Where are the REAL men?

[Oberon]

Well, many Real Men as you describe them can probably afford good prostitutes and don't really have time to waste on selfish high maintenance Valley Girl types, not to mention many may be living with their parents because of expensive divorces, alimony, and child support from the last sniveling neurotic 'Real Woman' they married.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

Well, many Real Men as you describe them can probably afford good prostitutes and don't really have time to waste on selfish high maintenance Valley Girl types, not to mention many may be living with their parents because of expensive divorces, alimony, and child support from the last sniveling neurotic 'Real Woman' they married.

Nope, no personal issues here. None at all.

 

[Gathomas88]

Josie's a nice girl.

You'll have to wait until the second date for that.

Candy's dandy, my friend, but liquor's quicker.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Candy's dandy, my friend, but liquor's quicker.

I don't believe Josie drinks.

 

[joko104]

Most men don't handle a requirement of being multiple personalities shifting between them to suit a woman very well. To be alpha, to be equal, and to be omega like a roller coaster. "Real men" as you define then will have the natures that are sometimes not desirable too.

In relationships, for it to be a good one, a person has to understand what he/she wants - but then also recognize that with those wants will also come "can't haves."

Few women would have any interest in me, but those few would have great interest. I doubt many men could handle my wife for long. We both are extreme in many ways - and unchangeably so. Yet we are right for each other.

In short, keep looking. Maybe you are initially portraying yourself in a way that is contrary to your real self, leading to a higher rate of being mismatched.

 

[Gathomas88]

I don't believe Josie drinks.

That just means she'll have lower tolerance.

(I keed! I keed!)

More seriously though, I still have as of yet to meet a female who won't at least try something fruity if you nudge her a bit. Take her to a sushi place and buy a little thing of flavored saki with two shot glasses, for instance.

You'll both be having fun in no time. :mrgreen:

 

[Oberon]

Nope, no personal issues here. None at all.

Ho, not at all; I avoided all that and married a self-motivated and independent woman who isn't a neurotic attention whore who was either spoiled by her father or didn't have one present at all.

 

[Risky Thicket]

That just means she'll have lower tolerance. View attachment 67146119

(I keed! I keed!)

More seriously though, I still have as of yet to meet a female who won't at least try something fruity if you nudge her a bit. Take her to a sushi place and buy a little thing of flavored saki with two shot glasses, for instance.

You'll both be having fun in no time. :mrgreen:

Be careful, mate. Some of them can't wait to get married, have a little house with a white picket fence, start having babies and quit having sex. Unless that is your idea of marital bliss, you'll soon find yourself waking up alone laying next to somebody you married. Been that and done there.

"Fenced yards ain't hole cards and like as not they never will be", from Old Five and Dimers written by Billy Joe Shaver.

 

[Josie]

I don't believe Josie drinks.

Ironic, no?

 

[Thom Paine]

Josie's Theme






Where have all the good men gone
and where are all the gods?
Where's the streetwise Hercules to fight the rising odds?
Isn't there a white knight upon a fiery steed?
Late at night I toss
and I turn
and I dream of what I need.
I need a hero. I'm holding out for a hero 'til the end of the night.
He's gotta be strong
and he's gotta be fast

And he's gotta be fresh from the fight.
I need a hero. I'm holding out for a hero 'til the morning light.
He's gotta be sure
and it's gotta be soon

And he's gotta be larger than life!
larger than life.
Somewhere after midnight
in my wildest fantasy

Somewhere just beyond my reach
there's someone reaching back for me.
Racing on the thunder and rising with the heat

It's gonna take a superman to sweep me off my feet.
I need a hero. I'm holding out for a hero 'til the end of the night.
He's gotta be strong
and he's gotta be fast

And he's gotta be fresh from the fight.
I need a hero. I'm holding out for a hero 'til the morning light.
He's gotta be sure
and it's gotta be soon

And he's gotta be larger than life.
I need a hero. I'm holding out for a hero 'til the end of the night.
Up where the mountains meet the heavens above

Out where the lightning splits the sea

I could swear there is someone
somewhere
watching me.
Through the wind
and the chill
and the rain

And the storm
and the flood

I can feel his approach like a fire in my blood.
I need a hero. I'm holding out for a hero 'til the end of the night.
He's gotta be strong and he's gotta be fast

And he's gotta be fresh from the fight.
I need a hero. I'm holding out for a hero 'til the morning light.
He's gotta be sure
and it's gotta be soon

And he's gotta be larger than life.
I need a hero. I'm hoXding out for a hero 'til the end of the night.

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[Josie]

I LOVE that song!

 

[Thom Paine]

Be diligent Josie, what you are seeking is there.

Thom Paine

 

[Risky Thicket]

Ironic, no?

Naaa, baby girl, I know more than a few bartenders who don't drink. They've seen more than enough reasons to quit drinking.

 

[shlunka]

They're right here, to the left of this post.

 

[American]

Well, again, what are calling a metrosexual? A guy who can match clothes?

Metrosexual - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Precisely! There is having style, and there's obsession. Real men aren't obsessed with their appearance. That doesn't mean slob. They believe in honor and duty and are protective of women, are alpha without arrogance. They aren't afraid to make decisions. There are probably things you don't like about them, because they still fit the stereotype of having very masculine characteristics, and don't spend inordinant amounts of time finding their feminine side. Real men are the ones you DEFINITELY feel will protect you. Most of the women I know are looking for that kind of man.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

Metrosexual - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Precisely! There is having style, and there's obsession. Real men aren't obsessed with their appearance. That doesn't mean slob. They believe in honor and duty and are protective of women, are alpha without arrogance. They aren't afraid to make decisions. There are probably things you don't like about them, because they still fit the stereotype of having very masculine characteristics, and don't spend inordinant amounts of time finding their feminine side. Real men are the ones you DEFINITELY feel will protect you. Most of the women I know are looking for that kind of man.

Sorry, but all that chest-beating "protect the helpless wimmenz" stuff kind of makes me feel ill.

How about just a dude who treats me like a regular person who happens to be of his preferred sex? Being able to match clothes is optional. Don't care about that either.

Ideally, we all try to protect the people we love in whatever ways we can when it's necessary, regardless of what our sex or gender is. But I am a grown adult and I don't need to be treated like a child, and I don't need a man to tell me which way the wind blows.

 

[Gardener]

Sorry, but all that chest-beating "protect the helpless wimmenz" stuff kind of makes me feel ill.

How about just a dude who treats me like a regular person who happens to be of his preferred sex? Being able to match clothes is optional. Don't care about that either.

Ideally, we all try to protect the people we love in whatever ways we can when it's necessary, regardless of what our sex or gender is. But I am a grown adult and I don't need to be treated like a child, and I don't need a man to tell me which way the wind blows.

But S & M (oops, on second thought, maybe I shouldn't use your initials), doesn't all this mean...... gasp!, that you aren't a REAL woman?

I have never understood how so many people with limited imaginations and an ingrained fear of anything different try so hard to limit others by putting them in a neat, little box. I suppose it is easier to deal with the world by creating these rigid roles to which others must adapt, but I've always viewed it as being so conformist that anybody with these silly notions are just too damned boring for me to want to get to know in the first place. Why can't people just be who they are without having to worry so much about having to conform to the expectations placed upon them by insecure people who have this need for such rigid gender roles.

I suppose one way to look at it, though, is that when all these girly girls find the manly men of their dreams and the manly men conquer the girly girls of theirs, it leaves all the interesting, creative, original people to find each other. Not a bad deal, really.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

But S & M (oops, on second thought, maybe I shouldn't use your initials), doesn't all this mean...... gasp!, that you aren't a REAL woman?

I have never understood how so many people with limited imaginations and an ingrained fear of anything different try so hard to limit others by putting them in a neat, little box. I suppose it is easier to deal with the world by creating these rigid roles to which others must adapt, but I've always viewed it as being so conformist that anybody with these silly notions are just too damned boring for me to want to get to know in the first place. Why can't people just be who they are without having to worry so much about having to conform to the expectations placed upon them by insecure people who have this need for such rigid gender roles.

I suppose one way to look at it, though, is that when all these girly girls find the manly men of their dreams and the manly men conquer the girly girls of theirs, it leaves all the interesting, creative, original people to find each other. Not a bad deal, really.

Exactly. Fortunately for me, I am immediately identifiable as "not a girly girl." Not sure if it's the lack of make-up, or the lack of a brainless giggle whenever he speaks, but they just don't show up on my radar at all. It's very, very nice for me. Maybe I just don't pay attention, but the only guys who make it onto my radar at all are guys who have a refreshing lack of gender baggage. They just are whatever they are.

I guess it makes people feel secure to not have to figure out their own identity; to just accept the identity assigned to them by society. Learning about who you are is scary and time-consuming. It feels like every year, I think to myself, "I think I'm starting to get who I am," and yet I'm always wrong. :lol:

Some people are afraid of that process, and afraid of whatever they might have otherwise been.

 

[joko104]

Metrosexual - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Precisely! There is having style, and there's obsession. Real men aren't obsessed with their appearance. That doesn't mean slob. They believe in honor and duty and are protective of women, are alpha without arrogance. They aren't afraid to make decisions. There are probably things you don't like about them, because they still fit the stereotype of having very masculine characteristics, and don't spend inordinant amounts of time finding their feminine side. Real men are the ones you DEFINITELY feel will protect you. Most of the women I know are looking for that kind of man.

My wife got to know the trophy wife of a very wealthy rancher/cowboy type. She said one time she asked her husband if he ever wants to get in touch with his feminine side? Not grasping the political/social meaning of that question, he promptly apologized for getting in late and said that as soon as he can take a shower he'll attend to her. To him, SHE is is "feminine side" and he heard it as her wanting to have sex.

 

[notquiteright]

They've gone the same place as the real women, Josie. You know, the women who are happy to undertake the more domestic lifestyle, to accept their role as wife and mother, and to treat the Man in their life like the King He should be.

Real Men have largely gone away because there is not much of a point to them in society today. Why bother trying to be one, when most of the women you meet are trying to be just as much a Man as you are? At one time the social contract accepted that there were different roles for Men and women. Roles that were interconnected and which supported each other. Since that paradigm is no longer in place, why would most Men still choose to live up to their side of that contract if modern women aren't going to live up to theirs?

Seems a bit shallow to me. I don't do what I do as part of some 'contract' with my wife. I am what I think I should be, I don't need a lot of other people agreeing with that, I certainly don't need a lot of loser women liking me. Now as far as not trying because women are trying to be as much of as I, I thought YOU was one of the guys saying, no way, no how can a woman compete with them? It seems a nonsensical 'competition', a great many women would have to pull their mental and actual punches for you to win all the time, as you ain't smarter than all women or stronger or faster... seems to me I should just be the best me I can be and it will all come out in the wash.

FYI, I King is over rated, I am the team leader of my house with excellent advise and consultation support...

 

[notquiteright]

The last few dates I've been on have been with guys who either still live with mommy and daddy, have no job and/or can't make a decision on their own. Where are the men who know what they want, have worked their asses off to get what they want and aren't afraid to knock some heads around when necessary? I want one of those.

I'd say that in the civilian world the guys who knock heads around when necessary are either bouncers in titty bars or doing time. :shock:

Perhaps you could check-out an Army/Marine base, just make sure the guys are not civilians who learned how to salute...

 

[Tigger]

Seems a bit shallow to me. I don't do what I do as part of some 'contract' with my wife. I am what I think I should be, I don't need a lot of other people agreeing with that, I certainly don't need a lot of loser women liking me.

I don't doubt that it sounds shallow. I see life as a huge contract. A social and societal contract. I don't need anyone agreeing with me and I most certainly have no use for loose women. What I've sought for the last quarter century is a traditional woman.... someone who already agrees with my view of the world. Thankfully I've finally found her.

Now as far as not trying because women are trying to be as much of as I, I thought YOU was one of the guys saying, no way, no how can a woman compete with them? It seems a nonsensical 'competition', a great many women would have to pull their mental and actual punches for you to win all the time, as you ain't smarter than all women or stronger or faster... seems to me I should just be the best me I can be and it will all come out in the wash.

I don't believe I ever said they COULDN'T compete with Men. I simply indicated that due to their gender they SHOULDN'T compete with Men. I believe society is not about what one CAN DO, WANT TO DO, or LIKE TO DO, but about what one SHOULD DO.

FYI, I King is over rated, I am the team leader of my house with excellent advise and consultation support...

It's not so much "I, King" as it is "I, CEO". I have a responsibility to make sure things are run properly, in good order, and that the books are properly dealt with.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Dating is much too clinical..why not enjoy (or not enjoy) each others company..??

It doesn't always work..

I can't remember how many bog windows I have climbed out of..:lamo

I have come to the conclusion dating sucks (for me at least). I just started another relationship, and I follow a pattern it seems in finding people. Dating isn't part of that pattern. Plus dating is just weird and uncomfortable for me.

 

[notquiteright]

I don't doubt that it sounds shallow. I see life as a huge contract. A social and societal contract. I don't need anyone agreeing with me and I most certainly have no use for loose women. What I've sought for the last quarter century is a traditional woman.... someone who already agrees with my view of the world. Thankfully I've finally found her. I don't believe I ever said they COULDN'T compete with Men. I simply indicated that due to their gender they SHOULDN'T compete with Men. I believe society is not about what one CAN DO, WANT TO DO, or LIKE TO DO, but about what one SHOULD DO. It's not so much "I, King" as it is "I, CEO". I have a responsibility to make sure things are run properly, in good order, and that the books are properly dealt with.

I think most people see a mating or pairing for the long term as a contract of sorts. Yours simply seems one set in a bygone era that didn't really exist. I suppose when you gave your opinion on why men are not being men you were blaming women for that, their refusal to 'mind their place' as you see it. Your concept of what a woman 'should do' is highly indicative of your fantasy world mindset that doesn't work in today's or for that matter any world but a fantasy role-play world. It seems a very stilted world where the few people who play that lack penises can't be all they can be.

One thing about you is a continual assertion you don't need anyone to agree with you and yet you constantly put your opinion out there, knowing full well the number of people who agree with you won't fill the fingers of one hand... interesting.

We have held enough discussions here for me to have an idea of your education and vocabulary. I find it difficult to believe that after months of seeing you so dogmatic in your opinions, so set in their meaning you used 'King' when you 'really' meant 'CEO'. (especially after reading some of the rather tyrannical things you have done to former room mates and a refusal to do business with female bank tellers.)

Anywho back to the OP's question, there are millions of men out there working hard, looking for that one good woman, that would defend her honor. The problem is they tend to go back to their place most nights, saving their money and too tired to hit the clubs every night. Personally I don't think men were all that ready to bust a few heads back in the day, and the communal apartments that were bachelor pads were my generation's answer to a failure to launch.

You don't catch trophy fish in mud holes, you have to be a good fisherman to land a 'keeper'...

 

[Tigger]

I think most people see a mating or pairing for the long term as a contract of sorts. Yours simply seems one set in a bygone era that didn't really exist.

It existed far more than you like to give it credit for. Not quite to the full extent that I would prefer, but much closer than what we have today.

I suppose when you gave your opinion on why men are not being men you were blaming women for that, their refusal to 'mind their place' as you see it. Your concept of what a woman 'should do' is highly indicative of your fantasy world mindset that doesn't work in today's or for that matter any world but a fantasy role-play world. It seems a very stilted world where the few people who play that lack penises can't be all they can be.

Actually I believe that both genders are at blame for what has happened over time. Both women and Men have chosen to ignore their proper places in society and take on unacceptable and improper roles. Women may have started the trend, but too many men have been more than happy to follow suit. Some of us are more concerned with what we SHOULD be than what we CAN or WANT to be.

One thing about you is a continual assertion you don't need anyone to agree with you and yet you constantly put your opinion out there, knowing full well the number of people who agree with you won't fill the fingers of one hand... interesting.

I long ago stopped worrying about what anyone else thinks of my opinions and worldview. That frees me to be able to state my beliefs with purpose and definity without having to worry about who will or will not agree with it. Honestly, I don't care about other people enough for their opinions to have an effect on me.

We have held enough discussions here for me to have an idea of your education and vocabulary. I find it difficult to believe that after months of seeing you so dogmatic in your opinions, so set in their meaning you used 'King' when you 'really' meant 'CEO'. (especially after reading some of the rather tyrannical things you have done to former room mates and a refusal to do business with female bank tellers.)

I see CEOs as more or less the Royaly of this day and age. Both groups wield vast amounts of power with little to no recompense from their subjects/employees. The main difference is that the CEO has hopefully proven that he has some capabilities to lead before he steps up to the job whereas most Royals gain their position via heredity.

You don't catch trophy fish in mud holes, you have to be a good fisherman to land a 'keeper'...

That depends on how you define a "keeper". Somehow I think we'd define it very differently, and I'd rather land a nice simple sunfish than a Marlin any day of the week.