Who is Top Contributor to Civilization?

[Ikari]

"When the last century ended, humans could not even fly. In the 20th century, the human race went to the moon and began to explore the stars."
The San Francisco Chronicle

Which "Subspecies" of the Human Race is the top contributor to "Civilization" in areas such as discoveries, exploration, the arts, inventions, technology, transportation, architecture, farming, healthcare and overall quality of life?

I'm sure we all know of great accomplishments by all six but only one can be the absolute most accomplished?

For those of you not afraid of "Race" classification...

Race Definition
(1) Any one of the groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits regarded as common among people of shared ancestry.
(2) A group of people sharing a common cultural, geographical, linguistic, or religious origin or background.
(3) The descendants of a common ancestor : a group sharing a common lineage.
(4) A group within a species that is distinguishable (as morphologically, genetically, or behaviorally) from others of the same species.

Scientists
Mathematicians
Philosophers
Musicians
Artists

 

[What if...?]

Other than Sub Sahara Africans the term "indigenous" doesn't apply to any of your groups mentioned. All these other groups migrated across the globe from Africa and slowly populated the world as they evolved into the groups you mentioned (as well as some groups you didn't). From there you can ask which group contributed most - just lose the "indigenous" designation.

Clever apology for the urge to empire.

 

[Grand Mal]

Not agriculture itself so much as our maladaptation to the adoption of the sedentary lifestyle that accompanies agriculture. Storage led to having to lock up and dole out the food, creating the manager class, wage labor (and armed men to enforce it) and all the other problems associated with those things.

Add to that population expanding to meet the food supply, which requires constant expansion and the conflict with others that causes.

But yes, agriculture was the catalyst.

My take- agriculture made two things possible. We can live crowded together in cities and we can create a surplus and all the problems we have had come from two questions- who will rule the city and who will control the surplus.
That's what the creation myth in Genesis is about, the disastrous consequences of losing the state of innocence we had when we were hunter-gatherers.

 

[What if...?]

Scientists
Mathematicians
Philosophers
Musicians
Artists

Yup.

Those come in all colors.

I have noticed "superior" white folks don't like being reminded that folks of other lineages can be and often are superior to the individual who doesn't want to hear that.

Your melanin content has zero to do with your worth as a person.

Zero. Racism is proof you prolly don't deserve to breathe everybody's air.

 

[What if...?]

My take- agriculture made two things possible. We can live crowded together in cities and we can create a surplus and all the problems we have had come from two questions- who will rule the city and who will control the surplus.
That's what the creation myth in Genesis is about, the disastrous consequences of losing the state of innocence we had when we were hunter-gatherers.

I read somewhere that the origin of the myth of the fall was actually coopted from those suffering at the hands of the expansionist agriculturalists.

The "fall" was taking the role of "god" in deciding what got to live and what had to die. This weed must die. This predator or crop eating herbivore must cease to exist.

And war as we think of it did not exist until you stored food. Can't war when you need to stop all the time to fund something to eat. And you'll win most every time when you bring wagons full of food to the fight.

 

[What if...?]

Only when the Marxist factor (or its equivalent) is introduced into a "civilization" equation.

Cooperation, not competition, got us where we are today.

No human is an alpha predator all by himself. Only technology and our ability to coordinate with language did that.

And most of that technology was not developed by those who used it to succeed. It was adopted from those who did discover it.

All hunter gatherer people were communists. Extended families with familial structures.

And Marxism was just leveraged by the usual assholes obsessed with wealth and power. There is no evidence anywhere that the vanguard ever intended to create a workers paradise or dissolve.

Just gigantic scams. Now used by other scammers to justify their scams. Partying with hookers and blow and laughing at their subjects. Every "leader" would kneel down and blow a superior leader to keep their status.

It's a ridiculously pathetic game we all have to play.

 

[WanderingListener]

"When the last century ended, humans could not even fly. In the 20th century, the human race went to the moon and began to explore the stars."
The San Francisco Chronicle

Which "Subspecies" of the Human Race is the top contributor to "Civilization" in areas such as discoveries, exploration, the arts, inventions, technology, transportation, architecture, farming, healthcare and overall quality of life?

I'm sure we all know of great accomplishments by all six but only one can be the absolute most accomplished?

For those of you not afraid of "Race" classification...

Race Definition
(1) Any one of the groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits regarded as common among people of shared ancestry.
(2) A group of people sharing a common cultural, geographical, linguistic, or religious origin or background.
(3) The descendants of a common ancestor : a group sharing a common lineage.
(4) A group within a species that is distinguishable (as morphologically, genetically, or behaviorally) from others of the same species.

Basically Europe, because it was the continent with the best environment for agriculture, leading to large cities and technological advancement. Basically, Europe got cows while North America got Bison. Imagine trying to get a herd of Bison into a pen in like 2000 BC

 

[mrjurrs]

no they didn’t, they happened to migrate to areas where those crops existed, but their agriculture was primitive. If you can show the Indians selectively bred corn into a major crop then I’d accept that, but all of their crops from corn to tobacco were very weak and didn’t grow productively until Europeans applied their agricultural knowledge to them.
the Chinese invented gun powder in a primitive form, but never used it for anything other then fireworks. And some primitive weapons that were never perfected for use. Also there is very little to no evidence Europeans got gunpowder from the Chinese, and they may well have developed it independently.
I mean as well as the many thousands of scientific discoveries that made an automobile possible.
not Algebra, Algebra was first developed in Ancient Greece. And the mathematical concepts within algebra were well known in Europe before the Muslims learned it, from Greek mathematicians. This is a common lie made by modern anti-white, anti Christian “intellectuals” to make “brown Muslims” seem like they were smarter. You’ll see this lie played out where there will be giant lists of “Muslim inventions” that were actually not invented by Muslims or claims that we use “Arabic numerals” which were quietly renamed “Hindu-Arabic numerals” several years ago because Indians (dots not feathers) were pretty pissed that universities were teaching that their numeral system was invented by Arabs.

“they” didn’t “give” coffee. The coffee lives in that area already and would if no humans were there.

The iron smelting is weird too, because basic research indicates the first known ironworks were in a Hittite kingdom in the modern day Turkey and not Sub Saharan Africa.


The Polynesians were master navigators however

Unless Greece is located in Middle East you're going to need to find a new source.

 

[Empirica]

Unless Greece is located in Middle East you're going to need to find a new source.

I'm pretty sure that Greece is geographically part of Eastern Europe.

Not to mention; Greece is a card carrying member of the European Union.

 

[mrjurrs]

I'm pretty sure that Greece is geographically part of Eastern Europe.

Not to mention; Greece is a card carrying member of the European Union.

You're right, the poster claimed algebra originated in Greece.

 

[Rogue Valley]

I'm pretty sure that Greece is geographically part of Eastern Europe.

Not to mention; Greece is a card carrying member of the European Union.

Umm, no. Greece (lime) is in southern Europe.

 

[Top Cat]

what a weird question... the guy that invented the wheel? The person that invented fire (usage of), the lady that figured out boiling water, whoever figured out storing grain and domesticating animals.

Your overall question is stupid.

As is she.

 

[Masterhawk]

Just out of curiosity, what is the point of this question?

 

[Bodi]

As is she.

@Empirica

Just out of curiosity, what is the point of this question?

Race Baiting...

 

[Hatuey]

This feels like a call out thread where the White Supremacists with a surplus of braincells stayed away.

Last guy to show up to the party always thinks he made it special.

 

[The Mark]

"Civilization" in the modern day traditional sense; with all its perks, benefits and luxuries.

Anyone who still doesn't get it should be living alone and off the grid in the Rocky Mountains.

So please let's not squabble over semantics and the poor souls who couldn't adapt to civilization.

My point was that, if we're going to award top contribution prize to someone, then everyone in the competition must agree on the definition of what winning that prize means.

 

[Bodi]

why does it say that you quoted me when my quote is not there?

 

[Empirica]

I would very much like to ask you a question, Empirica: What is your non-“politically correct” right-leaning libertarian argument against white supremacy? I do not mean fascism or Nazism, but white supremacy itself? If you were alive and politically conscious in the 1950s, what would have been your argument against white separatist and white supremacist Jim Crow laws and for Civil Rights for all people that would not have put you in the same camp as some brainwashed indoctrinated progressive? Would you have had any to level then or now? Or would you have fought on behalf of maintaining legally-mandated segregation?

Isn't it odd how "white" incessantly precedes "supremacy" even though it spans the entire human spectrum?

Every race, religion, ethnicity, culture and ideology (etc-etc) in the world has their own supremacist element.

It's not just the KKK.....Black Muslims, La Raza and radical Islam are all rooted in supremacy over other people.

And those smug New Yorkers, Californians and Texans flaunt their geographic superiority over other Americans.

And our warriors serving in the armed forces who believe their particular branch makes them superior to the others.

Was my argument "non-“politically correct” right-leaning libertarian" enough for ya?that was fun
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My "1950s argument against white separatist and white supremacist Jim Crow laws and for Civil Rights for all people":

I would be; Anti-white separatist/supremacist.....Anti-Jim Crow laws.....pro-Civil Rights for all Americans.

And my argument would've been; "All people are created equal" as clearly stated in The US Constitution!

(But that was over sixty years ago and those situations no longer exist.....Welcome to the 21st Century)

 

[Bodi]

Scientists
Mathematicians
Philosophers
Musicians
Artists

What about Religion?

 

[Noodlegawd]

Everybody knows it's the Elves, even though they passed into the West long ago.

 

[slick]

1. Europeans.

2. Asians.

As I recall Charles Murray concluded after looking at more than 4,000
significant figures & the worlds greatest achievements in science, art,
philosophy, medicine & technology & math that 97%
of the most significant figures & 97% of the greatest achievements
came from Europeans & North Americans. That's an astonishing
record for one civilization!! How is that racist?

Let's get real. Even if his work was or is now not entirely correct
it was done with extensive research. Say he was even a little
off in his findings so that not 97% but only 75% of the greatest
achievements can be credited to those of European ethnics it
still speaks volumes. And to those who claim he was a racist because
of 'In Human Accomplishments' somehow they have to realize
in the inner cavities of their minds that realism is not racism!!!!

 

[Chagos]

What the hell is a sub-specy of the human race anyway?

Jesus wept.

 

[Deuce]

A foolish question to ask in the first place. We're all a mix. We all come from the same common ancestor. "Indigenous" racial categorizations based on regions are arbitrary.

 

[screenwriter]

Clever apology for the urge to empire.

So you're saying people spontaneously generated in Europe - the Americas - Asia etc? They didn't migrate out of Africa?

 

[Nickyjo]

It’s a toss up: African-Americans, who gave the world jazz and rock and roll, or my people, the Italians, who provided classical music, Michelangelo, Sinatra and lasagne.

Top that, Aristotle!