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When a presidential race rages out of control

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It’s the conceit of every generation that horses have never been faster, whisky has never been older, beautiful women have never been younger — and politics have never been rowdier. But maybe our generation has a legitimate claim.
The clown vs. the crook, the vulgarian vs. the witch, both stained worthies that neither party wants. One is a big talker who can’t keep his mouth shut and his tongue at ease, the other driven by greed, lies and avarice, ever on the scout for loose valuables. Has the republic ever had such a choice?

When a presidential race rages out of control - Washington Times
 

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It’s the conceit of every generation that horses have never been faster, whisky has never been older, beautiful women have never been younger — and politics have never been rowdier. But maybe our generation has a legitimate claim.
The clown vs. the crook, the vulgarian vs. the witch, both stained worthies that neither party wants. One is a big talker who can’t keep his mouth shut and his tongue at ease, the other driven by greed, lies and avarice, ever on the scout for loose valuables. Has the republic ever had such a choice?

When a presidential race rages out of control - Washington Times
Why Mickey! Are you looking to jump off the Trump Train before it crashes in November?!?

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Someone hacked Mickey's account. ;?
 

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It’s the conceit of every generation that horses have never been faster, whisky has never been older, beautiful women have never been younger — and politics have never been rowdier. But maybe our generation has a legitimate claim.
The clown vs. the crook, the vulgarian vs. the witch, both stained worthies that neither party wants. One is a big talker who can’t keep his mouth shut and his tongue at ease, the other driven by greed, lies and avarice, ever on the scout for loose valuables. Has the republic ever had such a choice?

When a presidential race rages out of control - Washington Times

Woah, this is very strange coming from you Mickey. It's almost unreal.
 

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And we are to blame. The public has gotten just what it has demanded and pragmatic voting has kept the cream from rising to the top as it should. The moral to the story......be careful what you wish for; it may just come true.
 

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Well, negative campaigns have occurred throughout U.S. history almost from the inception of our nation.

5 Most Vicious Political Campaigns in U.S. History

1. 1800 Presidential Election: Adams vs. Jefferson: This showdown between incumbent President John Adams and Vice President Thomas Jefferson threatened the future of the new and fragile country. Talk of civil war loomed...

2. 1884 Presidential Election: “Ma, Ma, Where’s My Pa?”: Democrat Grover Cleveland seemed to have the advantage in the months before this presidential election, but in July 1884, allegations arose that Cleveland, a bachelor, had years earlier fathered a child out of wedlock...

3. 1828 Presidential Election: Candidate’s Wife Becomes Target: Andrew Jackson’s many political skeletons (a famously hot temper, his involvement in several duels) should have been enough ammunition for incumbent President John Quincy Adams’ camp. Apparently not, as Adams’ supporters hurled accusations at Jackson’s wife, Rachel, and questioned their marriage...
5 Most Vicious Political Campaigns in U.S. History - Listosaur | Hungry for Knowledge

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The presidential contest of 1800 when incumbent John Adams was called a "hermaphrodite, half man, half woman," and challenger Thomas Jefferson was attacked for being a radical whose election would head to widespread bloodshed and beheadings like those in the French Revolution.

In the 1828 campaign, Andrew Jackson's wife Rachel was attacked so viciously as a hussy that she had a heart attack and died before he took office; the new president blamed his political opponents for shattering her health and causing her death.

In 1860, Abraham Lincoln was mocked as a "two-faced" liar who resembled a gorilla.

Franklin Roosevelt in all of his four successful races in 1932, 1936, 1940 and 1944 was derided as a dangerous radical and a traitor to his aristocratic class.

In 1960, John F. Kennedy was condemned as an agent of the pope because he was Roman Catholic.

And the animus and polarization in 1968 was so intense that two prominent national figures, civil-rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr. and presidential candidate Robert Kennedy, were assassinated, and the incumbent president, Lyndon B. Johnson, was mocked at anti-war rallies with the hateful chant, "Hey hey LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?"
Vicious Presidential Campaigns are an American Tradition | US News

This just seems worse because...media coverage is so pervasively accessible and highly incendiary it's hard to avoid partisanship.
 
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It's a thread where you aren't sucking up to Trump for once. It's amazing.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa. I've never sucked up to Trump, just outlined why he's better than Hillary. I try to be an equal opportunity poster. :lol:
 

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As I read the OP I had trouble keeping track of which horrible candidate you were describing. The crook versus the clown. A clown with a merkin on his head and a clown in a very large pants suit? A crook? Would that be the manufactured bankruptcy crook where he made a billion dollars or the Presidential Pardon selling crooks who didn't make that much? The candidate who keeps putting a foot in the mouth. Would that be the one who seems to hate veterans or the defender of women and children who gets a child rapist off and giggles about it? Or greedy? Is it the fool who put his name on a book that argues there is no such thing as too greedy or is it the multimillionaire who says she was flat broke when the left the White House? There's the one who has her own email server for secrecy versus the one who requires non-disclosure agreements with volunteers. There's the cowardly bully who sends his lawyer after anyone who displeases him and the bully who sends James Carville after anyone who tells the truth.

Sorry, Mickey, but I'm only moderately entertained by people who think one of the crooked clowns is better than the other crooked clown. If there is a hell, for the two clowns it will be an eternity in a room together, alone.
 

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I can't wait until our president is nominated by steel cage match, in a vat of jello with oversized squeeky hammers.
 

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Well, negative campaigns have occurred throughout U.S. history almost from the inception of our nation.

5 Most Vicious Political Campaigns in U.S. History - Listosaur | Hungry for Knowledge

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Vicious Presidential Campaigns are an American Tradition | US News

This just seems worse because...media coverage is so pervasively accessible and highly incendiary it's hard to avoid partisanship.

"Negative" is a elative term, however. What was considered "negative" 200 years ago is completely benign by today's standards of what is and isn't acceptable.
 

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"Negative" is a elative term, however. What was considered "negative" 200 years ago is completely benign by today's standards of what is and isn't acceptable.

Sure, but also what was considered normal or perhaps "heated" would horrify us today. The suggestions a Jefferson or a Seward or Lincoln went through kind of out-do our sense of offense, because of the different discussions of morality and esteem people have with various minority populations.

Not strictly relating to campaigning, but you can consider our polarization a bit tame because I have yet to see the Senate chamber replete with near gun fights and assassination attempts by our elected officials and their family members.
 

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Sure, but also what was considered normal or perhaps "heated" would horrify us today. The suggestions a Jefferson or a Seward or Lincoln went through kind of out-do our sense of offense, because of the different discussions of morality and esteem people have with various minority populations.

Not strictly relating to campaigning, but you can consider our polarization a bit tame because I have yet to see the Senate chamber replete with near gun fights and assassination attempts by our elected officials and their family members.

True, however, I think the difference is that today we have this magical forum known as social media. Makes the spreading of the ugliness and ignorance so much more prolific.
 

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True, however, I think the difference is that today we have this magical forum known as social media. Makes the spreading of the ugliness and ignorance so much more prolific.

The vehicle certainly alters perceptions of anxieties. But I'm nevertheless waiting for actual firefights among our social betters before considering us more or equally polarized.
 

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The vehicle certainly alters perceptions of anxieties. But I'm nevertheless waiting for actual firefights among our social betters before considering us more or equally polarized.

I'm wondering if those anticipated firefights will ever happen, or if and when they do, just how much impact it will have. Who will even pay attention I'm wondering. Rationality has appeared to have gone out the proverbial window this election season.
 

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I'm wondering if those anticipated firefights will ever happen, or if and when they do, just how much impact it will have. Who will even pay attention I'm wondering. Rationality has appeared to have gone out the proverbial window this election season.

Truly, given the strict adherence to no-nonsense Roberts Rule of Order in our current legislative and committee bodies, I would be surprised if they can even muster the energies to act like a Thaddeus Stevens or a Charles Sumner, let alone unleash a pistol.

American legislators looking at the House of Commons today are not much different from John Adams attending a French dinner party.
 

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True, however, I think the difference is that today we have this magical forum known as social media. Makes the spreading of the ugliness and ignorance so much more prolific.

Either that or politics is infested with wimps who whine constantly. "Why is everybody always picking on me?"
 

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I can't wait until our president is nominated by steel cage match, in a vat of jello with oversized squeeky hammers.

Thanx for giving me the nightmare image of Trump/Clinton in speedos
 
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