What to do about the mass shootings in the US

[Mach]

But unless you want to live in a Minority Report world, until someone acts out, there is little that can be done.

If someone is under investigation by the FBI, and yet are not confronted or arrested, etc., is that not an example of something that can occur, before someone acts out?
Surely we can imagine other such examples?

What if they have a 99.9% chance of identifying that you will commit violence against yourself or others in the next 24 hours. So they confine you comfortable for 24 hours, and get you conseling.
Would you oppose such actions?
Whats'; the outcome if they are right...lives are saved.
Whats the outcome if they are wrong...you're inconvenienced for 24 hours.

I'm not saying we should or could do this. It's all hypothetical. Where do you draw the line? You remember Dick Cheney, Republican "President" before Obama right?
He stated that the U.S. has an obligation to act with military violence to any country that they believe has even a 1% chance of potentially harming the United States.

Dick Cheney: If there's a 1% chance that Pakistani scientists are helping al-Qaeda build or develop a nuclear weapon, we have to treat it as a certainty in terms of our response. It's not about our analysis ... It's about our response.

 

[Outlook]

Which is not automatic

Unless you purchase a conversion kit to make it automatic.

 

[joko104]

The UK banned all handguns in the 90’s. People found other ways to kill each other. There were over 43,000 violent crimes involving knives, hundreds of fatal stabbings. Don’t forget the terrorist with mass killings with vehicles or bombs at concerts.
People will find ways to kill. It is impossible to stop all mass killings.

More people have been mass murdered by airplanes, arson and bombs than guns. You'll NEVER heard the MSM, press or Democratic Party mention this. Nor will they talk about the mall advertised it banned everyone from having a self defense firearm to make sure anyone sociopath knows they can shoot people for quite a while - protected by the anti-gun corporation that owns the mall as his critically necessary accomplice.

 

[nota bene]

I have a hard time believing you can imagine no way.
I also have an even harder time believe you don't even want to try, it makes me sad.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/364046-do-mass-shootings-us-9.html#post1070420432

I guess you'll just have to have a hard time then. But you should know that I'm pretty familiar with what you can and can't do when another adult makes threats to harm himself or others. You can't keep folks on psychiatric hold indefinitely.

 

[KevinKohler]

Disconnect.

Turn off the devices for a while. Think about it. Most of these acts are due to extreme anger and hatred. Incels, extreme political followers, religious zealotry.

Being connected is great, but it has a cost. We, and our children, are being bombarded with the most sensational of images daily. Justin Timberlake and others like him, plowing through hotties like a 6 year with a bag of Halloween candy. Increasing extravagance for the wealthy...million dollar cars, yachts, etc etc etc. Corruption, lies, and murder in the beltway. Just...story after story after story, of people with more than you, enjoying a life you'll never know, and the lying liars who broke promises, cheat, and steel, for their piece of the action. We are bombarded by the bright lights, and then our gaze settles on our own feeble by comparison existence, day after day...and the source of anger grows and builds.

Just turn it off. Unplug. Look up. There's a beautiful world full of life and grandeur. Just....look....up. Ditch the screen.

 

[Outlook]

I thought fully automatic weapons were illegal.

No
Fully automatic weapons made before 1986 are legal.
There is no federal law to modify your semi automatic to an automatic.
Every state has different gun laws.

 

[Mach]

I guess you'll just have to have a hard time then. But you should know that I'm pretty familiar with what you can and can't do when another adult makes threats to harm himself or others. You can't keep folks on psychiatric hold indefinitely.

Just be clear. You believe nothing should be done, and no one should look into things that could be done with or without legislation.

Please do not be coy with me Nota, I have typed a lot trying to get you to be clear on your position, and you appear to be evasive for reasons unknown.

 

[joko104]

Unless you purchase a conversion kit to make it automatic.

Less people would have been shot if it was full auto. Even the Marines dropped full auto on the select of their infantry rifles. 3 burst is the most - and almost none use it even in combat. 3 burst means the first shot is on target and the next 2 are in the air. In squad, there will be ONE full auto solely as "suppression fire" as the enemy instinctively duck.

He would NOT have hit as many people if he was firing in a full auto mode. This is particularly true if a rifle with as much recoil as an AK47. IF full auto was more lethal, the Marines, Army infantry etc would have full auto 5.56s - which have less recoil than an AK47. Full auto in a handheld rifle (rather than tripod heavy gun) is NOT superior to semi auto - but the exact opposite.

 

[Winston]

No
Fully automatic weapons made before 1986 are legal.
There is no federal law to modify your semi automatic to an automatic.
Every state has different gun laws.

Well that's pretty dumb, they should be illegal.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Just be clear. You believe nothing should be done, and no one should look into things that could be done with or without legislation.

Please do not be coy with me Nota, I have typed a lot trying to get you to be clear on your position, and you appear to be evasive for reasons unknown.

Hmm... "Looking into things that could be done" is about as evasive as it gets. Not much could be more evasive than to state that as yet unnamed folks could (should?) have "intervened" or at least "looked into doing" something (unspecified).

 

[joko104]

I'm simply pointing out that the folks in El Paso, TX (or here in Uhland, TX) have no viable options to deal with mass shooter (terrorists?) from Allen, TX (or other places) when they choose to travel hundreds of miles to start shooting (random?) people.

Why don't you ask the good folks of El Paso, TX or the website(s?) that published this moron's "manifesto" why they neglected to "intervene" before he shot at folks for 20 minutes? In short order (if not already done) this mass killer's name will be released by the press and we will likely hear from family, friends and neighbors that he was "a bit odd" or "was the quiet type" but "displayed no dangerous behavior".

The Mall banned firearms and advertised it in signs. He stated he wanted an unarmed "soft target" and the anti-gun rights corporation was 100% an accomplice with him in that goal. What happened is EXACTLY what "gun free zone" signs OPENLY PROMOTE.

Once again, IN FACT, it is proven when guns are outlawed only outlaws have guns. It was illegal - a crime - for him to have a gun there. Only law abiding citizens complied - he didn't - the Mall corporation was on his side creating deliberately a defenseless target rich environment for him - and a lot of people died as a result.

 

[Outlook]

If someone is under investigation by the FBI, and yet are not confronted or arrested, etc., is that not an example of something that can occur, before someone acts out?

Ask your question to the ACLU.
What a liberal that wants to violate someone’s rights

 

[Mach]

Hmm... "Looking into things that could be done" is about as evasive as it gets. Not much could be more evasive than to state that as yet unnamed folks could (should?) have "intervened" or at least "looked into doing" something (unspecified).

So you believe nothing should be done. Either that, or the opposite.
Your call ttwtt. it's a simple question. Type it, which one. You choose, don't dither.

Nota has dodged.
Elvira says Gawd then hides.
Beer says - but Japan Saran gas
Outlook says FB investigations are a violation of civil rights.

You're like the lest best hope.

 

[haymarket]

Polite, unarmed society treating armed people like 'modern day lepers'. Oh boy, that should turn out well :lamo

It is how cigarette smokers are treated. And it worked rather well.

 

[haymarket]

As long as we can trade the immigration rate too and the way they treat foreigners

How you make us an isolated island?

 

[Lovebug]

For the last few years it has largely been a domestic radical right wing problem. I know of very incidents with American leftists committing these mass murders.

Solution? We need a society where guns are vilified and hated and very very rare despite being legal. No other way around it. We have to drastically reduce the number of firearms in this country and greatly restrict their use.

Nothing else will be as effective.

Hate...
let that sink in for a minute. Isn't that what is really causing these killings? So why are we hating at each other, hate this and that? I hear the frustration, but hate is not the answer.

What makes these people go out and kill? Dare I say it is lack of accountability, lack of hope, lack of faith, lack of believing in the ultimate judge?

 

[ttwtt78640]

The Mall banned firearms and advertised it in signs. He stated he wanted an unarmed "soft target" and the anti-gun rights corporation was 100% an accomplice with him in that goal. What happened is EXACTLY what "gun free zone" signs OPENLY PROMOTE.

Once again, IN FACT, it is proven when guns are outlawed only outlaws have guns. It was illegal - a crime - for him to have a gun there. Only law abiding citizens complied - he didn't - the Mall corporation was on his side creating deliberately a defenseless target rich environment for him - and a lot of people died as a result.

Laws (and signs about them) are only as effective as their enforcement - "gun free zones" work as well as the security system in place to enforce them. The last thing that a mass shooter is concerned with is the violation of "gun control" laws. This loser may well think that he would be better off being able to join a prison gang (as an infamous mass shooter) than continuing his lonely existence as a "privileged" white nobody on the outside.

 

[joko104]

It is how cigarette smokers are treated. And it worked rather well.

That attitude just got 49 people shot.

 

[ttwtt78640]

For the last few years it has largely been a domestic radical right wing problem. I know of very incidents with American leftists committing these mass murders.

Solution? We need a society where guns are vilified and hated and very very rare despite being legal. No other way around it. We have to drastically reduce the number of firearms in this country and greatly restrict their use.

Nothing else will be as effective.

Hmm... freedom + guns = hate? Mass shootings (and hate crimes) get loads of press yet account for very few of the total crime victim fatalities.

 

[joko104]

Laws (and signs about them) are only as effective as their enforcement - "gun free zones" work as well as the security system in place to enforce them. The last thing that a mass shooter is concerned with is the violation of "gun control" laws. This loser may well think that he would be better off being able to join a prison gang (as an infamous mass shooter) than continuing his lonely existence as a "privileged" white nobody on the outside.

He specifically stated he would NOT target any location that had ANY armed security. He was clear - he ONLY wanted a "soft" target - that he defined as unarmed and undefended.

He will NOT do well in prison. Unless he is kept isolated, he will end up wishing he had killed himself like he promised he would do rather than be taken alive. Waiting year after year after year for his execution.

Remember, this is the TEXAS prison system, not California. He'll get the death penalty and basically be in solitary for 20 years - unless Democrats take over the state and impose their no death penalty stance.

Since he believed he would kill himself in the end - then too much a coward to do so - he probably never considered that never, not another minute of his life, will he be able to go on the Internet. Ever. No Internet. No video games. No way to declare any more manifestos. He'll be in a small white room. A TV he can't pick the channel on. Books and magazines. Nothing else.

 

[joko104]

I am NOT talking about professional law enforcement people who must use guns as part of their job.

But then, I suspect you knew that.

Law enforcement in El Paso have guns. So how were 49 people shot?

 

[ttwtt78640]

So you believe nothing should be done. Either that, or the opposite.
Your call ttwtt. it's a simple question. Type it, which one. You choose, don't dither.

Nota has dodged.
Elvira says Gawd then hides.
Beer says - but Japan Saran gas
Outlook says FB investigations are a violation of civil rights.

You're like the lest best hope.

How to stop a (potential?) criminal before they commit a crime (criminal act) is a very, very tough nut to crack thus yes, I "dither". Asking others to make suggestions as to a course of action is only one teeny, tiny (half?) step removed from doing nothing - yet you refuse to seriously look into the mirror and see that you have suggested no more than that.

 

[Mach]

How to stop a (potential?) criminal before they commit a crime (criminal act) is a very, very tough nut to crack thus yes, I "dither". Asking others to make suggestions as to a course of action is only one teeny, tiny (half?) step removed from doing nothing - yet you refuse to seriously look into the mirror and see that you have suggested no more than that.

And so goes ttwtt.

Edit; Middel Ground, bless he heart, was just in that Walmart. She figures if FBI had greater leeway to investigate domestic terrorism, that might help.

But remember, your choice wasn't to have an answer on what to do...you didnt' evne need to go that far, you had the entirely of "any possible solution or investigation into a soltuion...something", and you ditehred.

Nothing should be done.
Something should be done.

You choose nothing. I don't need to look in a mirror ttwtt, I have one plastered to my forehead and I stare at it all day, every day. I prefer doing something. It's that simple.

 

[joko104]

For the last few years it has largely been a domestic radical right wing problem. I know of very incidents with American leftists committing these mass murders.

Solution? We need a society where guns are vilified and hated and very very rare despite being legal. No other way around it. We have to drastically reduce the number of firearms in this country and greatly restrict their use.

Nothing else will be as effective.

Your anti-gun wish came true today. The number of guns at that Mall were "dramatically reduced" because an anti-2A law allowed the Mall to ban guns - while having NO duty to protect anyone. There was only ONE person with guns there - his. That is your wish - dramatically reducing the number of guns. It happened by a "Gun Free Zone" sign.

We know EXACTLY what the result of what you want is - because it happened again today. Your way you want in your message got another 49 people shot.

He was VERY insistent he would NOT attack any location where anyone was armed. Very specific about that. He would only attack a location that operated under your values and rules. Your side was not only on his side, your anti 2A made it happen, where otherwise it would not have.

 

[Frigidweirdo]

We're all tired of them - we all want them to stop.

So what should we do to stop them? This is a multiple-choice, public poll. Please add any other comments in the thread.

Surely the solution is to lock up American Muslims, ban non-American Muslims from entering the country, unless they're from Saudi Arabia because Saudis wouldn't hurt Americans, would they? Also build a fence and call it a wall, that'll stop the shootings.

Rule number one: It's always someone else's fault.