What the Derek Chauvin trial is focused on

[Ginza]

we got a long history of that kinda thing.

You have a long history of judges giving in to those who threaten violence if their wishes concerning the verdict are not met.

The OJ case is a great example.

 

[Ginza]

This might not mean what everyone think. You can try it for yourself. While it seems like that would add more weight to the neck, that would depend on other things. Kneel down so that only your knees and toes are touching the ground. Then left up just your left foot. See where your weight goes. If he lifted up his other foot I think that would be way worse.

I'm doubt that many of those who want Chauvin found guilty of murder are really interested in the facts of the case.

 

[CrakHoBarbie]

I'm doubt that many of those who want Chauvin found guilty of murder are really interested in the facts of the case.

So you believe there's a conspiracy against Chauvin? All these expert witnesses getting up and perjuring themselves... One after the other.... All of them......part of the conspiracy, right?...... Wow!!!

 

[Lursa]

I'm not really that interested in what you "wrote".

I am far more interested in opinions that are more intelligent and less biased.

The whole fuss over Chauvin is not because he made a huge error, but because he is white.

LOL that's fine. I've been posting facts and testimony...feel free to disregard it!

I'm sure you are interested in opinions that conform to your personal bias...and now I can see that you are not much of a judge of intelligence...not realizing that I was writing of the actual information confirmed in court. LOL

Your 'opinion' of the gross negligence and depraved indifference to life of Chauvin as a mistake? If so, the veteran trained officer has no excuses for such 'errors,' and as such should still be held accountable for kneeling on a man who was unresponsive for 3+ minutes...and who ignored a fellow officer who told him GF had no pulse. Twice.

If you can justify that....God help you.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

You have a long history of judges giving in to those who threaten violence if their wishes concerning the verdict are not met.

The OJ case is a great example.

You said we have a history of convicting folks who are white because they’re white.

And you just stated OJ Simpson proves your point.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Not what I said.

Exactly what you said. I don’t have to pretend you misquoted yourself.

 

[bongsaway]

I clearly claimed that his intention was "restraining a man who was resisting arrest."

This is what you said, you left a part of it out, conveniently.

But his intention was not to murder but to restrain a violent convicted criminal, high on drugs, who was resisting arrest. Now do you remember what you clearly posted?

 

[Ginza]

But his intention was not to murder but to restrain a violent convicted criminal, high on drugs, who was resisting arrest. Now do you remember what you clearly posted?

Yes. And I made it quite clear that his intention, and obviously that of the other cops on the scene, was clearly to subdue a criminal resisting arrest.

That is why they were called to the scene.

Have you a problem understanding simple English?

 

[Ginza]

So you believe there's a conspiracy against Chauvin?

There's no conspiracy.

There's just the obvious fact that when there is a highly publicised case in the US, blacks (eg OJ) are far more likely to get off lightly than whites (eg Chauvin).

Americans are scared that their cities will, yet again, be looted and pillaged if the result of a court case does not go the way that the majority of those in the black communities want it to go.

Justice is therefore thrown out of the window.

 

[Ginza]

Your 'opinion' of the gross negligence and depraved indifference to life of Chauvin as a mistake?

Of course it was a mistake.

There is absolutely no evidence that he intended to murder Floyd.

He has apparently arrested hundreds of people, both black and white, without a problem.

This time he stuffed up.

Just like the cop who killed Justine Diamond.

But, of course, there was no huge outcry over her death.

Maybe you can explain why?

She wasn't a convicted criminal and wasn't resisting arrest but was shot dead.

Cops make mistakes.

Yes. They need to be punished, but the whole fuss over Floyd is not because the cop stuffed up but because he was black and the cop was white.

Only a complete idiot would deny that fact.

 

[Ginza]

I've been posting facts and testimony..

Lol! Thanks for the smile.

You've been posting your own subjective bigotry, such as :

"he's praying for some loser to believe his cruel depravity was 'acceptable."

Of course I ignore with contempt such utter nonsense which stems only from your fertile and one-eyed imagination.

 

[Lursa]

Of course it was a mistake.

There is absolutely no evidence that he intended to murder Floyd.

He has apparently arrested hundreds of people, both black and white, without a problem.

This time he stuffed up.

He did, and we have proof that he knew better, we know he was trained in the procedure, and failed to carry it out properly. We saw his signature on the training documents in court. So he was grossly negligent if not intent on doing harm...and should be held accountable.

He also failed to end the restraint when told GF was unresponsive. That's depraved indifference and violation of policy. Then he failed to get off of him when told twice by a fellow officer that he had no pulse. The police policy is to render medical aid (submitted in court)...he didnt get off or allow anyone to help GF. More depraved indifference to life. How can that be a 'mistake?'

The EMTs had to ask him 3 times to get off of GF when they arrived. Testimony in court and video. The pics of them standing there with the gurney, Chauvin still on top of GF are very powerful images. More depraved indifference to life.

Hard to imagine all those things were just 'mistakes,' but maybe.

Just like the cop who killed Justine Diamond.

But, of course, there was no huge outcry over her death.

Maybe you can explain why?

There was a very big outcry, it was an outrage, but that police force acted immediately to charge Noor.

She wasn't a convicted criminal and wasn't resisting arrest but was shot dead.

Cops make mistakes.

Yup, and he was held accountable.

Yes. They need to be punished, but the whole fuss over Floyd is not because the cop stuffed up but because he was black and the cop was white.

He murdered the man on camera, with people begging him to stop. I have no idea if it was race-related...it was a horrific murder in front of everyone.

Only a complete idiot would deny that fact.

Well, then there are plenty of complete idiots here and in the media and America general, altho thankfully most do seem to want to see Chauvin convicted of murder.

 

[Lursa]

Lol! Thanks for the smile.

You've been posting your own subjective bigotry, such as :

"he's praying for some loser to believe his cruel depravity was 'acceptable."

Of course I ignore with contempt such utter nonsense which stems only from your fertile and one-eyed imagination.

Yes, that was opinion, based on the facts and testimony and video. So? What I see as fertile and one-eyed imagination is that Chauvin's actions were a mere mistake. If you want to believe mistake after mistake after mistake...well then I have some oceanfront property for sale in Kansas to show you.

I assure you, Chauvin is indeed praying for a miracle from that journey...of course it is only my opinion any such idiot would be 'loser.'

 

[SkyFox76]

Of course it was a mistake.

There is absolutely no evidence that he intended to murder Floyd.

He has apparently arrested hundreds of people, both black and white, without a problem.

This time he stuffed up.

Just like the cop who killed Justine Diamond.

But, of course, there was no huge outcry over her death.

Maybe you can explain why?

She wasn't a convicted criminal and wasn't resisting arrest but was shot dead.

Cops make mistakes.

Yes. They need to be punished, but the whole fuss over Floyd is not because the cop stuffed up but because he was black and the cop was white.

Only a complete idiot would deny that fact.

Just so you're aware Chauvin had at least 17 complaints filed against him.

Also, I remember the Damond (not Diamond) case and I found it outrageous. I more than agree with the fact Noor is serving a 12.5 year sentence for 3rd degree murder. Personally I think it should have been longer.

I also think that each of the officers who were found to have shut off their body cams that night after her killing should have been removed, but from my recollection it did at least change dept policy that cameras be activated in all stops.

 

[bongsaway]

Yes. And I made it quite clear that his intention, and obviously that of the other cops on the scene, was clearly to subdue a criminal resisting arrest.

That is why they were called to the scene.

Have you a problem understanding simple English?

Did you write his intention was not to murder and then leave the murder part out and write his intention was to subdue a criminal resisting arrest? I have no problem understanding english. You seem to have a problem admitting what you wrote.

 

[CrakHoBarbie]

There's no conspiracy.

There's just the obvious fact that when there is a highly publicised case in the US, blacks (eg OJ) are far more likely to get off lightly than whites (eg Chauvin).

Americans are scared that their cities will, yet again, be looted and pillaged if the result of a court case does not go the way that the majority of those in the black communities want it to go.

Justice is therefore thrown out of the window.

What you are describing is called a "conspiracy". All these folks conspiring together towards an agreed upon outcome. You are a conspiracy theorist.

 

[Ginza]

All these folks conspiring together towards an agreed upon outcome.

Lol! You really need to read up on what a conspiracy is.

People being scared of others looting, rioting and pillaging and therefore supporting an unjust outcome in a court of law is certainly not a conspiracy, by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Ginza]

I have no problem understanding english.

OK. Then you obviously have a problem admitting that what I wrote is not what you claimed it was.

Get a life and move on.

 

[Ginza]

Just so you're aware Chauvin had at least 17 complaints filed against him.

Only?

I would have thought that those who want to portray his unjust use of force as a racially motivated murder would have found even more trumped up charges.

 

[Ginza]

I remember the Damond (not Diamond) case

Then maybe you can explain why her case (black cop kills white woman) received infinitely less publicity than the Floyd case (white cop kills black man).

Especially as Floyd was a convicted criminal resisting arrest whilst Justine had actually called the police for help?

My guess is that the sentence against Chauvin will be heavier than the 12,5 year sentence (eligible for parole after about six years) given to the black cop.

 

[Ginza]

What I see as fertile and one-eyed imagination is that Chauvin's actions were a mere mistake.

Why? You have absolutely no evidence to the contrary.

There is no evidence at all that he intended to murder Floyd. Prior intent is impossible as he did not know he would arrest Floyd that day.

There is absolutely no evidence of any motive.

He knew he was being filmed so was certainly not expecting the man who he was restraining would die.

The whole case has been blown up out of all proportion by the black rights movement.

If Floyd was white, nobody would even know his name.

 

[Ginza]

So he was grossly negligent if not intent on doing harm...and should be held accountable.

I agree. As I've said he "stuffed up".

He should pay for his mistake.

But he won't get justice in America because Americans are terrified that their cities will yet again be subject to rioting, looting and pillaging if he doesn't get "crucified" by your Courts.

 

[SkyFox76]

Then maybe you can explain why her case (black cop kills white woman) received infinitely less publicity than the Floyd case (white cop kills black man).

Especially as Floyd was a convicted criminal resisting arrest whilst Justine had actually called the police for help?

My guess is that the sentence against Chauvin will be heavier than the 12,5 year sentence (eligible for parole after about six years) given to the black cop.

What I know (and someone else pointed it out) that case was talked about plenty at the time it happened. That is wasn't up to your expectations doesn't change that fact.

 

[SkyFox76]

Only?

I would have thought that those who want to portray his unjust use of force as a racially motivated murder would have found even more trumped up charges.

As you might have guessed by now, a lot of people actually do research online to get facts. It would be a waste of time to invent complaints that have no source. Not that it hasn't been tried in here by a few, but in the long run it doesn't pay off.

 

[CrakHoBarbie]

Lol! You really need to read up on what a conspiracy is.

People being scared of others looting, rioting and pillaging and therefore supporting an unjust outcome in a court of law is certainly not a conspiracy, by any stretch of the imagination.

You have a theory. You theorize that since many folks fear looting and rioting if he's not convicted, that folks are conspiring, together, to convict that poor, innocent, former police man. That's called a "conspiracy theory". And that makes you, a "conspiracy theorist". Which part is confusing you?