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What separates Americans from Europeans.

These two aren't exactly overwhelmingly positive factors. On a side note, does anyone see the hilarity in the fact that America boasts the highest proportional number of individuals that think an omnipotent figure exists and plays an active role in ones life, yet they are the least likely to accept the fact that forces outside of their control can determine one's success in life?
 
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America and Europeans are separated by different sets of ideals and values. Europeans are post-modern liberals and Americans have traditionally been classical liberals.
 
Too much exposure to the sun while wearing a speedo swimsuit obviously has adverse effects on the brain.
 
So... Americans are more self-centered, believe we're better than other countries, are more war-mongers, and think that magical sky people are important.

Grim, find proof of any kind that those things you've said are more American are good things.
 
So... Americans are more self-centered, believe we're better than other countries, are more war-mongers, and think that magical sky people are important.

Americans are more likely to value their autonomy and independence, not make excuses for lack of successes, and recognize that providing broad spectra of handouts in response to cries for help creates an incentive to act helpless.

You spin it one way, I'll spin it the other.

Grim, find proof of any kind that those things you've said are more American are good things.

You must not understand what "proof" means if you expect people to provide it of entirely subjective things.
 
What I get from those numbers is that we need to change our values.

I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually- James Baldwin
 
Nice to see the Marshall Plan was such a good commitment...

...not.
 
So in a nutshell, you're saying that Europeans are more morally and intellectually sophisticated than Americans?
 
So in a nutshell, you're saying that Europeans are more morally and intellectually sophisticated than Americans?

Not really. Just that they're fatalist spoiled brats.
 
Americans are more likely to value their autonomy and independence, not make excuses for lack of successes, and recognize that providing broad spectra of handouts in response to cries for help creates an incentive to act helpless.

You spin it one way, I'll spin it the other.

You must not understand what "proof" means if you expect people to provide it of entirely subjective things.


Except that none of those are actually true. The first point is viable, perhaps. But the second ignores whether or not we actually DO have that kind of control. It really looks as if we don't. And the third... well that's just not true. It's not subjective at all. Most of this is factual, and many Americans have it wrong.
 
Not really. Just that they're fatalist spoiled brats.

I see where you get "fatalist". They are smarter than the American right about economics. They understand that there are factors beyond an individual's control involved, so to a member of the American right, that would look like "fatalism".

But spoiled brats? Where do you get that from? They prioritized helping others OVER helping themselves, unlike Americans. So it seems like you just have that one flat out backwards, no?
 
So... Americans are more self-centered, believe we're better than other countries, are more war-mongers, and think that magical sky people are important.

Grim, find proof of any kind that those things you've said are more American are good things.
self centered? war mongers?
 
What I get from those numbers is that we need to change our values.

I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually- James Baldwin
Which values do we need to change? the right to criticize the US?
 
Hollywood for one thing. That's not good in my opinion. America has to tart up everything from birthday parties to rodeos because we're used to seeing it on teevee and in the flicks. There is very little resemblance to middle class life depicted in either media. In the US, life imitates art, or kitsch to be more exact.

Many, if not most, Europeans remember what war is like. The vast, vast majority of Americans haven't a ****ing clue.

Europeans have better healthcare overall.

We know have better beer.

Transportation in almost every way is different between the two.

Their leaders are pretty much as whorish as our American political whores.

All in all I see the U.S. and Europe as simply different. Neither better than the other overall.

Canada maybe be a hybrid between the US and Europe and that's probably a good thing.
 
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