What the Derek Chauvin trial is focused on

[Aunt Antifa]

He made a mistake.

The guy has arrested hundreds of black and white suspects.

To claim that he is racist is itself a racist claim, as there is absolutely no proof at all that the cop acted in a racist manner.

He just stuffed up...as did the black cop (Mohamed Noor) who shot and killed Justine Diamond from my country.

Of course, the huge fuss over Floyd when compared to Diamond is because Floyd is black and Diamond was white.

9 minutes of sitting on a pleading man’s neck is not a mistake. It’s murder.

 

[dixon01767]

I've heard differing numbers on how long Chauvin knelt on Floyd's neck. From 7:46 up to 9:49 minutes. At two minutes of restricted airway, you lose consciousness. At five you die.

Would seem to indicate his airway wasnt restricted. Like the MMA guy who testified it was a "blood choke" move that causes one to pass out in 2 minutes. Evidently that wasnt what was applied to Floyd.

 

[CrakHoBarbie]

Would seem to indicate his airway wasnt restricted. Like the MMA guy who testified it was a "blood choke" move that causes one to pass out in 2 minutes. Evidently that wasnt what was applied to Floyd.

Well, there are plenty of folks that disagree with that thought. Chauvin hasn't been getting any love, even from his own, who are adamantly demanding his knee on the neck approach was uncalled for. At this point, it's not looking good for Chauvin.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

This trial has implications for our society beyond a verdict. A guilty verdict won’t immediately change the racist nature of our country and a not guilty verdict won’t exonerate Chauvin.

Derek Chauvin will not be exonerated because there are three charges against him. It only takes one to get a guilty verdict.

Systemic racism can be cured very easily. All peoplre44 have to do is wake up and decide not to hate or fear non-white people anymore. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. The cause of racism is people choosing fear and hate over trust and love.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

Poor oppressed white people.

More white grievance and white victim-hood, in other words, more racism and racist posts.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

9 minutes of sitting on a pleading man’s neck is not a mistake. It’s murder.

And you can bet if George Floyd's skin was white, he's still be alive and well today, the worst would be he would be in jail. I would love to see Chauvin testify, but that won't happen unfortunately. I'll settle for a guilty verdict.

 

[Ginza]

9 minutes of sitting on a pleading man’s neck is not a mistake. It’s murder.

That all depends whether his intention was to kill, or not.

In this case, it obviously wasn't, so it cannot be murder.

It was just a horrible stuff up by the cop.

 

[Ginza]

Poor oppressed white people.

It's more a question of political correctness gone crazy.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

That all depends whether his intention was to kill, or not.

In this case, it obviously wasn't, so it cannot be murder.

It was just a horrible stuff up by the cop.

Yeah, I understand how a court of law works. That’s fine. He committed murder. Sitting on a man’s neck is intentional, it’s not an oopsie.

 

[Ginza]

I understand how a court of law works.

Er, you obviously haven't a clue.

There has to be intent to kill to be found guilty of murder.

Sitting on someone to restrain them, even on their neck, is not proof of their intent.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Er, you obviously haven't a clue.

There has to be intent to kill to be found guilty of murder.

Sitting on someone to restrain them, even on their neck, is not proof of their intent.

So it is your belief that OJ Simpson did not kill his wife and Ron Goldman. I understand. I don’t agree, but that’s fine. IT’s the same with Chauvin: like everyone else, i saw him sit on a man’s neck for 9 minutes until he was dead for no reason whatsoever.

He murdered him. And if Chauvin walks, it certainly wouldn’t be the first time a guilty white person went free for killing a Black person.

 

[Lursa]

Er, you obviously haven't a clue.

There has to be intent to kill to be found guilty of murder.

Sitting on someone to restrain them, even on their neck, is not proof of their intent.

You are poorly informed and the charges and their criteria have been published. For Chauvin, the jury can go with Murder 2, Murder 3, or Manslaughter.

Murder 2 has 2 subdivisions: Intentional and Unintentional. Up to 40 yrs.

Murder 3 is based more on depraved indifference to life. Up to 25 yrs.

He's definitely met the criteria for Murder 3 IMO. Since it's been testified by experts that Chauvin violated police procedure in more than one way...and paperwork was submitted proving Chauvin had been properly trained (his signature) on that restraint maneuver...he could even get M2 for intent.

 

[calamity]

The defense will do everything it can to make this trial about anything other than the 10 minutes Chauvin knelt on that poor man's neck. It's their job. The only question is if the jury buys the BS. And, race will definitely come into play there.

 

[dixon01767]

Well, there are plenty of folks that disagree with that thought. Chauvin hasn't been getting any love, even from his own, who are adamantly demanding his knee on the neck approach was uncalled for. At this point, it's not looking good for Chauvin.

Im not claiming it was called for.

 

[bomberfox]

Derek Chauvin will not be exonerated because there are three charges against him. It only takes one to get a guilty verdict.

Systemic racism can be cured very easily. All peoplre44 have to do is wake up and decide not to hate or fear non-white people anymore. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. The cause of racism is people choosing fear and hate over trust and love.

Its also more about dominance.

 

[Ginza]

He's definitely met the criteria for Murder 3 IMO.

I don't think he does. He is, at best, facing manslaughter charges.

There was no intent to murder. He mistakenly used excessive force knowing he was dealing with a criminal who was high on drugs.

 

[Ginza]

So it is your belief that OJ Simpson did not kill his wife and Ron Goldman.

Lol! What a silly conclusion to arrive at. I have neither said or implied anything remotely similiar.

i saw him sit on a man’s neck for 9 minutes until he was dead for no reason whatsoever

Yes, I saw the same. But his intention was not to murder but to restrain a violent convicted criminal, high on drugs, who was resisting arrest.

That's not murder, it's manslaughter at worst for Chauvin. It is an accidental death.....but in the USA he will probably be found guilty because he is white.

 

[dixon01767]

So it is your belief that OJ Simpson did not kill his wife and Ron Goldman. I understand. I don’t agree, but that’s fine. IT’s the same with Chauvin: like everyone else, i saw him sit on a man’s neck for 9 minutes until he was dead for no reason whatsoever.

Even the prosecutions witness agreed that he was on his shoulder and back.

 

[bongsaway]

I'm very much hoping that we'll hear Chauvin tell us himself. Why, when told twice that GF had no pulse by one of his fellow cops...he still did not get off of him and provide medical care, like CPR.

And then why, when the EMTs arrived, they had to ask him 3 times to get off of GF...the pics shown in court where they're standing right next to GF with the gurney and Chauvin is still kneeling on him are very powerful...before he'd let them treat him (and they said they were treating a dead man..as they said in testimony.)

No way chauvin will testify.

 

[bongsaway]

This case is about what occured on the day Floyd died. Whatever Chauvin's performance as a cop may have been, his department kept him employed, so clearly he was still in their eyes suitable for the job. But do we want to bring in GFs criminal history into the trial to demonstrate what kind of loser thug the Cup Store manager called the police out to help him with?



Not mercy, but the jury is the trier of fact. Putting a defendant on the stand is always a risk that he may not come off sympathetic enough. And forcing him to describe the concerns he had over a violent resisting man now dead, doesn't sound good.



Yeah, and that never works out well for defendant's in murder trials.
What is the matter, do you believe you are owed an explanation by Chauvin? Well, you aren't.



You really have a lot of disdain for our system. If Chauvin is acquitted, then that too will be justice served.

How the right can even begin to blame others for having disdain for our system is beyond belief.

 

[ASHES]

No way chauvin will testify.

Maybe he will. We have no other way to know what he might have been thinking, aside from the video, and you know how that looks. I can't think of anything he could say that would be worse than what's in evidence, unless he just came out and said "I didn't care if he lived or died I was just enjoying grinding my knee in his neck as he called out for his Mom and died."

I don't think he would say that, so it may be worth having him testify about how what he was doing was by the book etc etc. I know @SkyFox76 is going to come along and ask why it was necessary to hold the knee on the neck for 2:44 after he was verified by an officer to have no pulse, and I'm sure the prosecution would ask the same thing. Maybe it's just my lack of imagination.

 

[ASHES]

Even the prosecutions witness agreed that he was on his shoulder and back.

At the end, when EMTs were there. For 5 minutes and change it was 60-90lbs on his neck and back each.

 

[What if...?]

He made a mistake.

The guy has arrested hundreds of black and white suspects.

To claim that he is racist is itself a racist claim, as there is absolutely no proof at all that the cop acted in a racist manner.

He just stuffed up...as did the black cop (Mohamed Noor) who shot and killed Justine Diamond from my country.

Of course, the huge fuss over Floyd when compared to Diamond is because Floyd is black and Diamond was white.

"Stuffing up" is generally momentary, not willful. Doesn't include looking straight at the "crowd" and grinding down harder.

 

[bongsaway]

Lol! What a silly conclusion to arrive at. I have neither said or implied anything remotely similiar.




Yes, I saw the same. But his intention was not to murder but to restrain a violent convicted criminal, high on drugs, who was resisting arrest.

That's not murder, it's manslaughter at worst for Chauvin. It is an accidental death.....but in the USA he will probably be found guilty because he is white.

A violent convicted criminal high on drugs who was resisting arrest. How do you know what chauvin's intentions were? You seem to have his mindset. A big black guy is what they first encountered and so their fear of black men immediately took over. Why did the cops need to draw a gun oh him while sitting in his car with the driver door wide open? Even if he is/was a convicted criminal high on drugs did that give the cops the right to kill him?

Floyd seemed very much alive to me before the police arrived and very dead after. We don't know chauvin's intentions which is why there is not a murder one charge.

 

[Ginza]

Doesn't include looking straight at the "crowd" and grinding down harder.

Er, except that you have no proof at all that he pushed harder just because the crowd was looking at him.

That's as ridiculous as the claim that Chauvin acted in a racist manner.

It's pure speculation.