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What they mean when they say women's rights..

The 1st amendment says that? Where? I see that the "Government" is not allowed to restrict my expression of my religion and my speech about it as well. So, if I'm in a government legislature branch, I can express my moral beliefs as part of my conscience. I can vote for a law in good faith as does the general public in states where they have ballot initiatives like propositions in California. So, my faith is okay to use as a reason to make or take away a law. If the people elect me to be their voice for making laws, I can even restrict sodomy as was done in the past. It is you that hates the fact I get to express my religion and have the freedom to speak my mind about this as well.
WHat you cannot do is have law based on religion or religious tenets. All laws passed must have a secular purpose, per the SCOTUS, or they can be struck down as unconstitutional.
 
That is a total misrepresentation of the term "person" as applied in the DOR. If they wanted to include zygotes, then they should have specified that. And you still haven't a clue about the stages of life, do you? I may have to start a new thread to try to explain it to you.
No need because you simply don't get it. I don't think you can because of some hatred within against babies. The DoI doesn't have the word "person" in it. It says ""We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." We are all created equal with the unalienable rights of life....." Creation of humans begins at conception. Thus, at conception, the zygote has the same rights as the mother. It's a separate distinct personage. It's not the mother's body. It was created by the egg and the sperm of the father. She is not greater than the child. She is equal.
 
Because birth control never fails?
The best birth control is celibacy. If the woman doesn't want a baby, then she shouldn't take the risk. She should refrain sexual intercourse until she's ready and willing to take the risk. She has that choice and I'm 100% with women who take this pro-choice stance. Again, it's called personal responsibility. Something Democrats, liberals, leftists and selfish women and men have no clue about. Where were your parents growing up?
 
It's not science and logic. What the hell are you on about?
Life is created at conception for human beings. That's scientific fact. Thus, it's logical to reason that the created human is a separate and distinct personage. Thus, it has the right to life.
 
The best birth control is celibacy. If the woman doesn't want a baby, then she shouldn't take the risk. She should refrain sexual intercourse until she's ready and willing to take the risk. She has that choice and I'm 100% with women who take this pro-choice stance. Again, it's called personal responsibility. Something Democrats, liberals, leftists and selfish women and men have no clue about. Where were your parents growing up?

Yeah, abstinence isn’t the single most failed birth control method in history.

Should no one drive unless they are willing to be hit by a drunk driver? It’s a risk every time you get into a car.
 
A woman's place is what God tells her is her place...just as it is with a man, just as it is with Jesus...

"But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God." 1 Corinthians 11:3
You know its getting bad when a woman starts mansplaining.

I know how the theory works. If you can live with it, fine, not my problem.

You have already stated the difference here. It is not equality you seek with this psalm but the idea of equal but separate. It does not work.

My other objection to this is that if it was a case where men had the pill that prevents pregnancy such as women do. Then would you as a woman trust the man who said "Don't worry, I took the pill." And if not, then why would you trust a man to say, "Don't worry I am a christian and I will treat you as christ would treat me. ."
 
You know its getting bad when a woman starts mansplaining.

I know how the theory works. If you can live with it, fine, not my problem.

You have already stated the difference here. It is not equality you seek with this psalm but the idea of equal but separate. It does not work.

My other objection to this is that if it was a case where men had the pill that prevents pregnancy such as women do. Then would you as a woman trust the man who said "Don't worry, I took the pill." And if not, then why would you trust a man to say, "Don't worry I am a christian and I will treat you as christ would treat me. ."
It is NOT a psalm...
 
Well if I can't get you to talk, maybe I got you to think.

As you christians say, that's how the light gets in.
Nope, you merely showed me how little you know/understand...
 
The best birth control is celibacy. If the woman doesn't want a baby, then she shouldn't take the risk. She should refrain sexual intercourse until she's ready and willing to take the risk. She has that choice and I'm 100% with women who take this pro-choice stance. Again, it's called personal responsibility. Something Democrats, liberals, leftists and selfish women and men have no clue about. Where were your parents growing up?

This is a view based on repressed sexuality. It simply flies in the face of reality. You are certainly welcome to this opinion, but there is no reason why anyone else should embrace it.
 
Yep, the Zygote is the growth of a body and from creation at conception has the right to life based on the Declaration of Independence and any person who has love in their hearts. To all others of hate, it's the moral and ethical thing to protect that newly created life.

The Declaration of Independence is not legally binding.
 
No need because you simply don't get it. I don't think you can because of some hatred within against babies. The DoI doesn't have the word "person" in it. It says ""We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." We are all created equal with the unalienable rights of life....." Creation of humans begins at conception. Thus, at conception, the zygote has the same rights as the mother. It's a separate distinct personage. It's not the mother's body. It was created by the egg and the sperm of the father. She is not greater than the child. She is equal.

“Hatred within against babies”. What a ridiculous phrase.
And since you apparently still do not understand the stages of a pregnancy, here is some help for you:

And it remains ridiculous to try to claim that a zygote, a ONE-celled organism, is somehow the equivalent of a fully developed baby “person”. The rights of which you speak accrue upon BIRTH and not before.
 
Yeah, abstinence isn’t the single most failed birth control method in history.

Should no one drive unless they are willing to be hit by a drunk driver? It’s a risk every time you get into a car.
That's correct. We assume the responsibility and risk when we drive. "Drive" is an action verb. Sexual "intercourse" is also an action verb as well. There is responsibility and risk associated with this. Again, abstinence is a choice women have and often use when mad at their spouse. :-) It's a 100% safe and effective. Other than that, contraception methods can be used with understanding the risks as well. But, it should again be understood and the woman should take responsibility and accept the risk of pregnancy as well. The conceived human is not the cause nor the devil. Yet, abortionists seem to think it is.
 
This is a view based on repressed sexuality. It simply flies in the face of reality. You are certainly welcome to this opinion, but there is no reason why anyone else should embrace it.
Either we are highly intelligent humans with consciences and understanding with self control or we are nothing more than animals that kill their young. Which are you? I know I have a conscience.
 
That's correct. We assume the responsibility and risk when we drive. "Drive" is an action verb. Sexual "intercourse" is also an action verb as well. There is responsibility and risk associated with this. Again, abstinence is a choice women have and often use when mad at their spouse. :) It's a 100% safe and effective. Other than that, contraception methods can be used with understanding the risks as well. But, it should again be understood and the woman should take responsibility and accept the risk of pregnancy as well. The conceived human is not the cause nor the devil. Yet, abortionists seem to think it is.

So if you are hit by a drunk driver, you can’t then prosecute or sue them correct? Since you consented to being hit by choosing to get into the car?

Abstinence is not effective. Places that have abstinence only sex ed have far higher rates of pregnancy than places that focus on safe sex.
 
The Declaration of Independence is not legally binding.
So what? Neither was Roe v Wade. All rulings by the SC are not binding forever. If they were, Blacks would still be slaves and women would not be able to vote. What my question is again to you, do you believe all people are created equal? Apparently not according to you because you lack understanding what created means and when it happens to make people equal. But, we do know this is true about Democrats, leftists, liberals that they don't believe we are all created equal. They hate Republicans and conservatives to the point of arresting them for their thoughts, speech, religion and beliefs as this new House Bill shows. I simply say the at conception, you have two equal personages, the mom and the forming human being. And, that they both have an equal right to life.
 
So if you are hit by a drunk driver, you can’t then prosecute or sue them correct? Since you consented to being hit by choosing to get into the car?

Abstinence is not effective. Places that have abstinence only sex ed have far higher rates of pregnancy than places that focus on safe sex.
Where is your references and evidence? It won't change a thing anyways. The conceived human being still has equal rights with the mom of life.
 
Where is your references and evidence? It won't change a thing anyways. The conceived human being still has equal rights with the mom of life.

Indeed and no human has a right to use the body of another person against that person’s will.
 
So what? Neither was Roe v Wade. All rulings by the SC are not binding forever. If they were, Blacks would still be slaves and women would not be able to vote. What my question is again to you, do you believe all people are created equal? Apparently not according to you because you lack understanding what created means and when it happens to make people equal. But, we do know this is true about Democrats, leftists, liberals that they don't believe we are all created equal. They hate Republicans and conservatives to the point of arresting them for their thoughts, speech, religion and beliefs as this new House Bill shows. I simply say the at conception, you have two equal personages, the mom and the forming human being. And, that they both have an equal right to life.

So you brought it up as if it has authority over American citizens. it does not.

Blacks were slaves and women couldn't vote because white men were prejudiced against them. They didn't believe the words they wrote. They were hypocrites. They formed the United States of Hypocrisy. Today's Republican's proudly assume that mantle. They are not the ones to look to for moral guidance.
 
That's correct. We assume the responsibility and risk when we drive. "Drive" is an action verb. Sexual "intercourse" is also an action verb as well. There is responsibility and risk associated with this. Again, abstinence is a choice women have and often use when mad at their spouse. :) It's a 100% safe and effective. Other than that, contraception methods can be used with understanding the risks as well. But, it should again be understood and the woman should take responsibility and accept the risk of pregnancy as well. The conceived human is not the cause nor the devil. Yet, abortionists seem to think it is.

The “conceived human” is a zygote about the size of the period at the end of this sentence, and simply being “conceived” does not imply a “right” to be carried to term. That is nowhere in the Constitution.
 
So what? Neither was Roe v Wade. All rulings by the SC are not binding forever. If they were, Blacks would still be slaves and women would not be able to vote. What my question is again to you, do you believe all people are created equal? Apparently not according to you because you lack understanding what created means and when it happens to make people equal. But, we do know this is true about Democrats, leftists, liberals that they don't believe we are all created equal. They hate Republicans and conservatives to the point of arresting them for their thoughts, speech, religion and beliefs as this new House Bill shows. I simply say the at conception, you have two equal personages, the mom and the forming human being. And, that they both have an equal right to life.

You are misunderstanding the phrase. “Created equal” refers to the citizenry if the nation, not to a zygote. It means that CITIZENS have equality and that it no way implies that a single-called zygote suddenly becomes a “citizen” immediately upon conception.
 
Either we are highly intelligent humans with consciences and understanding with self control or we are nothing more than animals that kill their young. Which are you? I know I have a conscience.

Are you saying that “YOUR” conscience is the ultimate guide for everyone? What about the woman who, in good conscience, realizes that she could not provide a good and adequate life for a child if she were to carry to term. Who are you that you can determine the decisions made within her “good conscience”? And why exactly should the STATE get to make that decision for her?
 
Anyone who condemns a newly created human life form through abortion on demand has no soul.
But the newly created life can be freely aborted before the various cut-off dates by the states.
 
Gosh I wonder why people are leaving Christianity in droves...

That's been prophesied in the Bible!
It's called, apostasy.

That's a sign of nearing end times, you know.

Are you giving that as another addition to the thread................................... "END TIMES PROPHECIES: Are They Lining Up To Be Fulfilled?"




The Bible indicates that there will be a great apostasy during the end times. The “great apostasy” is mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:3.
The KJV calls it the “falling away,” while the NIV and ESV call it “the rebellion.” And that’s what an apostasy is: a rebellion, an abandonment of the truth.

 
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