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When does a fetus become a baby?

Stace said:
No, not about abortion....just your personal opinion on when a zygote is still considered simply a fetus, and when you consider it to be a baby.
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A zygoat is a person, it is a stage of developement that every "person" goes through. Again DNA proves this. Fetus is Latin word for Baby again another stage of developement for a "person". Infant is a stage of developement for a "person". Toddler is a stage of developement for a "person". Child is a stage of developement for a "person". Teenager is a stage of developement for a "person". Young adult stage of developement for a "person". Adult stage of developement for a "person". Senior Citizen stage of developement for a "person". HMMM I posted this because I am afraid the Pro Abortion crowd might move up fom which stage of development they can abort, which has already happen through partial birth abortion. Lets face it sooner or later the Pro abortion crowd might be aborted themselves as there will not be enough taxpayors to pay for social security, after all the illegal aliens can not be expected to pay for us.
 
Navy Pride said:
No the priest is the steward of Jesus Christ........Do you know who he is?

Never mind responding I already know the answer........:roll:
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Then you KNOW that I am well versed in the life of the Christ, having spent most of my life in the church.
 
Navy Pride said:
He is a nut case and speaks for very few pro life people......
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You are so full of ****, navy. Terry randall was the head of Operation Rescue when it was one of the most funded, most lauded organizations in the prolife community. he had a huge following among prolifers.

And no, he did not fall from grace because he made the above hate mongering claims about executing physicians. He was dumped because he was seen as not "moral" enough, when he about 5-7 years after the start of his prominence and admiration within the porolife community ended up having an affair and divorced his wife. Prolifers supported Terry Randall and O.R. AL LOT of prolifers supported him. Your claim of his marginal status is flat-out a lie. For 5 years or more, he was the most prominent prolifer there was.
40,000,000 butcheed babies in the womb since 1972, think about it.......
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Ah, more reivisionist linguistic hyperbole.
 
Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:
A zygoat is a person, it is a stage of developement that every "person" goes through.
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"person" remains a legal term. IT still has been defined in the US Constitution and through court rulings and has been found to not include the unborn.

Person is NOT a biological term, however.
Again DNA proves this.
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DNA proves various biological points. It doesn't prove legal status. Your claim is utter nonsense.
Fetus is Latin word for Baby
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No, it isn't. This has been disproved in the past, and you have ignored the evidence. That must mean you are making this false claim, deliberately knowing that it is false. So you are lying.
again another stage of developement for a "person".
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Persons don't have developmental stages. Person is a legal term.
Infant is a stage of developement for a "person".
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Incorrect. The biological, developmental stage known as "infant" falls inside the legal milieu where it is a person.
Toddler is a stage of developement for a "person".
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Incorrect. The biological, developmental stage known as "toddler" falls inside the legal milieu where it is a person.
Child is a stage of developement for a "person".
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Incorrect. The biological, developmental stage known as "child" falls inside the legal milieu where it is a person.
Teenager is a stage of developement for a "person". Young adult stage of developement for a "person".
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Incorrect. The socially descriptive stage known as "teenager" falls inside the legal milieu where it is a person.
Adult stage of developement for a "person".
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Incorrect. The biological, developmental stage known as "adult" falls inside the legal milieu where it is a person.
Senior Citizen stage of developement for a "person".
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Incorrect. The socially descriptive stage known as "Senior Citizen" falls inside the legal milieu where it is a person.
HMMM I posted this because
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Well, it was all false, so you posting it was utterly irrelevant, only further underscoring the duality of dishonesty and ignorance found in so many prolife postings based solely on emotional fervor but with no attention whatsoever to reality and facts. Rather sad that this is the only way that prolifers often can come up with an argument.
I am afraid the Pro Abortion crowd might move up fom which stage of development they can abort,
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WOW. After all this time, you are STILL so incredibly ignorant about this subject that you don't even know what an abortion is? This is scary. You have posted a lot about abortions here, and your posts show you don't even know what the procedure is, doesn't it?
which has already happen through partial birth abortion.
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There is no such thing.
Lets face it sooner or later the Pro abortion crowd might be aborted themselves
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Bwahahahaha, statement from position of extreme ignorance (or is it just lying, prolife, revisionist linguistic hyperbole? Could it be that Freem KNOWS what abortion means but just don't care about falsely using it in other meanings? )
as there will not be enough taxpayors to pay for social security, after all the illegal aliens can not be expected to pay for us.
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And for good measure, you throw a bit of xenophobic, racist bigotry in on top of everything. What a lame argument.
 
You were probably falling asleep then when the teacher was telling you of what it means to be christian or for that matter what a christian is.
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Wow, a personal attack when you can't refute my point......Great addition to the debate but what else is new with you.........so sad......:roll:
 
tecoyah said:
Then you KNOW that I am well versed in the life of the Christ, having spent most of my life in the church.
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Yeah, right.......:roll:
 
Navy Pride said:
Yeah, right.......:roll:
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What were you just saying about personal attack?
 
steen said:
You are so full of ****, navy. Terry randall was the head of Operation Rescue when it was one of the most funded, most lauded organizations in the prolife community. he had a huge following among prolifers.

And no, he did not fall from grace because he made the above hate mongering claims about executing physicians. He was dumped because he was seen as not "moral" enough, when he about 5-7 years after the start of his prominence and admiration within the porolife community ended up having an affair and divorced his wife. Prolifers supported Terry Randall and O.R. AL LOT of prolifers supported him. Your claim of his marginal status is flat-out a lie. For 5 years or more, he was the most prominent prolifer there was.
Ah, more reivisionist linguistic hyperbole.
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He is a nut case and I know of very few pro life people that follow him.He just gets a lot of publicity

If he breaks the law he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.......Its funny how you lefties are so pro 1st amendment And see nothing wrong with the outrageous comments a Ward Churchill, Cindy Sheehan, or Michal Moore say no matter how outrageous it is because its protected, but don't let someone with a different viewpoint speak by that same amendment.......

Can you say Hypocrites???:roll:
 
steen said:
"person" remains a legal term. IT still has been defined in the US Constitution and through court rulings and has been found to not include the unborn.
Not Yet

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

Person is NOT a biological term, however.
DNA proves various biological points. It doesn't prove legal status. Your claim is utter nonsense.

I never did claim Legal status exisited "Yet"

No, it isn't. This has been disproved in the past, and you have ignored the evidence. That must mean you are making this false claim, deliberately knowing that it is false. So you are lying.

So I guess everyone that expresses an opinion is lying except steeen boo hoo boo hoo.

Persons don't have developmental stages. Person is a legal term.

Who says? In Webster' New Ideal Dictionary Person: a Human being an individual. how can I expect you to know that after all you are a immigrant BTW are you here legally. What is your legal status?

Incorrect. The biological, developmental stage known as "infant" falls inside the legal milieu where it is a person.

Ok We agree

Incorrect. The biological, developmental stage known as "toddler" falls inside the legal milieu where it is a person.

OK we agreeI

ncorrect. The biological, developmental stage known as "child" falls inside the legal milieu where it is a person.

OK We Agree BTW why are you saying incorrect if we agee??

Incorrect. The socially descriptive stage known as "teenager" falls inside the legal milieu where it is a person.

What is the meaning of "it" here steen Oh I see you use it several times?

Incorrect. The biological, developmental stage known as "adult" falls inside the legal milieu where it is a person.
Incorrect. The socially descriptive stage known as "Senior Citizen" falls inside the legal milieu where it is a person.
Well, it was all false, so you posting it was utterly irrelevant, only further underscoring the duality of dishonesty and ignorance found in so many prolife postings based solely on emotional fervor but with no attention whatsoever to reality and facts. Rather sad that this is the only way that prolifers often can come up with an argument.

Fact is your ignorant about life why don't you go out and get one

WOW. After all this time, you are STILL so incredibly ignorant about this subject that you don't even know what an abortion is? This is scary. You have posted a lot about abortions here, and your posts show you don't even know what the procedure is, doesn't it?
There is no such thing.

This really does not deserve a response you have lost all credibility with me. Do you own a chain of abortion clinics? Or maybe one? Do you come here to justify what you do? Why are you here Why do you attack the Pro Life movement the way you do? I really find you to be a disturbed individual you need help.

Bwahahahaha, statement from position of extreme ignorance (or is it just lying, prolife, revisionist linguistic hyperbole? Could it be that Freem KNOWS what abortion means but just don't care about falsely using it in other meanings? )
And for good measure, you throw a bit of xenophobic, racist bigotry in on top of everything. What a lame argument.
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You are the Racist denying a Human being the right to exist is Racist HMm Who else did the same thing. There is a list of people..
 
Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:
You are the Racist denying a Human being the right to exist is Racist HMm Who else did the same thing. There is a list of people..
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Be civil. This was all unnecessary.
 
Stace said:
Be civil. This was all unnecessary.
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There are many things from JP Freem that are unnecessary.

For example, questioning the status of steen being in our country legally? Where did that come from?????

This was another example of the pro-life emotions when it comes to this issue.
 
Caine said:
There are many things from JP Freem that are unnecessary.

For example, questioning the status of steen being in our country legally? Where did that come from?????


This was another example of the pro-life emotions when it comes to this issue.
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In a previous post steen said he was an immigrant. I would like to know if he is here legally since he questions the legal staus of the unborn.
 
Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:
steen has called me a racist numerous times. I have never denied anyone the right to exist.
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Well, I haven't seen anyone call you a racist. And regardless, being racist is not denying anyone the right to exist......
 
Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:
steen has called me a racist numerous times. I have never denied anyone the right to exist.
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So now a fetus is not only a human, but has its own 'RACE'
What kinda logic is that????

And whats with that Avatar, its disguisting.
 
Caine said:
So now a fetus is not only a human, but has its own 'RACE'
What kinda logic is that????

Never said that. Ever hear of age discrimination?

And whats with that Avatar, its disguisting.
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That is my son born at 20 weeks.
 
Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:
That is my son born at 20 weeks.
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Well, not "born" per se.... you have to be alive to be born.
You've already stated it wasn't alive when it was born, thats called a miscarriage.

It doesn't help your arguments.
 
Caine said:
Well, not "born" per se.... you have to be alive to be born.
You've already stated it wasn't alive when it was born, thats called a miscarriage.

It doesn't help your arguments.
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Actually, at 20 weeks gestation, I believe it's considered stillborn, not a miscarriage.
 
Caine said:
Should I take that as a personal attack???
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Suck it up Caine....you're a toughy!;)
 
Caine said:
Well, not "born" per se.... you have to be alive to be born.
You've already stated it wasn't alive when it was born, thats called a miscarriage.

It doesn't help your arguments.
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Aparently you do not read my post or you might not comprehend to well. My boy was born alive at 20 weeks.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/showthread.php?t=5871
 
Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:
My Baby Was Not still Born. I guess if you are pro abortion you have a hard time comprehending.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/showthread.php?t=5871
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That was uncalled for. Especially considering that I am pro choice, not pro abortion. If I were pro abortion, I would say that every woman needs to have an abortion.

I was simply correcting Caine on his terminology, Felicity has already posted that link, I saw it after I had already made my own post.
 
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