to invade another and to kidnap the children from the invaded country.

Really. That's exactly what you are endorsing here.
 
Lursa said:
I showed your post as stupid, yes. And anyone in Donbass still wanting to be Russian can move to Russia. Russia invaded an independent country.
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ANd ANyone in Donbass wanting to be Ukrainian can move to Western Ukraine. Why should ethnic Russians living in DOnbass be forced to move ?
THis is ethnic cleansing, THis is what you advocate for.
 
vesper said:
I think that is pretty accurate. Now Zelensky can go home with nothing because he showed up wanting to play a cowboy but didn't have a horse nor a lasso. The only people I feel sorry for are the Ukrainians.
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I wouldn't be surprised if, in a week or less, They make the deal - but not on a televised Oval Office spot.
 
dandolo2k said:
ANd ANyone in Donbass wanting to be Ukrainian can move to Western Ukraine. Why should ethnic Russians living in DOnbass be forced to move ?
THis is ethnic cleansing, THis is what you advocate for.
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Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine do not provide a valid excuse for Russia to invade Ukraine.

But Hitler used that "ethnic Germans" excuse. That means you support Hitler's invasions of last century.
 
Pyrite said:
It looks as if MAGA has succeeded in rewriting history: Russia did NOT invade Ukraine. Russia has NOT been brutalizing Ukraine.

Russia did NOT kidnap 20,000 Ukrainian children.
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...and Jan 6th was a love fest
 
Pyrite said:
Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine do not provide a valid excuse for Russia to invade Ukraine.

But Hitler used that "ethnic Germans" excuse. That means you support Hitler's invasions of last century.
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Nope . Donbass residents fought for their independence themselves , without Russia. For 10 years.
 
dandolo2k said:
ANd ANyone in Donbass wanting to be Ukrainian can move to Western Ukraine. Why should ethnic Russians living in DOnbass be forced to move ?
THis is ethnic cleansing, THis is what you advocate for.
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And remain Ukrainian 😄

Ethnic Russians shouldnt want to live in another country then if it means that much to them. They were not abused or discriminated against. The lines of Ukraine were drawn long before the USSR absorbed it and "ethnic Russians" moved there.
 
Lursa said:
And remain Ukrainian 😄

Ethnic Russians shouldnt want to live in another country then if it means that much to them. They were not abused or discriminated against. The lines of Ukraine were drawn long before the USSR absorbed it and "ethnic Russians" moved there.
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Nope this is LIES. Ethnic Russians WERE abused and WERE discriminated against . By Official Ukrainian laws, introduced by illegal Ukrainian "governments".
 
trixare4kids said:
We have different priorities for our country. I am sick of supporting and funding expensive wars that are long past their expiration date. You should be thanking Trump for bringing about peace. Why do you care what any other country thinks of us. They like us only as long as we are doing something for THEM.
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I am not even sure what folks want. Hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent by both sides: the Russian and west; thousands are dying daily or weekly; and the line changes are measured in hundreds of meters! Three years of carnage is enough
 
dandolo2k said:
Nope . Donbass residents fought for their independence themselves , without Russia. For 10 years.
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Yes. Hitler used the "but ethnic Germans" excuse as his pretext for demanding Czechoslovakia be handed over to him.

Now putin has used the "but ethnic Russians" excuse as his pretext for invading and occupying Ukraine.

That Republicans from their party's leader on down to posters in cyberspace endorse putin's "but ethnic Russians" excuse shows full well that today's GOP and its voters would have supported Hitler's aggression of last century.

Congratulations. You've completed the paint-by-numbers picture of today's trump and his Republican Party as fascists.
 
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