My honey's father was in the area when a bombing of farben was taking place. He said the thing that amazed him was how many bombs were dropped and farben still stood. A Jew fighting for america in europe. He lived long enough to see trump's first term and he despised him.View attachment 67564080
From left: Former Nazi diplomat Franz von Papen, financier Hjalmar Schacht and propaganda chief Hans Fritsche after their acquittal on war crimes charges in Nuremberg, Oct. 4, 1946. (Bettmann/Getty Images)
Throughout the 1920s, most of Germany's wealthy industrialists preferred to support explicitly business-friendly conservative parties, who offered a less overtly destabilizing vision for the nation's future.
At first, most wealthy Nazi supporters were a mixed bag of aimless socialites, heirs and heiresses who wanted to feel special (in this case, racially and culturally special; see Nordic Circle) and those who held antisemitic beliefs or were attracted to Hitler's call for national revanchism and perhaps to Hitler himself.
But as the Weimar Republic's economy collapsed, so did the ruling coalition led by the center-left Social Democratic Party. Popular discontent emboldened both the Nazis and the Communists, and increasingly, industrial and banking leaders came to see Hitler as the weapon they could wield to crush the radical left.
Hitler outlined plans to purge the government of leftists and eliminate trade unions, arguing that the moneyed assemblage's economic interests were best served by assertive militarism and the outright destruction of Germany's parliamentary system. "Private enterprise cannot be maintained in the age of democracy," he declared.
When big business rolled over for fascism — and cashed in
The aspiring dictator promised to crush the left and deliver big profits — so the capitalist class went all-inwww.salon.com
Sound familiar?
Fun Facts: The company I. G. Farben went on to become the Bayer Corporation. Most American corporations supported all of it.
But as the Weimar Republic's economy collapsed, so did the ruling coalition led by the center-left Social Democratic Party. Popular discontent emboldened both the Nazis and the Communists, and increasingly, industrial and banking leaders came to see Hitler as the weapon they could wield to crush the radical left.
Hitler outlined plans to purge the government of leftists and eliminate trade unions,
Nazi Germany wasn’t a “socialist state”.No, they saw Nazism as an alternative to the left. Everyone saw how leftists destroyed the Russian economy, so they took a chance on Hitler's version of socialism.
He nationalized the unions, he didn't eliminated them. You can't have independent unions in a socialist state. Unions in both Nazi Germany and Communist Russia became arms of the state.
Nazi Germany wasn’t a “socialist state”.
Rapid remilitarization and infrastructure projects do not, in fact, make a country “socialist”. No “socialist” state would put a bunch of noblemen in charge of the military, for that matter.If the Nazi government controlled the German economy, then it was a socialist state.
Look at what the Nazis accomplished. They built one of the most formidable war machines on the planet, and they built the autobahn, massive rail expansion, along with a huge amount of other infrastructure projects.
They did all of this in just six years. No one can deny that to accomplish that much in such a short of a time span would require total control over the means of production. So yes, Nazi Germany was a socialist state.
edit: Oh, and Hitler started with an economy that was in shambles.
Rapid remilitarization and infrastructure projects do not, in fact, make a country “socialist”.
Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany’s bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on others what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for foodstuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism.
The biggest injustice at Nuremburg, was none of those financiers, or corporations had their assets seized.There is at least one documentary about how the elites, the capitalist barons actually dreamed up a plot to try to not remove Roosevelt from power but to let's say nueter him and leave his powerless in the oval office as they ran the country from behind the scenes. They didn't like his social programs, it took away from their profits. So, nothing new from the people with obscene amounts of money, they are still doing their best to use their money to influence American politics. Can you say Elon musk?
And republicans who think the GOP cares about you, you have been duped for so long you think your kind of government is good.
Nope, as shown by the fact that the Nazis actively allied with Germany’s nobility and industrialists, first in crushing Germany’s leftists, and then in waging a genocidal war of conquest against the USSR.Yes, but the degree to which the Nazi government controlled the German economy does make the country socialist. For just one example, here is a primary source:
While Russia had five year plans:
Germany had four year plans:
It's the same butcher wearing a different apron.
Nope, as shown by the fact that the Nazis actively allied with Germany’s nobility and industrialists,
The industrialists were happy to work with the far right in murdering as many “Marxists” as they could, as their alliance with Hitler and his thugs, who were anything but “Marxist” shows.The Nazis also allied with the USSR, so I guess that counts as evidence for my side. In the early years of the war, it was the USSR that gave the Nazis everything they needed regarding food, oil, steel, rubber, and lots more.
Hitler had big plans and needed to get a lot of shit done quickly. Marxists typically murder the industrialists, and then run the company into the ground. Hitler was smarter than that. Instead he controlled the industrialists, while letting them continue to run their companies. But Hitler also had total and complete control of all raw materials and all labor. The industrialists also saw what the Nazis did to Hugo Junkers in 1933. Disobeying the Reich was high treason, and the Nazis had complete control of the courts.
No one can argue that there were secure property rights in Nazi Germany. So what ideology is consistent with no property rights?
They didn’t in Germany because, obviously, the Nazis weren’t even remotely Marxist.
If the Nazi government controlled the German economy, then it was a socialist state.
Look at what the Nazis accomplished. They built one of the most formidable war machines on the planet, and they built the autobahn, massive rail expansion, along with a huge amount of other infrastructure projects.
They did all of this in just six years. No one can deny that to accomplish that much in such a short of a time span would require total control over the means of production. So yes, Nazi Germany was a socialist state.
edit: Oh, and Hitler started with an economy that was in shambles.
If the Nazi government controlled the German economy, then it was a socialist state.
Look at what the Nazis accomplished. They built one of the most formidable war machines on the planet, and they built the autobahn, massive rail expansion, along with a huge amount of other infrastructure projects.
They did all of this in just six years. No one can deny that to accomplish that much in such a short of a time span would require total control over the means of production. So yes, Nazi Germany was a socialist state.
edit: Oh, and Hitler started with an economy that was in shambles.
View attachment 67564080
From left: Former Nazi diplomat Franz von Papen, financier Hjalmar Schacht and propaganda chief Hans Fritsche after their acquittal on war crimes charges in Nuremberg, Oct. 4, 1946. (Bettmann/Getty Images)
Throughout the 1920s, most of Germany's wealthy industrialists preferred to support explicitly business-friendly conservative parties, who offered a less overtly destabilizing vision for the nation's future.
At first, most wealthy Nazi supporters were a mixed bag of aimless socialites, heirs and heiresses who wanted to feel special (in this case, racially and culturally special; see Nordic Circle) and those who held antisemitic beliefs or were attracted to Hitler's call for national revanchism and perhaps to Hitler himself.
But as the Weimar Republic's economy collapsed, so did the ruling coalition led by the center-left Social Democratic Party. Popular discontent emboldened both the Nazis and the Communists, and increasingly, industrial and banking leaders came to see Hitler as the weapon they could wield to crush the radical left.
Hitler outlined plans to purge the government of leftists and eliminate trade unions, arguing that the moneyed assemblage's economic interests were best served by assertive militarism and the outright destruction of Germany's parliamentary system. "Private enterprise cannot be maintained in the age of democracy," he declared.
When big business rolled over for fascism — and cashed in
The aspiring dictator promised to crush the left and deliver big profits — so the capitalist class went all-inwww.salon.com
Sound familiar?
Fun Facts: The company I. G. Farben went on to become the Bayer Corporation. Most American corporations supported all of it.
In Tony Judt's classic book, Postwar, about Europe after WWII, he describes how the conservative parties were discredited because they had been allied with the Nazis while liberals and socialists were clean, and thus, they were most likely to run post-war governments.
The "socialist state" that jailed, imprisoned and gassed actual socialists and Communists along with the Jews lmao OK.
Nope, as shown by the fact that the Nazis actively allied with Germany’s nobility and industrialists, first in crushing Germany’s leftists, and then in waging a genocidal war of conquest against the USSR.
The reality is that no socialist state would ever put a bunch of noblemen in control of the army.
The German General Staff was totally onboard with the Nazis until they started losing. Even the anti Nazi officers wanted to keep most of Poland and continue the war in the East.And Hitler despised all those old 'noble' Germans.
He hated the professional military.
But-- purges as the Communists made no sense.
No, they saw Nazism as an alternative to the left. Everyone saw how leftists destroyed the Russian economy, so they took a chance on Hitler's version of socialism.
He nationalized the unions, he didn't eliminated them. You can't have independent unions in a socialist state. Unions in both Nazi Germany and Communist Russia became arms of the state.
The German General Staff was totally onboard with the Nazis until they started losing. Even the anti Nazi officers wanted to keep most of Poland and continue the war in the East.
Not really. The German General Staff was largely willing to go along with the Nazis as long as Germany was winning, and they fervently agreed with Nazi racial ideology, especially in the East, where the Einsatzgruppen were surprised at the level of enthusiastic cooperation they received.The relationship between the nazis and the professional armed services was one of mutual hated.
The plotting of Staufenberg was simply the last of many.
And were they right when they bet on Hitler as the "lesser of two evils"? Were they morally correct when they funded the Nazi party in your opinion?
So does I.G Farben bear no moral responsibility for it's role in the Holocaust?
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