White House Signals Acceptance of Russia Sanctions Bill

[Socrates1]

Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

mrga!

Licking windows has that effect of some . How is that rat hole Chicago these days ducking many bullets ??? :lol:

 

[Mac77]

Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

Some people were too smart to want to be dumbed down!

Which is what happens to many snowflakes that graduate from college dumber than when they started

 

[Mac77]

Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

The problem with conservatives is that they deny facts and science and constantly engage in the rewriting of history. They idolize people that speak like idiots and vilify education and experience as "elitism".

They all think alike because that's how they've been brainwashed.

That sounds like liberals to me who deny science in order to support abortion

 

[JackA]

Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

I'm blaming the Times for bad journalism

They hire clueless little lib snowflakes that are too lazy to learn the details of the stories they report

Clueless is what this post is. Times reporters are exceptionally smart, know how to write and are aggressive in getting at the facts. In the news business they are esteemed. In political forums like this one where know nothings hold sway, not so much.

 

[prometeus]

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That sounds like liberals to me who deny science in order to support abortion

More of your irrelevant moronic drivel. Which part of science do they deny?

 

[JackA]

Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

Thats a bold claim to make without offering any evidence to back it up.

Yeah, it's partly perception. I'm pretty sure most of the informed people I know would agree with me. When I was in the news business myself The Times was regarded as the top of the profession. The Times is regarded worldwide as the American newspaper of record. Several years ago, the Columbia School of Journalism rated U.S. papers for quality and made the Times number one. Then there's the Times having received more Pulitzers than any other paper. Not a lot of evidence, but more than you would find for any other paper.

 

[Mac77]

Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

More of your irrelevant moronic drivel. Which part of science do they deny?

I deny the unscientific man-made-global-warming- disaster hoax since it is only an unproven theory being pushed by liberals

 

[prometeus]

Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

I deny the unscientific man-made-global-warming- disaster hoax since it is only an unproven theory being pushed by liberals

You would deny anything if it served your narrative, but still, that is not what I asked. The question was, what do liberals deny?

 

[lurchadams]

Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

That sounds like liberals to me who deny science in order to support abortion

Yes, your statement can be considered true, if one has no connection to reality.

 

[trouble13]

Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

Yeah, it's partly perception. I'm pretty sure most of the informed people I know would agree with me. When I was in the news business myself The Times was regarded as the top of the profession. The Times is regarded worldwide as the American newspaper of record. Several years ago, the Columbia School of Journalism rated U.S. papers for quality and made the Times number one. Then there's the Times having received more Pulitzers than any other paper. Not a lot of evidence, but more than you would find for any other paper.

They are a well written publication. I will agree with you to that extent. They print articles camped solidily within progressivism and at times they use questionable journalistic integrity. I would not call them the best but they might be the best of the worst

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[JackA]

Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

They are a well written publication. I will agree with you to that extent. They print articles camped solidily within progressivism and at times they use questionable journalistic integrity. I would not call them the best but they might be the best of the worst

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And you cite zero evidence.

 

[trouble13]

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And you cite zero evidence.

Under any definition of journalism ethics, anyone at the paper who leaked Trump’s off-the-record comments would be committing a serious violation. After the paper’s top editors promised Trump that his remarks would not be used, all Times staffers were duty-bound to honor that promise. Outsourcing a tease of Trump’s remarks to Buzzfeed is, ethically, no different from publishing them in the Times.

Equally troubling, the timing of the leak appears designed to rock the campaign at a crucial moment. The Times has greeted the prospect of a Trump victory as the end of the world, and projections that key Super Tuesday victories would put him on a glide path to the nomination meant time was running out to stop him. The off-the-record comments would have been of zero interest if Trump had been at the back of the GOP pack.

The New York Times abandoned its ethics to take down Trump | New York Post



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[Lord of Planar]

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The New York Times abandoned its ethics to take down Trump | New York Post



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LOL...

Ehtics... and NY Slimes...

Really?

Does anyone think they had any ethics to begin with?

LOL...

 

[trouble13]

Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

LOL...

Ehtics... and NY Slimes...

Really?

Does anyone think they had any ethics to begin with?

LOL...

I was asked to cite evidence and i complied

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[slick]

Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

Oh, you mean too busy making Russia great again and tossing American interests in the trash.

Russia is slowly becoming an enemy again because of the unhealthy attitude of the entire congress. 97-2 in the Senate
for further sanctions. Trump tries to engage with Russia & gets pummeled for it. Russia looking eastward for a new
partner. Forcing Russia towards China by the congress is a stupid idea.

'Deemed as "event of the year" for the two countries, Xi's upcoming tour and his meeting with Putin will be dedicated to a wide range of issues concerning the relationship as well as current international and regional problems.
Given their aligned economic goals and unprecedentedly high mutual trust, the two neighboring countries are expected to come up with ways to further promote bilateral ties as well as contribute to global prosperity and stability.'

 

[Threegoofs]

Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

Russia is slowly becoming an enemy again because of the unhealthy attitude of the entire congress. 97-2 in the Senate
for further sanctions. Trump tries to engage with Russia & gets pummeled for it. Russia looking eastward for a new
partner. Forcing Russia towards China by the congress is a stupid idea.

'Deemed as "event of the year" for the two countries, Xi's upcoming tour and his meeting with Putin will be dedicated to a wide range of issues concerning the relationship as well as current international and regional problems.
Given their aligned economic goals and unprecedentedly high mutual trust, the two neighboring countries are expected to come up with ways to further promote bilateral ties as well as contribute to global prosperity and stability.'

LOL.

These sound like RT talking points.

 

[slick]

Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

LOL.

These sound like RT talking points.

0% RT talking pts.
50% slick talking pts.
100% talking points to be taken seriously.

 

[Tigerace117]

Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

Russia is slowly becoming an enemy again because of the unhealthy attitude of the entire congress. 97-2 in the Senate
for further sanctions. Trump tries to engage with Russia & gets pummeled for it. Russia looking eastward for a new
partner. Forcing Russia towards China by the congress is a stupid idea.

'Deemed as "event of the year" for the two countries, Xi's upcoming tour and his meeting with Putin will be dedicated to a wide range of issues concerning the relationship as well as current international and regional problems.
Given their aligned economic goals and unprecedentedly high mutual trust, the two neighboring countries are expected to come up with ways to further promote bilateral ties as well as contribute to global prosperity and stability.'

Russia never stopped being an enemy. The west is still seen as "decadent" and denying Russia it's "rightful place" as the world's hyperpower. Trump tries to toss US allies in front of the bus and gets rightfully pummeled for it. The Russians and Chinese have had centuries of mutual hatred, and even still they don't much like each other.

Neither Xi nor Putin gives a damn for "world peace and stability."

 

[Oreo]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/23/...lights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront "The White House indicated on Sunday that President Trump would accept new legislation curtailing his authority to lift sanctions on Russia on his own, a striking turnaround after a broad revolt by lawmakers of both parties who distrusted his friendly approach to Moscow and sought to tie his hands."

Democrats and Republicans working together to curtail Trump. I like the sound of that.

Republicans & Democrats are working together to tie Trump up and shut him down.

The House on Tuesday overwhelmingly approved new sanctions on Russia, Iran, and North Korea, with the GOP-controlled chamber advancing a significant new constraint on President Donald Trump’s foreign policy. The White House has yet to say definitively whether Trump would sign the bill, which his administration had criticized for failing to give him necessary “flexibility” to work on warmer relations with Russia. But it appears the votes would be there for Congress to override any veto from Trump.

The House’s 419-3 vote on the sanctions bill saw only three dissenters: GOP Reps. Justin Amash of Michigan, John Duncan of Tennessee and Thomas Massie of Kentucky. Even Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.), Russia’s staunchest defender on the Hill, revealed hours before the vote that he would support the measure out of support for its penalties against Tehran and Pyongyang.

The sanctions legislation, which allows lawmakers to block Trump from any attempt to roll back sanctions against Moscow, is expected to pass the Senate in similarly bipartisan fashion before next month’s recess.

House approves Russia sanctions that handcuff Trump - POLITICO

Then we have Lindsey Graham threatening Trump:
Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham today warned that there would be "holy hell to pay" if President Donald Trump fires Attorney General Jeff Sessions. He added, "Any effort to go after [special counsel) Robert Mueller could be the beginning of the end of the Trump presidency, unless Mueller did something wrong."
Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham warns of 'holy hell to pay' if Trump fires Sessions - ABC News

None of them respect Trump--and they're not going to put up with him anymore. What's going to be interesting is to see how Vladimir Putin reacts to these new sanctions, I am certain that he was assured by Michael Flynn that this wasn't
going to happen.

 

[slick]

Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

Russia never stopped being an enemy. The west is still seen as "decadent" and denying Russia it's "rightful place" as the world's hyperpower. Trump tries to toss US allies in front of the bus and gets rightfully pummeled for it. The Russians and Chinese have had centuries of mutual hatred, and even still they don't much like each other.

Neither Xi nor Putin gives a damn for "world peace and stability."

What allies has Trump thrown under the bus?

I'm pretty sure these sanctions are to be in place until Russia again 'gifts back Crimea' to Ukraine
& the eastern slavic strongholds of the Donbass & Luhansk submit again to Ukraniian rule. This will never happen.
Donbass & Luhansk rebelled and fought off an attempt by Poroshenko to retain control.

 

[Oreo]

Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

Russia is slowly becoming an enemy again because of the unhealthy attitude of the entire congress. 97-2 in the Senate
for further sanctions. Trump tries to engage with Russia & gets pummeled for it. Russia looking eastward for a new
partner. Forcing Russia towards China by the congress is a stupid idea.

'Deemed as "event of the year" for the two countries, Xi's upcoming tour and his meeting with Putin will be dedicated to a wide range of issues concerning the relationship as well as current international and regional problems.
Given their aligned economic goals and unprecedentedly high mutual trust, the two neighboring countries are expected to come up with ways to further promote bilateral ties as well as contribute to global prosperity and stability.'

Just 1-1/2 years ago Russia hacked into the Pentagon and the hack was moving so fast through the Joint's chiefs of staffs emails that they had to shut the system down for 2 weeks to replace hardware and software.
Russian hack on the Pentagon: Hackers struck last year at the heart of the U.S. military in 2015 - CBS News

Today they're constantly trying to get into our electric grids, especially if they're feeding U.S. military bases and other critical national security installations.
U.S. Power Grid Being Hit With ?Increasing? Hacking Attacks, Government Warns - Washington Free Beacon

Vladimir Putin is not OUR FRIEND--he is an opportunist--looking for a weak link and he found that link in Donald Trump.



Trump at the G-20 summit even suggested to Vladimir Putin a joint cyber security union---:lol: Here's what Republicans said about it.

Republican senators Lindsey Graham, an influential South Carolina Republican who is a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, and Marco Rubio of Florida, who opposed Mr Trump for their party's presidential nomination, blasted the idea.

"It's not the dumbest idea I have ever heard but it's pretty close," Senator Graham told NBC's Meet the Press program, saying Mr Trump's apparent willingness to "forgive and forget" stiffened his resolve to pass legislation imposing sanctions on Russia.

US President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin clearly had plenty to talk about in their highly-anticipated meeting, Washington correspondent Zoe Daniel writes. On Twitter, Mr Rubio said: "While reality & pragmatism requires that we engage Vladimir Putin, he will never be a trusted ally or a reliable constructive partner.

G20: Republicans blast Donald Trump's idea to form cyber security unit with Vladimir Putin - Donald Trump's America - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Finally we are seeing Republicans and Democrats working together to shut Trump down. His veto power just went out the window. Now we're going to see what Vladimir Putin's reaction to this, as he was assured by Michael Flynn (who is currently under criminal investigation) that this wouldn't happen.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/...-sanctions-before-trump-took-office.html?_r=0

Vladimir Putin is getting a great lesson in Democracy and he's going to learn very quickly that you don't mess with the United States. That even the POTUS really doesn't have that much power--in relation to the House and Senate in this country. The house passed the sanctions bill by 413--3 and the Senate passed it by 97-2. Right now it doesn't even need to show up on Trump's desk for a signature. The Senate put in their bill that Trump cannot remove the sanctions.

There is no RESPECT for this President.

 

[slick]

Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

Just 1-1/2 years ago Russia hacked into the Pentagon and the hack was moving so fast through the Joint's chiefs of staffs emails that they had to shut the system down for 2 weeks to replace hardware and software.
Russian hack on the Pentagon: Hackers struck last year at the heart of the U.S. military in 2015 - CBS News

Today they're constantly trying to get into our electric grids, especially if they're feeding U.S. military bases and other critical national security installations.
U.S. Power Grid Being Hit With ?Increasing? Hacking Attacks, Government Warns - Washington Free Beacon

Vladimir Putin is not OUR FRIEND--he is an opportunist--looking for a weak link and he found that link in Donald Trump.



Trump at the G-20 summit even suggested to Vladimir Putin a joint cyber security union---:lol: Here's what Republicans said about it.


G20: Republicans blast Donald Trump's idea to form cyber security unit with Vladimir Putin - Donald Trump's America - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Finally we are seeing Republicans and Democrats working together to shut Trump down. His veto power just went out the window. Now we're going to see what Vladimir Putin's reaction to this, as he was assured by Michael Flynn (who is currently under criminal investigation) that this wouldn't happen.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/...-sanctions-before-trump-took-office.html?_r=0

Vladimir Putin is getting a great lesson in Democracy and he's going to learn very quickly that you don't mess with the United States. That even the POTUS really doesn't have that much power--in relation to the House and Senate in this country. The house passed the sanctions bill by 413--3 and the Senate passed it by 97-2. Right now it doesn't even need to show up on Trump's desk for a signature. The Senate put in their bill that Trump cannot remove the sanctions.

There is no RESPECT for this President.

The U.S. tightened sanctions on Russia Tuesday in a bid to force the end of its occupation of Crimea. These sanctions
were more than partially created to create an impossibility.

'The Treasury Department said in a statement that the steps are consistent with the U.S. commitment
to seek a diplomatic resolution to the crisis in Ukraine. Sanctions would not be lifted until Russia leaves Crimea, it added.'

As far as Trump having no respect I don't think the sportsbooks who are
in business to make money agree with you.

Trump to be the Republican nominee in 2020 you have to put up $15 to win $10
Elizabeth Warren is the favorite democratic nominee, I'd love to see that matchup

 

[Threegoofs]

The U.S. tightened sanctions on Russia Tuesday in a bid to force the end of its occupation of Crimea. These sanctions
were more than partially created to create an impossibility.

'The Treasury Department said in a statement that the steps are consistent with the U.S. commitment
to seek a diplomatic resolution to the crisis in Ukraine. Sanctions would not be lifted until Russia leaves Crimea, it added.'

As far as Trump having no respect I don't think the sportsbooks who are
in business to make money agree with you.

Trump to be the Republican nominee in 2020 you have to put up $15 to win $10
Elizabeth Warren is the favorite democratic nominee, I'd love to see that matchup

Since you think the sportsbook guys are so reliable, you'll love the one that gives 5/4 odds on Trump being impeached in his first term.

Make that 'finish the term' (taking into account resignation, or death/incapacity, etc) and it would be better than 50:50 odds.

Add that to the fact that the Congress just passed sanctions specifically designed to hamstring a President from their own party... mostly because they suspect the Russia thing has legs, and that makes a strong case that Trump gets little respect from anyone.

 

[Tigerace117]

Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

What allies has Trump thrown under the bus?

I'm pretty sure these sanctions are to be in place until Russia again 'gifts back Crimea' to Ukraine
& the eastern slavic strongholds of the Donbass & Luhansk submit again to Ukraniian rule. This will never happen.
Donbass & Luhansk rebelled and fought off an attempt by Poroshenko to retain control.

Weakening NATO would dramatically harm the Baltic States; who do make their NATO obligations fully, by the way.

Which will never happen, since the Russians view Crimea(and the eastern Ukraine) as rightfully their's.

Ukrainians are Slavs, so the entire country is a "Slav stronghold".

 

[Oreo]

Re: Congress to impose sanctions on Trump's Boss

The U.S. tightened sanctions on Russia Tuesday in a bid to force the end of its occupation of Crimea. These sanctions
were more than partially created to create an impossibility.

'The Treasury Department said in a statement that the steps are consistent with the U.S. commitment
to seek a diplomatic resolution to the crisis in Ukraine. Sanctions would not be lifted until Russia leaves Crimea, it added.'

As far as Trump having no respect I don't think the sportsbooks who are
in business to make money agree with you.

Trump to be the Republican nominee in 2020 you have to put up $15 to win $10
Elizabeth Warren is the favorite democratic nominee, I'd love to see that matchup

"If" Trump makes it 4 years, which I think is doubtful at this time, Republicans will primary him for the nomination.
As far as the Ukraine--you have brought up another issue.

Recently Paul Manafort was forced by the DOJ to register as a Foreign agent. He was working for the Russians earning 17 million from them to advise the Russians on Ukraine/US policies.
Paul Manafort retroactively registers with Justice Dept. as foreign agent - CBS News

This was installed into Republican platform during the RNC Convention in July.

Gordon had advocated for language in the GOP platform that the Ukrainians not be armed in their battle against pro-Russian separatists, an effort was ultimately successful. But Gordon says he was simply advocating what Trump himself had expressed -- that he did not wish to see major war break out over the situation in Ukraine.

More Trump advisers disclose meeting with Russia's ambassador - CNNPolitics.com

John McCain wanted to know what this was doing in the platform.


These sanctions were written in response to Russian interference into the election.

It's clear that the congress has taken over the steering of this ship. Trump cannot veto this vote.

In addition to giving lawmakers veto power over any relaxation of sanctions on Russia, the bill also converts some existing penalties into law, thus making them more difficult to remove.

House approves Russia sanctions that handcuff Trump - POLITICO

As far as 2020 you might want to keep an eye on Democrat John Hickenlooper, governor of Colorado.