What's with liberals?

[StillBallin75]

I have many conservative friends and they do exactly what you are saying. Therefor all conservatives when losing a debate fall back on rhetoric. This, along with your conclusion that liberals do the same thing will now be combined and what we have is a fact that everyone regardless of affiliation falls back on rhetoric when losing a debate.

That was easy. I like this.

I have many conservative friends that give me 5 dollars a week. This means that you should give me 5 dollars a week.

seriously? I need to get myself more conservative friends.

 

[Paschendale]

In order to prove the OP's point, shouldn't this thread be filled with examples of liberals using these tactics? That would be the compelling data that would help the argument along. Since the notion presented here is "liberals can't argue honestly", and most of what I've seen in it is liberals arguing honestly, I think the OP should try to show these "mainstream liberals" (and maybe try to explain who they are, and why they qualify as mainstream enough to speak for the entire movement) doing what he's accusing them of doing.

One mention of Obama making some really funny jokes about Donald Trump's pandering to conspiracy nuts seems to be the whole argument. Trump was wrong, and used stupid tactics, and Obama called him out on it.

As for these studies about RNA and their inability to create proteins, I would like to see them. Maybe the OP's friend is an idiot, but it doesn't seem like most of the folks around here are. If you want us to evaluate your claims, and vindicate you, you'd best put up or shut up.

 

[Guy Incognito]

Well I for one am happy to have a friend that puts a dent into the "military personnel are all conservative and liberals don't love to serve their country" stereotype, one I hope to break myself someday.

I'd prefer it if he broke the stereotype that "PhDs are all arrogant blowhards."

But as you observe, he is military, so he's got that going for him at least.

 

[Cephus]

Why do liberals get evolution? How many conservatives accept evolution, I hope most?

It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative, it has to do with religious delusion. There's plenty of religious wingnuttery on both sides of the aisle.

 

[ecofarm]

The guy might be a theocratic fascist, in which case we'll go with independent; however, I'd bet 90%+ of (anti-liberal) creationists are conservative or very conservative. It's not like... well, I'm pro gay rights, anti capital punishment, pro legalization or pro choice and... umm... a creationist. It doesn't work like that.



I think we might note that the creationist debate is not about where life came from but where people came from. Some think they come from a stork.

 

[Geo Patric]

I was talking to a friend of mine (Liberal), who also happens to be a evolutionist! We arguing the debate, creation VS evelution. We had no reference material in front of us, so I offered a challenge. Each of us would write a paper referencing scientific material that would support each opinion. I gave him my paper, he read it, and claimed this isn't science, it is philosophy. The paper was referencing direct scientific studies at several universities, claiming that it was impossible for RNA to creat protein, which in evelution would creat a basic life form.

I could have that backwards I don't have my information if front of me!

At any rate, every time you argue with a Liberal, and have a lead on them they just claim you are uneducated and ignorant! I guess if it's not their science, to them it's not science. If you didn't learn from their liberal proffessors its not education!

oh, i would not feel bad. i am sure your friend was very amused.

geo.

 

[shintao]

oh, i would not feel bad. i am sure your friend was very amused.

geo.

They must share the same bowl of cereal for breakfast & never feel lonely..........LOL! yoking.

 

[ecofarm]

I thought surely this thread was SandBox bound. Downstairs with the lot of ya.

This is not general political discussion. This is a very weak presentation of creationism masked in hyperpartisan hackery.

I want justice. I want the paper. And I want Guy's head.



That last incomplete sentence is not to be taken out of context.

 

[Catawba]

do liberals even attend places like liberty university?

Very few, and they try their best to whip them into shape, I live about 1-1/2 hrs from Liberty University.

 

[StillBallin75]

Very few, and they try their best to whip them into shape, I live about 1-1/2 hrs from Liberty University.

Yeah, I have friends that go to Virginia Tech, I'll just advise them to stay there.

 

[Catawba]

When I provide the material we can debate the fallacies then. I agree, when it comes to providing information in creationist favor I failed. Still has nothing to do with the debate on the table.

Obamas moon landing joke, on Donald Trumps behalf, was just another way of calling Ole Trump ignorant. So there is an example coming straight from the Liberal leader!

Trump on the other hand was not joking when, before that, he said Obama wasn't smart enough to get into Harvard. :sun

 

[Singularity]

I was talking to a friend of mine (Liberal), who also happens to be a evolutionist! We arguing the debate, creation VS evelution. We had no reference material in front of us, so I offered a challenge. Each of us would write a paper referencing scientific material that would support each opinion. I gave him my paper, he read it, and claimed this isn't science, it is philosophy. The paper was referencing direct scientific studies at several universities, claiming that it was impossible for RNA to creat protein, which in evelution would creat a basic life form.

I could have that backwards I don't have my information if front of me!

At any rate, every time you argue with a Liberal, and have a lead on them they just claim you are uneducated and ignorant! I guess if it's not their science, to them it's not science. If you didn't learn from their liberal proffessors its not education!

It sounds like both you and your friend need to brush up on basic biology. RNA -specifically messenger RNA - most certainly does create proteins; in fact, that's the main purpose of mRNA. Contrary to what you've said, I guarantee that you've read no scientific studies that say "RNA does not create proteins", because any such observation would be plain wrong. If you have read such nonsense, rest assured that information was not scientific, and whoever wrote such a thing could benefit from a basic biology class as well.

Second, what does the translation from mRNA to proteins have to do with the origin of life? It sounds like you are talking about abiogenesis, which is something entirely different. In any case, the earliest life forms wouldn't have started out with all this grand machinery that we see in life forms today. It would have been much, much simpler, but again, that really isn't Evolution.

And regarding these so-called 'liberal professors' (i'm assuming your mean biology professors), their job is to teach you how the world actually works. Whether or not you absorb the material is up to you.

 

[StillBallin75]

Oh hey, guess what we're still waiting on that paper mxjsims.

Just wanted to bump this thread.

 

[FilmFestGuy]

When I provide the material we can debate the fallacies then. I agree, when it comes to providing information in creationist favor I failed. Still has nothing to do with the debate on the table.

Obamas moon landing joke, on Donald Trumps behalf, was just another way of calling Ole Trump ignorant. So there is an example coming straight from the Liberal leader!

Wait...You think Trump's birther assertions weren't ignorant? That they weren't as lunatic as the moon landing theories or the "truthers"?

Obama didn't call Trump ignorant. He called Trump's birther assertions ignorant. There is a difference. Obviously Trump knows a thing or two about how to work the real estate system (although he's been bailed out more than once for some bad calls); that doesn't make his lunacy with regards to the birth certificate crap anything less than ignorant.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

I was talking to a friend of mine (Liberal), who also happens to be a evolutionist! We arguing the debate, creation VS evelution. We had no reference material in front of us, so I offered a challenge. Each of us would write a paper referencing scientific material that would support each opinion. I gave him my paper, he read it, and claimed this isn't science, it is philosophy. The paper was referencing direct scientific studies at several universities, claiming that it was impossible for RNA to creat protein, which in evelution would creat a basic life form.

I could have that backwards I don't have my information if front of me!

At any rate, every time you argue with a Liberal, and have a lead on them they just claim you are uneducated and ignorant! I guess if it's not their science, to them it's not science. If you didn't learn from their liberal proffessors its not education!

Well, first of all, even assuming that study is correct (which it isn't), it has nothing to with evolution. It has to do with abiogenesis, which is a different field.

Second, even if you could disprove evolution, that doesn't mean creationism is right.

 

[StillBallin75]

Well, first of all, even assuming that study is correct (which it isn't), it has nothing to with evolution. It has to do with abiogenesis, which is a different field.

Second, even if you could disprove evolution, that doesn't mean creationism is right.

haha these exact sentiments have been repeated like ten times throughout this thread, but props for saying what everyone else is thinking.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

haha these exact sentiments have been repeated like ten times throughout this thread, but props for saying what everyone else is thinking.

Doesn't get more honest in debate than that, really. I find it interesting the OP is accusing liberals of being dishonest when his own method of argumentation is dishonest. His own "evidence" had nothing to do with evolution OR creationism.