"Middle eastern"? Persian? Arab? WTF? Or is your argument going to be that libbers cannot hold Southern secessionist views (he does....durr)?
I can keep repeating the same thing over and over, you are wrong since your proportion is comparing economic apples to oranges. There are a far larger proportion of blacks living in poverty and when white populations are held to the same level, CRIME levels are nearly the same.There are more Whites in poverty than Blacks and Whites commit disproportionally far less crime.
The study is not focused exclusively on HOMICIDES because it is a very small sample of all crime, is subject to many small variances that are not understood. The topic is CRIME, not one very small aspect of CRIME.Wrong.
The correlation is speculative and does not indicate causation.
The theory is that it is cause by what they think are correlations.
And again, that theory is not born out by the actual numbers such as for murder, which you keep ignoring.
No, I don't. The burden for disproving Ohio State profs is upon those objecting to their work.Of course you have to prove what you put forth as correct.
He was born in Melrose Mass, went to ivy league schools.....I have no idea what significance his supposed "race" is, he has adopted fully a libertarian ideology that incorporates Southern secessionist views. What is your frigging point?He's Egyptian, or Lebanese, IIRC, dont see it on his wikipedia page. Egyptian Christians take great offense at being labeled as arabs. Syriac/Lebanese do not.
See how silly it is to look for offense behind every corner? You should consider how this appears to others.
I feel like you're bolstering my point. By your own statements your daughter should be a virtual failure because she got nothing from ages 0 to 9 (let alone age 5), yet because of the culture in your home she has been able to greatly overcome that unfortunate start and succeed.
Maybe not top of the class, but successful nonetheless.
He was born in Melrose Mass, went to ivy league schools.....I have no idea what significance his supposed "race" is, he has adopted fully a libertarian ideology that incorporates Southern secessionist views. What is your frigging point?
What the fack does the President's ethnicity have to do with the fact that Woods is a libertarian with Southern secessionist views?Obama was born in the US, is he not authentically black? See how silly your logic is?
WTF? I am a "racist white guy?My point is that its not something you can dismiss (as you would like to) as a racist white guy.
I'm not sure which is worse, your horrible grammar, or your inability to understand that I have NOT been arguing all of the issues facing Blacks is racism, perhaps it is again not knowing what "component" means. But then, whenever someone needs an out, they invariably turn to trying to make the opponents argument into an absolute.Like I said, to a hammer the world is nails.
What the fack does the President's ethnicity have to do with the fact that Woods is a libertarian with Southern secessionist views?
WTF? I am a "racist white guy?
I'm not sure which is worse, your horrible grammar, or your inability to understand that I have NOT been arguing all of the issues facing Blacks is racism, perhaps it is again not knowing what "component" means. But then, whenever someone needs an out, they invariably turn to trying to make the opponents argument into an absolute.
:dohI can keep repeating the same thing over and over, you are wrong since your proportion is comparing economic apples to oranges. There are a far larger proportion of blacks living in poverty and when white populations are held to the same level, CRIME levels are nearly the same.
The topic is all crime which your "study" (cough) does not account for. Not only that, it uses a small sample as well, which also makes it meaningless.The study is not focused exclusively on HOMICIDES because it is a very small sample of all crime, is subject to many small variances that are not understood. The topic is CRIME, not one very small aspect of CRIME.
Wrong again.No, I don't. The burden for disproving Ohio State profs is upon those objecting to their work.
I said he is a libertarian that holds to Southern Secessionist views (which he DOES, you cannot dispute that).:lol:
YOU seem to think Tom Woods place of birth matters-you mentioned it-as if his views are somehow less valid-or the HE was somehow a racist white guy.
Which is why I mentioned Obama.
I never expected to change your POV, but if you wish to hold to very bad stat analysis, by all means, do so, it is not my problem.:doh
You can repeat your nonsense all you want. You are still wrong.
There are more whites in poverty than blacks and blacks commit disproportionately far more crime than whites do.
Nothing you provided changes any of that.
Jezbus, first you objected because it did not focus on just one crime, now you don't like it because it does not account for "ALL" crime....wow. Your inane arguments continue.The topic is all crime which your "study" (cough) does not account for. Not only that, it uses a small sample as well, which also makes it meaningless.
Well, I suppose it isn't "applicable" to your standards, since they have gone from one small measure to some absolute all encompassing measure of total crime. Talk about moving a goalpost around.Wrong again.
It is on you, as you hold it out as applicable when it is not.
Nor could you, as you already demonstrated.
:doh iLOLI never expected to change your POV, but if you wish to hold to very bad stat analysis, by all means, do so, it is not my problem.
Jezbus ... Wow!Jezbus, first you objected because it did not focus on just one crime, now you don't like it because it does not account for "ALL" crime....wow. Your inane arguments continue.
It isn't applicable as it doesn't apply.Well, I suppose it isn't "applicable" to your standards, since they have gone from one small measure to some absolute all encompassing measure of total crime. Talk about moving a goalpost around.
This is what, like the umpteenth time you have said something like this and each time you have been told you are wrong. Yet you do not learn. Figures.Besides, I have no idea how you can criticize it when you have not read it.
To win a debate is not done by saying over and over, "You are wrong" or "Your document is wrong", you have to actually read the doc, post what you think is wrong and make argument to that effect. Oh, and you don't get to say "No, you prove it is right", this is just childish, infantile, contrary nonsense.:
This is what, like the umpteenth time you have said something like this and each time you have been told you are wrong. Yet you do not learn. Figures.
You are as wrong as they are.
I see you are capable of defining what you are engaged in, so how about showing how what you presented is correct.To win a debate is not done by saying over and over, "You are wrong" or "Your document is wrong", you have to actually read the doc, post what you think is wrong and make argument to that effect. Oh, and you don't get to say "No, you prove it is right", this is just childish, infantile, contrary nonsense.
I said he is a libertarian that holds to Southern Secessionist views (which he DOES, you cannot dispute that).
You brought up his "supposed" race, as if that makes a difference, it wasn't until then that I mentioned his birthplace and education.....none of which has any bearing on his VIEWS. Conservatives, especially today, hold to lots of Southern POV's of the past...IT IS THEIR CHOICE, but I suppose mentioning that would be embarrassing for some.
I should like this, then dislike it, just so I can like it a second time.To win a debate is not done by saying over and over, "You are wrong" or "Your document is wrong", you have to actually read the doc, post what you think is wrong and make argument to that effect. Oh, and you don't get to say "No, you prove it is right", this is just childish, infantile, contrary nonsense.
Nowhere did I create, state or imply that every US white holds racist/discriminatory views. That would be as stupid as teaching your children that racism/discrimination has been removed entirely from the US....brah.
Actually, caine's response was pure straw and I suppose your view is that racial discrimination plays no part in Black socioeconomic conditions?
Going for the Hypocrisy Emmy?To win a debate is NOT done by saying over and over, "You are wrong" or "Your document is wrong",
you have to actually Read the doc, Post what you Think is Wrong
and make argument to that effect. Oh, and you don't get to say "No, you prove it is right", this is just childish, infantile, contrary nonsense.
There is noting more absurd than demanding someone prove an analysis is correct instead of showing it is false.
I'm well aware that state sponsored racism has been nearly eliminated, the question was one of what is in peoples beliefs. As I said, the percent might be lower, but the nominal level, I'm not so sure....especially after spending some time here. So are you going to argue that white flight has no component of racism?
Ignoring your false notion of "failure", are you going to argue that opposition to busing had no component of racism?
What the hell are you talking about? Redlining was countered in the early 1970's. The FORMATION of these districts.....was caused by....wait for it.....RACISM.
You know, I just got through trying to make the point that nowhere did I make an absolute argument, and that it would as dumb for me to do so as for you to teach you kids that racism has been totally eliminated.....and the stupidity of making an absolute argument...got right past you once again.any black person
I'm sorry, are you trying to argue that Black crime rates (and crime in general) is greater now?Considering Racism was a much bigger problem in the 1950s and black poverty existed back then too, however black crime rates weren't nearly where they are now...... I would say that no racial discrimination plays no part in the crime problem........
crime being the original topic of this thread.
What "causation" are you assuming was being debated in the analysis by Peterson et al?cause of something
Really, no progress was made on busing/education? Redlining is as a big of an issue as it was prior to the 1970's?What you don't seem to understand about his point was that nobody has done anything to change those conditions in the decades since legislation made all these forms of segregation illegal.
I think that was covered.People have still CHOSEN to live near other people who are like them, whether they be white, black, chinese, hispanic, etc.
Again, with the stupid, moronic absolute argument. If I remember correctly, I said:However, it is only racist when WHITES choose to live near other whites.... :roll:
Thank god this racist SOB is dead and buried. It has been said that it is the only cure for racist beliefs.Rushton
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