Where the Tea Party went wrong.

[JohnnyDollar]

Contrary to popular belief, the Tea Party was actually started in 2007. Why? Because the republicans were not conservative. And many MANY people finally figured this out. The Tea Party started because Bush and his republicans were making an even bigger mess out of our country and our economy. They increased the size and scope of government. They allowed welfare to grow as well as things like the Dept. of Education with their "no child left behind" disaster. They bailed out corporations and banks with our tax $$$. They tried to "rule the middle east". They allowed Al queda to attack us on 9/11. There are soooo many things the republican did, that didn't even resemble conservatism.

The original tea party supporters like myself, knew that because the republicans we're conservative anymore, that the democrats were going to take over. And that's pretty much what happened. Because of Bush and his republicans, we now have Obama.

So what happened, because Bush and his republicans were so bad, the Tea Party was started. But, just as soon as the Tea Party began gaining the republicans found a way to capitalize on the popularity of the Tea Party. And so, they poured money into the tea party. People like the Koch brothers, Sarah Palin and others.. And the infiltration began. And it didn't stop until the tea party was pro-war, pro-big government, pro-almost everything that's not conservative. So now, what we have is a second branch of the republican party.

They talk a good game. But that's about it. In fact, many republicans (not actual conservatives) were elected into congress. People like Andy Harris of Maryland, campaigned against tax payer funded healthcare. But minutes after taking his "oath of office", demanded his tax payer funded healthcare.

I believe that the republican party seen the Tea Party as not only a way to gain support, but also block any new party from bringing competition to theirs (and the democrats) stronghold they've gotten over the last 100+ years.

This is just my honest opinion..And doesn't reflect other tea party supporters that didn't join until 2009/10.

 

[mak2]

I think of Cruz and Palin and those types as the heart of the Tea Party. Are they? And if not who is?

Contrary to popular belief, the Tea Party was actually started in 2007. Why? Because the republicans were not conservative. And many MANY people finally figured this out. The Tea Party started because Bush and his republicans were making an even bigger mess out of our country and our economy. They increased the size and scope of government. They allowed welfare to grow as well as things like the Dept. of Education with their "no child left behind" disaster. They bailed out corporations and banks with our tax $$$. They tried to "rule the middle east". They allowed Al queda to attack us on 9/11. There are soooo many things the republican did, that didn't even resemble conservatism.

The original tea party supporters like myself, knew that because the republicans we're conservative anymore, that the democrats were going to take over. And that's pretty much what happened. Because of Bush and his republicans, we now have Obama.

So what happened, because Bush and his republicans were so bad, the Tea Party was started. But, just as soon as the Tea Party began gaining the republicans found a way to capitalize on the popularity of the Tea Party. And so, they poured money into the tea party. People like the Koch brothers, Sarah Palin and others.. And the infiltration began. And it didn't stop until the tea party was pro-war, pro-big government, pro-almost everything that's not conservative. So now, what we have is a second branch of the republican party.

They talk a good game. But that's about it. In fact, many republicans (not actual conservatives) were elected into congress. People like Andy Harris of Maryland, campaigned against tax payer funded healthcare. But minutes after taking his "oath of office", demanded his tax payer funded healthcare.

I believe that the republican party seen the Tea Party as not only a way to gain support, but also block any new party from bringing competition to theirs (and the democrats) stronghold they've gotten over the last 100+ years.

This is just my honest opinion..And doesn't reflect other tea party supporters that didn't join until 2009/10.

 

[a351]

They allowed Al queda to attack us on 9/11. There are soooo many things the republican did, that didn't even resemble conservatism.

Stopped reading here. The September 11 attacks had absolutely nothing to do with political ideology, nor were they simply allowed to happen. Also, one needs to look no further than the repeated claims that nearly the entire RNC are not true conservatives, to find the source of their complete lack of appeal to the large majority of the electorate. The Republicans would do well to purge itself of the influential voices whose seemingly only response to defeat is to further entrench themselves and in some cases move farther to the extreme of the political spectrum.

 

[Compatibilist]

They went wrong by putting up a candidate against Harry Reid... otherwise he would be finished and perhaps some sanity in the Senate

 

[haymarket]

I did not know there was a Tea Party fielding candidates that people can vote for and pull the Tea Party lever. Where do they run? What offices do people elected on the Tea Party ticket hold?

 

[Mycroft]

Contrary to popular belief, the Tea Party was actually started in 2007. Why? Because the republicans were not conservative. And many MANY people finally figured this out. The Tea Party started because Bush and his republicans were making an even bigger mess out of our country and our economy. They increased the size and scope of government. They allowed welfare to grow as well as things like the Dept. of Education with their "no child left behind" disaster. They bailed out corporations and banks with our tax $$$. They tried to "rule the middle east". They allowed Al queda to attack us on 9/11. There are soooo many things the republican did, that didn't even resemble conservatism.

The original tea party supporters like myself, knew that because the republicans we're conservative anymore, that the democrats were going to take over. And that's pretty much what happened. Because of Bush and his republicans, we now have Obama.

So what happened, because Bush and his republicans were so bad, the Tea Party was started. But, just as soon as the Tea Party began gaining the republicans found a way to capitalize on the popularity of the Tea Party. And so, they poured money into the tea party. People like the Koch brothers, Sarah Palin and others.. And the infiltration began. And it didn't stop until the tea party was pro-war, pro-big government, pro-almost everything that's not conservative. So now, what we have is a second branch of the republican party.

They talk a good game. But that's about it. In fact, many republicans (not actual conservatives) were elected into congress. People like Andy Harris of Maryland, campaigned against tax payer funded healthcare. But minutes after taking his "oath of office", demanded his tax payer funded healthcare.

I believe that the republican party seen the Tea Party as not only a way to gain support, but also block any new party from bringing competition to theirs (and the democrats) stronghold they've gotten over the last 100+ years.

This is just my honest opinion..And doesn't reflect other tea party supporters that didn't join until 2009/10.

Well, all that stuff is very interesting, including your admission of support for the Tea Party, but when you get right down to it you whole post is just an expression of your opinion. You don't provide any verifiable facts or links to support your opinion. So...at this point, I have to say that your opening statement..."Contrary to popular belief, the Tea Party was actually started in 2007."...is unsupported.

btw, I don't think the Republicans have to worry about ANY third party threatening them or the Democrats. Not even your self-professed Libertarians. That puts into extreme doubt, on my part, your contention about why the Republicans support the Tea Party.

Now, one thing that would go a long way toward supporting your opening contention would be some sort of public or private, but verifiable, link showing that you actually WERE a member of something called The Tea Party back in 2007.

I await further information from you.

 

[Perotista]

They went wrong by putting up a candidate against Harry Reid... otherwise he would be finished and perhaps some sanity in the Senate

Angle, throw in O'Donnell, Aiken, Mourdock, there is 4 more seats in the senate the Republicans would have without the far right un-electable candidates. Aiken and Mourdock and their foot in mouth disease probably changed enough votes in Wisconsin, Thompson and Virginia, Allen to lose those two seats. Viola, a GOP controlled senate with the right candidates.

 

[Fenton]

Contrary to popular belief, the Tea Party was actually started in 2007. Why? Because the republicans were not conservative. And many MANY people finally figured this out. The Tea Party started because Bush and his republicans were making an even bigger mess out of our country and our economy. They increased the size and scope of government. They allowed welfare to grow as well as things like the Dept. of Education with their "no child left behind" disaster. They bailed out corporations and banks with our tax $$$. They tried to "rule the middle east". They allowed Al queda to attack us on 9/11. There are soooo many things the republican did, that didn't even resemble conservatism.

The original tea party supporters like myself, knew that because the republicans we're conservative anymore, that the democrats were going to take over. And that's pretty much what happened. Because of Bush and his republicans, we now have Obama.

So what happened, because Bush and his republicans were so bad, the Tea Party was started. But, just as soon as the Tea Party began gaining the republicans found a way to capitalize on the popularity of the Tea Party. And so, they poured money into the tea party. People like the Koch brothers, Sarah Palin and others.. And the infiltration began. And it didn't stop until the tea party was pro-war, pro-big government, pro-almost everything that's not conservative. So now, what we have is a second branch of the republican party.

They talk a good game. But that's about it. In fact, many republicans (not actual conservatives) were elected into congress. People like Andy Harris of Maryland, campaigned against tax payer funded healthcare. But minutes after taking his "oath of office", demanded his tax payer funded healthcare.

I believe that the republican party seen the Tea Party as not only a way to gain support, but also block any new party from bringing competition to theirs (and the democrats) stronghold they've gotten over the last 100+ years.

This is just my honest opinion..And doesn't reflect other tea party supporters that didn't join until 2009/10.

Nonsense....

They allowed corporate and bank bailouts ?

Unreal, the level of disinformation people are willing to engage in.

 

[poweRob]

I think of Cruz and Palin and those types as the heart of the Tea Party. Are they? And if not who is?

It started off very Libertarian. And it collected many people of all political stripes in the begining who were just flat out disgusted with the bank bailouts and the crashing economy of George Bush Jr. Then when the movement shaped up after the election many big money political folk thought they could use this movement so they started up stupid groups like the Tea Party Express so that they could hijack the anger and give it a direction towards what they wanted to try and take down.

I think you are right though now... Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin are the faces of today's Tea Party. And it's sad to see.

 

[poweRob]

Contrary to popular belief, the Tea Party was actually started in 2007. Why? Because the republicans were not conservative. And many MANY people finally figured this out. The Tea Party started because Bush and his republicans were making an even bigger mess out of our country and our economy. They increased the size and scope of government. They allowed welfare to grow as well as things like the Dept. of Education with their "no child left behind" disaster. They bailed out corporations and banks with our tax $$$. They tried to "rule the middle east". They allowed Al queda to attack us on 9/11. There are soooo many things the republican did, that didn't even resemble conservatism.

The original tea party supporters like myself, knew that because the republicans we're conservative anymore, that the democrats were going to take over. And that's pretty much what happened. Because of Bush and his republicans, we now have Obama.

So what happened, because Bush and his republicans were so bad, the Tea Party was started. But, just as soon as the Tea Party began gaining the republicans found a way to capitalize on the popularity of the Tea Party. And so, they poured money into the tea party. People like the Koch brothers, Sarah Palin and others.. And the infiltration began. And it didn't stop until the tea party was pro-war, pro-big government, pro-almost everything that's not conservative. So now, what we have is a second branch of the republican party.

They talk a good game. But that's about it. In fact, many republicans (not actual conservatives) were elected into congress. People like Andy Harris of Maryland, campaigned against tax payer funded healthcare. But minutes after taking his "oath of office", demanded his tax payer funded healthcare.

I believe that the republican party seen the Tea Party as not only a way to gain support, but also block any new party from bringing competition to theirs (and the democrats) stronghold they've gotten over the last 100+ years.

This is just my honest opinion..And doesn't reflect other tea party supporters that didn't join until 2009/10.

Pretty much sums up what happened to that movement.

Tea Party ‘founder’: Palin, Gingrich a ‘joke’​

 

[poweRob]

I did not know there was a Tea Party fielding candidates that people can vote for and pull the Tea Party lever. Where do they run? What offices do people elected on the Tea Party ticket hold?

It's not a ticket holding party. It's a money holding movement. And they do control candidates rather well.

 

[Perotista]

It started off very Libertarian. And it collected many people of all political stripes in the begining who were just flat out disgusted with the bank bailouts and the crashing economy of George Bush Jr. Then when the movement shaped up after the election many big money political folk thought they could use this movement so they started up stupid groups like the Tea Party Express so that they could hijack the anger and give it a direction towards what they wanted to try and take down.

I think you are right though now... Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin are the faces of today's Tea Party. And it's sad to see.

When the tea party crashed upon the scene they were pretty much fiscal orientated with worries over the debt and the deficit. Being an old Perot backer and worker, I felt a certain affinity towards them and backed them at first. Then they dove head first into social issues and started nominating these people who had no chance to win. The tea party has gone down hill since then IMO. The segment of the population that identifies with them has shrunk. If they, the tea party had stuck only to fiscal issues I think their ranks would have swollen, as it is they are going in the opposite direction.

 

[poweRob]

When the tea party crashed upon the scene they were pretty much fiscal orientated with worries over the debt and the deficit. Being an old Perot backer and worker, I felt a certain affinity towards them and backed them at first. Then they dove head first into social issues and started nominating these people who had no chance to win. The tea party has gone down hill since then IMO. The segment of the population that identifies with them has shrunk. If they, the tea party had stuck only to fiscal issues I think their ranks would have swollen, as it is they are going in the opposite direction.

I totally agree. They would have loads more success if they didn't go all Birch Society on us. But it makes sense... Koch brother funded movements infiltrated the movement and the Koch Brothers' daddy... founding member of the John Birch Society.

 

[Perotista]

I totally agree. They would have loads more success if they didn't go all Birch Society on us. But it makes sense... Koch brother funded movements infiltrated the movement and the Koch Brothers' daddy... founding member of the John Birch Society.

Interesting, I didn't realize that.

 

[Hamster Buddha]

When the tea party crashed upon the scene they were pretty much fiscal orientated with worries over the debt and the deficit. Being an old Perot backer and worker, I felt a certain affinity towards them and backed them at first. Then they dove head first into social issues and started nominating these people who had no chance to win. The tea party has gone down hill since then IMO. The segment of the population that identifies with them has shrunk. If they, the tea party had stuck only to fiscal issues I think their ranks would have swollen, as it is they are going in the opposite direction.

I totally agree. They would have loads more success if they didn't go all Birch Society on us. But it makes sense... Koch brother funded movements infiltrated the movement and the Koch Brothers' daddy... founding member of the John Birch Society.

Agreed. I think the reason the Tea Party didn't take off to form a third party is largely due to the fact that, at least in independents and democrats eyes, they were just a harder version of the Republican party. This became painfully clear when they moved lock-step with the Republicans on the social issues like Abortion and Gay Marriage. What hocks off a lot of people towards the republican party (myself included) is the blatant hypocrisy of saying they are for government staying out of our lives, but wanting to government to control things such as what we we do without our bodies (also with Drugs come to think about it), and who we choose to love.

 

[Ray410]

Probably wouldn't hurt to get just a little bit of honesty into the thread. The Tea party was so successful that it was responsible for the loss of over 700 democratic political seats nationwide in 2010.

This enormous demonstration of dislike of liberals and thirsting for tea party politics so frightened the loons that Obama immediately ordered the IRS to suppress the tea party. In the next couple of years the IRS refused to legitimize over 500 tea party groups nationwide, which virtually neutralized the tea party effects on American politics and allowed Obama to be falsely re-elected in 2012.

For the Liberals to now claim that the tea party somehow fell out of favor is simply ludicrous. Once again the Liberals won by dishonest tactics and voter suppression and are now pretending that the tea party fell out of favor because liberalism is so much more appealing. Absolute nonsense.

Anytime liberalism is honestly presented in a national forum of ideas, liberalism loses. That is why we see the rage and hysteria on this forum now over how quickly Obama is going downhill.

 

[mak2]

The lady's auxillary lost its tax exempt status about 10 years ago. I dont remember it netralized them, in fact, I know it didnt, they are still very active. How exactly did that neutralize the tea party types?

Probably wouldn't hurt to get just a little bit of honesty into the thread. The Tea party was so successful that it was responsible for the loss of over 700 democratic political seats nationwide in 2010.

This is enormous demonstration of dislike of liberals and thirsting for tea party politics so frightened the loons that Obama immediately ordered the IRS to go after the tea party. In the next couple of years the IRS refused to legitimize over 500 tea party groups nationwide, which virtually neutralized the tea party effects on American politics and allowed Obama to be falsely re-elected in 2012.

For the Liberals to now claim that the tea party somehow fell out of favor is simply ludicrous. Once again the Liberals won by dishonest tactics and are now pretending that the tea party fell out of favor because liberalism is so much more appealing. Absolute nonsense.

 

[poweRob]

Agreed. I think the reason the Tea Party didn't take off to form a third party is largely due to the fact that, at least in independents and democrats eyes, they were just a harder version of the Republican party. This became painfully clear when they moved lock-step with the Republicans on the social issues like Abortion and Gay Marriage. What hocks off a lot of people towards the republican party (myself included) is the blatant hypocrisy of saying they are for government staying out of our lives, but wanting to government to control things such as what we we do without our bodies (also with Drugs come to think about it), and who we choose to love.

Exactly. There is no more a bigger, more intrustive government than a socially conservative one. This is what makes me laugh my ass off at conservatives calling themselves libertarians yet parrot Republican talking points.

 

[ttwtt78640]

When the tea party crashed upon the scene they were pretty much fiscal orientated with worries over the debt and the deficit. Being an old Perot backer and worker, I felt a certain affinity towards them and backed them at first. Then they dove head first into social issues and started nominating these people who had no chance to win. The tea party has gone down hill since then IMO. The segment of the population that identifies with them has shrunk. If they, the tea party had stuck only to fiscal issues I think their ranks would have swollen, as it is they are going in the opposite direction.

Good points, but that seems applicable to any party, its candidates and its platform. Not all party members agree with all points and no single candidate is likely to either. One can see this most clearly by observing the "friend bashing" done during primary races.

The Tea Party was never intended to be a third party, but a popular force to attempt to restrict the federal government to its enumerated powers and thereby eliminate that massive portion of federal power and spending. The only qualification that a candidate seemed to require was agreement on that issue to get TP support. Unfortunately, just as with any other party, that meant backing the lesser of two evils and the MSM (and others favoring a huge nanny state) used a TP backed candidate's "other issues" to reflect negatively on the TP.

 

[VanceMack]

Nonsense....

They allowed corporate and bank bailouts ?

Unreal, the level of disinformation people are willing to engage in.

Are you stating you DONT believe Bush and the GOP was promoting bank bailouts?

 

[Perotista]

Agreed. I think the reason the Tea Party didn't take off to form a third party is largely due to the fact that, at least in independents and democrats eyes, they were just a harder version of the Republican party. This became painfully clear when they moved lock-step with the Republicans on the social issues like Abortion and Gay Marriage. What hocks off a lot of people towards the republican party (myself included) is the blatant hypocrisy of saying they are for government staying out of our lives, but wanting to government to control things such as what we we do without our bodies (also with Drugs come to think about it), and who we choose to love.

When the tea party burst upon the scene, they didn't address the social issues you stated. They concentrated only on fiscal policies and at first I backed them. Then they started to delve into the social issues which left me high and dry. Now having worked for Perot and still claim on being a member of the Reform party, one of the biggest reason if not the top reason is ballot access. The Republican and Democratic Parties have automatic ballot access on all 50 states. They don't have to do a thing, all other parties must earn their place on the ballot. You have 50 set of different laws and requirements, 50 different time frames when a party must qualify, some states are relative easy to get on and other almost impossible. All one had to do and I am sure the Tea Party did so, was look at all the troubles and hassles we, the reform party had trying to get on all 50 state ballots back in 1992 and 96 along with 2000. That is more than enough to discourage almost anyone from even trying, the easiest path was to become part of the Republican Party. Then all you had to do is challenge the establishment candidates in the primaries and did not have to worry about getting on the ballots. Falling under the Republican label automatically qualified you. Now both the established party and the Tea Party must either work together or fight it out for the soul of the Republican Party. If it is the later, that may make the Republican Party irrelevant nationally for a decade.

 

[Perotista]

Good points, but that seems applicable to any party, its candidates and its platform. Not all party members agree with all points and no single candidate is likely to either. One can see this most clearly by observing the "friend bashing" done during primary races.

The Tea Party was never intended to be a third party, but a popular force to attempt to restrict the federal government to its enumerated powers and thereby eliminate that massive portion of federal power and spending. The only qualification that a candidate seemed to require was agreement on that issue to get TP support. Unfortunately, just as with any other party, that meant backing the lesser of two evils and the MSM (and others favoring a huge nanny state) used a TP backed candidate's "other issues" to reflect negatively on the TP.

Yeah, to a certain extent I believe in what you just said. But candidates like Aiken, Mourdock, Angle and O'Donnell brought up the other issues to the forefront instead of fiscal issues and the role of government. This scared the independents away from them and I think cost Thompson in Wisconsin and Allen in Virginia besides these 4 senate seats I mentioned, their seats. I also think Aiken and Mourdock stances or foot in mouth, call it what you will cost Romney some votes in his attempt to replace the current president.

Lugar in Indiana was a shoe in, a sure winner, why replace him? I can understand Missouri where you were challenging an incumbent Democrat, but to primary an incumbent sure winner Republican Candidate out of office and hand over the seat to a Democrat to me seems plain stupid. Even if Lugar voted sometimes against the Tea Parties wishes, at least they had someone in Lugar who would vote with them 90% of the time. BY primaring him out of office, now the Tea party has a Democrat filling Lugar's seat that will vote against them 90% of the time, if not more. So what did they accomplish? Seems to me they hurt themselves pretty bad and in doing what they did turned quite a lot of folks against them.

 

[Chiefgator]

I went to a few Tea Party rallys in 08. The ONLY discussions at those rallys were fiscal and Constitution related.

Then, in the spring of 09, At one rally, they went off on a tangent about the Florida SSM proposition and Abortion. I walked up to the podium and made the statement to the presenter that those topics had nothing to do with the Tea Party and we need to get back on topic of getting the Country back on the correct fiscal path. I was basically booooed out of the hall.

I never went back.

 

[thinkforyoursel]

not sure when or where the tea party went wrong....but to themselves they are like a flesh eating virus.

If they dissolve democrats would panic ...because for the democrats...the tea party is the gift that keeps giving.

 

[thinkforyoursel]

I went to a few Tea Party rallys in 08. The ONLY discussions at those rallys were fiscal and Constitution related.

Then, in the spring of 09, At one rally, they went off on a tangent about the Florida SSM proposition and Abortion. I walked up to the podium and made the statement to the presenter that those topics had nothing to do with the Tea Party and we need to get back on topic of getting the Country back on the correct fiscal path. I was basically booooed out of the hall.

I never went back.

You must be young...or extremely naïve ....because if you paid attention ...all these right wing groups were always about abortion as a starting point.

Whatever they claim is their initial cause ....it always comes back to control and micromanagement of individual's lives.
These group believes in anything but freedom and liberty!!!

They always claim it's...God's plans...but it's simply their plans for your life!

This extreme control is always there ...look at where the work environment is today. Many companies have somehow found a way to forge what you do after work with what you do at work (no matter what your job performance is) ...ask yourself are these managers democrats?

Look at the NFL...NBA ...who's always trying to implement dress codes and muzzle players ....are these people democrats?

They want total control of your lives .....if allowed these people will start to punish people for wearing the wrong color socks!!