Where is the Muslim outrage against thousandfold burned Bibles?

Alfons · Apr 7, 2011

One Christian Pastor Terry Jones has burned a Quran, the political correct politicians in the Western countries are outraged and want to sue this bold Priest, they want to charge him with the so called "hate crime" or to silence him. Till now I am still missing the outrage both of western politically correct politicians and of Muslims against the non-stop 24/7 burning of the Holy Bibles in the Muslim countries e.g. like here in Iran.

My question is should Muslims condemn the thousandfold burning of the Holy Bible like Christians it do?

ARDASHT, IRAN (ANS) -- Following the outrage in the Islamic world about the possible Koran (Qur'an) burning that was due to take place at the Dove World Outreach Centre in Gainesville, Florida, who had launched "International Burn a Koran Day" to coincide with the ninth anniversary of the September 11 2001 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, it is interesting to note that Muslims have been silent about a shocking Bible burning that took place in Iran.

Fortunately for the many Christians living in the Islamic world who were in great danger if this had gone ahead, the church called it off at the last moment.

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A spokesperson for FCNN told the ASSIST News Service (ANS), "This action [of burning the Bibles], which has been confirmed by informed sources, was aired on a site belonging to the Pasdaran paramilitary organization, is nothing less than shameful and the persons responsible must be identified and exposed to the whole world."

The report said that on Saturday, May 29, 2010, Ati News, a site belonging to Morteza Talaee, the previous head of the security forces and the current member of the Tehran's city council, their "social-life reporter" had disclosed that shipments of so-called, "Perverted Torah and Gospels" had entered Iran through its Western borders.

Two days later, on Monday, May 31, 2010, the same report was reiterated by the official anti-crime website of the Pasdaran Army called "Gerdaub" which said that a large shipment of Jewish and Christian Scriptures had entered Iran through the Western Azerbaijan province and, according to security officials of that province, the "occupier forces" that operate in the Western regions of Iraq "were responsible for such activities."

FCCN stated that Gerdaub, the official website of the Pasdaran Army [also known as the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps [IRCG] continued its report by quoting the security official who had stated: "Some of these books are distributed locally, but most of the books are smuggled and distributed all over the country. In just the last few months, hundreds of such 'perverted Bibles' have been seized and burned in the border town of Sardasht."

The same unidentified security source added that his intention has been to "inform and enlighten" people.

The full text is here:

Hundreds of Bibles Have Been Burned By the Iranian Government Security Forces

lpast · Apr 7, 2011

I wish our liberals would get as upset when muslims burn our flag and pictures of our presidents and chant death to america, whine as much about how that sucks as they do about the pastor burning the quran and the subsequent animal shows they muslims have been performing

ThePlayDrive · Apr 7, 2011

Nobody's outraged at Terry Jones for burning a Koran alone - people are outraged at Terry Jones for burning a Koran when he was warned that it could endanger Americans and our allies overseas.

jamesrage · Apr 7, 2011

Respect is a two way street. So if Muslims want people to respect their religion, Korans and other **** then they should be respectful towards other religions by not burning bibles, Torahs and anything else people might consider to be sacred. This is why I think it is idiotic to get upset over a man burning a Koran when muslims in the middle east burn bibles and are not tolerant of other religions.

Personally if I made this thread the title would have been "Should people who burn bibles bitch or complain when others burn Korans?"

digsbe · Apr 7, 2011

Where are the Christians killing Iranians in outrage over thousands of Bibles being burned by a nations government and not by a deranged citizen? I'm a Christian, I believe the Bible is the Words of God. However, burning a book doesn't demising those words and because I believe in the contents of the Bible I do not murder those who offend me or innocents that might be of the same race/nationality of those who offend me.

kerussll · Apr 7, 2011

This question doesn't even make any sense. Try proofreading. FAIL!

jamesrage · Apr 7, 2011

theplaydrive said:
Nobody's outraged at Terry Jones for burning a Koran alone - people are outraged at Terry Jones for burning a Koran when he was warned that it could endanger Americans and our allies overseas.

How far would your placating, butt smooching or salad tossing of terrorists extend to?

Would you be outraged at ministers for performing interracial marriages if racists made threats and then murdered people because those ministers performed interracial weddings?

Would you be outraged at science teachers for teaching the theory of evolution if a religious group started making threats and then murdered people because science teachers were teaching the theory of evolution?

Would you be outraged at a sports team for losing if nut job made threats and then started murdered people because that sports team lost their championship game?

Would you you be outraged at a video game company for not making any more World of Nerd Craft games if die hard world of Nerd Craft fans made threats and then murdered people because that video game company decided that they did not want to make any more sequels to World of Nerd Craft?

Your Star · Apr 7, 2011

lpast said:
I wish our liberals would get as upset when muslims burn our flag and pictures of our presidents and chant death to america, whine as much about how that sucks as they do about the pastor burning the quran and the subsequent animal shows they muslims have been performing

I couldn't give a damn about someone burning anything, and will support free speech no matter what.

ADG · Apr 7, 2011

lpast said:
I wish our liberals would get as upset when muslims burn our flag and pictures of our presidents and chant death to america, whine as much about how that sucks as they do about the pastor burning the quran and the subsequent animal shows they muslims have been performing

You may not be able to hear me in Florida, but when I see some SOB burn my flag I get extremely angry. The next time I see it I promise to curse louder for you.

Mr. Invisible · Apr 7, 2011

Some things need to be set straight:

1. Iran does not represent all Muslims

2. It seems that a lot of people didn't eve know about this until now, or it would have popped up in one of the Koran burning threads

Finally, at the end of the day, while I understand that people should be outraged, no one is really going to care. They'll get angry, but they actually won't get up and do anything.

ADG · Apr 7, 2011

jamesrage said:
Respect is a two way street. So if Muslims want people to respect their religion, Korans and other **** then they should be respectful towards other religions by not burning bibles, Torahs and anything else people might consider to be sacred. This is why I think it is idiotic to get upset over a man burning a Koran when muslims in the middle east burn bibles and are not tolerant of other religions.

Personally if I made this thread the title would have been "Should people who burn bibles bitch or complain when others burn Korans?"

I tend to believe that we, as Americans, should hold ourselves to a higher standard, don't you?

jamesrage · Apr 7, 2011

Mr. Invisible said:
Some things need to be set straight:

1. Iran does not represent all Muslims

2. It seems that a lot of people didn't eve know about this until now, or it would have popped up in one of the Koran burning threads

I have brought it up in a couple of threads.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/96009-should-congress-ban-burning-quran-10.html#post1059391620

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...an-demands-retribution-65.html#post1059391379

ADG · Apr 7, 2011

Your Star said:
I couldn't give a damn about someone burning anything, and will support free speech no matter what.

I agree, and I promise to exercise my powers of free speech if and when I see someone burning the American flag.

jamesrage · Apr 7, 2011

ADG said:
I tend to believe that we, as Americans, should hold ourselves to a higher standard, don't you?

I tend to believe that we shouldn't be making a mountain out of a molehill. All he did was burn a book which is the equivalent to burning a stack of papers, some debris, trash or starting a campfire. But hypocritical retards in the media decided that this was somehow newsworthy and acted as though Terry Jones is the only man on the whole entire planet to ever burn another religion's book. The only reason these PC tards give a **** is because die hard Muslims may kill them if they bash their religion.If this wasn't the case many of these PC tards would probably have a avatar of Mohamed pushing a baby stroller with baby Aisha in it while wearing a wedding dress.

I really do not give a **** if Euro-trash who enjoying ****ting on free speech with idiotic hate speech laws and Religious extremists who do not extend any courtesy or respect towards other religions think more or less highly of us just because some guy in Florida burned a Koran.

Your Star · Apr 7, 2011

ADG said:
I agree, and I promise to exercise my powers of free speech if and when I see someone burning the American flag.

I really don't get mad at people who burn our flag, it just makes them look like an asshole, there's no need to waste energy being angry IMO.

Redress · Apr 7, 2011

Another example of why google is your friend: http://www.energypublisher.com/article.asp?id=17283

...suspects burned a bible and other sacred texts, leaving a letter threatening Christians that they will "burn in the fire of hell" if they do not convert to Islam...

Most of the people in the village are Muslim, and there are between 50 and 70 Christian families. The church is used by Catholics and Protestants, without conflict. When they became aware of the sacrilege, many Muslims went to the church together with the Christians. Now the police are investigating the "suspects" for the crime of blasphemy.

Muslim Community Seeks to Prevent Bible Burning in South Africa | Southern Africa | English

A respected South African Muslim organization has turned to the courts to prevent a fellow-Muslim from burning bibles in retaliation to threats by a United States pastor to burn the Quran.

South African Muslims Prevent a 'Bible Bonfire': The Star, South Africa

"In their papers, the applicants introduced and brought to my attention verses of the Quran I was unaware of. In other words, the Quran says that the Gospel is part of the Quran, and that if I burn the Bible, I'm also burning the Quran. That man (Jones) can go burn the Quran - he is also burning the Bible. Luckily they stopped me from doing it."

An Indispensable Look at America from Newspapers Around the Planet South African Muslims Prevent a 'Bible Bonfire': The Star, South Africa

Do I need to go on?

ThePlayDrive · Apr 7, 2011

jamesrage said:
How far would your placating, butt smooching or salad tossing of terrorists extend to?

Considering that I supported our entry in Afghanistan to capture Osama bin Laden and because I considered becoming a foreign policy strategist or suicide terrorism specialist at a foreign policy think tank in order to combat terrorism inside and out of the US, this doesn't apply to me.

Would you be outraged at ministers for performing interracial marriages if racists made threats and then murdered people because those ministers performed interracial weddings?

Would you be outraged at science teachers for teaching the theory of evolution if a religious group started making threats and then murdered people because science teachers were teaching the theory of evolution?

Would you be outraged at a sports team for losing if nut job made threats and then started murdered people because that sports team lost their championship game?

Would you you be outraged at a video game company for not making any more World of Nerd Craft games if die hard world of Nerd Craft fans made threats and then murdered people because that video game company decided that they did not want to make any more sequels to World of Nerd Craft?

I didn't read past the first question because I realized that all you were writing was nonsensical emotion-based responses to an imaginary argument that I didn't make.

Mr. Invisible · Apr 7, 2011

jamesrage said:
I tend to believe that we shouldn't be making a mountain out of a molehill. All he did was burn a book which is the equivalent to burning a stack of papers, some debris, trash or starting a campfire.

Isn't the Bible the same thing "a book which is the equivalent to burning a stack of papers, some debris, trash or starting a campfire?"

ADG · Apr 7, 2011

jamesrage said:
I tend to believe that we shouldn't be making a mountain out of a molehill. All he did was burn a book which is the equivalent to burning a stack of papers, some debris, trash or starting a campfire. But hypocritical retards in the media decided that this was somehow newsworthy and acted as though Terry Jones is the only man on the whole entire planet to ever burn another religion's book.

I really do not give a **** if Euro-trash who enjoying ****ting on free speech with idiotic hate speech laws and Religious extremists who do not extend any courtesy or respect towards other religions think more or less highly of us just because some guy in Florida burned a Koran.

The opinions of Europeans and religious extremists aside, it is only our actions that matter. One man burned a Qu'ran and a majority of those in his own country expressed their outrage for the action. The media called attention to it, but wasn't that because Pastor Jones called the media to let them know when and where the book burning was going to occurr? Answer is yes. Jones seeked attention for this action, and he got it, but few people in this country support him. That, to me, speaks volumes and gives me hope that we are holding ourselves to that higher standard I mentioned before. If America must lead, than let us lead in this way.

ADG · Apr 7, 2011

Your Star said:
I really don't get mad at people who burn our flag, it just makes them look like an asshole, there's no need to waste energy being angry IMO.

Perhaps the anger is misdirected, but I can't deny I have it.

jamesrage · Apr 7, 2011

theplaydrive said:
Considering that I supported our entry in Afghanistan to capture Osama bin Laden, this doesn't apply to me.

I didn't read past the first question because I realized that all you were writing was nonsensical emotion-based responses to an imaginary argument that I didn't make.

So in other words you only placate Muslim extremists.

jamesrage · Apr 7, 2011

Mr. Invisible said:
Isn't the Bible the same thing "a book which is the equivalent to burning a stack of papers, some debris, trash or starting a campfire?"

As long as it is not the bible I own I could care less if they burn it, tear pages out of it to roll joints or use the pages as toilet paper or napkins. Yes all it is just a stack of papers.

Mr. Invisible · Apr 7, 2011

I know this is a tad off-topic, but it has been mentioned in the thread.

If people want to burn the flag that is their business (even thought I do not agree w/ it and think they are a-holes) and it is also protected by the 1st Amendment.

ThePlayDrive · Apr 7, 2011

jamesrage said:
So in other words you only placate Muslim extremists.

Once again, you've created an imaginary argument that I did not make in order to satisfy some need within you to express your feelings.

You might try to understand people's arguments before you stereotype them based on their political ideology.

ThePlayDrive · Apr 7, 2011

Alfons said:
One Christian Pastor Terry Jones has burned a Quran, the political correct politicians in the Western countries are outraged and want to sue this bold Priest, they want to charge him with the so called "hate crime" or to silence him. Till now I am still missing the outrage both of western politically correct politicians and of Muslims against the non-stop 24/7 burning of the Holy Bibles in the Muslim countries e.g. like here in Iran.

My question is should Muslims condemn the thousandfold burning of the Holy Bible like Christians it do?

The full text is here:

Hundreds of Bibles Have Been Burned By the Iranian Government Security Forces

I don't think Muslims need to condemn the burning of Bibles anymore than Christians need to condemn the burning of Korans. No community is collectively responsible for the other members of the community - people do what they want.

Where is the Muslim outrage against thousandfold burned Bibles?

Should Muslims condemn the burning of the Holy Bibles like Christians it do?

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