What "principle" of MAGA is not fascist in nature?

[RF667799]

So, deliberately discriminating against minorities is "equality"? Ri-i-i-ight.

They have that as a principle? Or are you arguing that not all of them abide perfectly by their expressed principles?

Does the GOP platform represent MAGA? That would surprise a lot of party members.

I've seen it often expressed here that MAGA and the GOP are indistinguishable,

 

[SoccerCoach]

To start, I'm not inculcated in the "philosophy" of MAGA. I base my views on the expressions in public discourse, particularly on DP. I'm fervently anti-MAGA on that basis. I'm also a long-time student of fascism and authoritarian movements. Because of that, I've long considered MAGA as just a fascist movement. Indeed, I'm aware of no evidence to refute that. So, I'm starting a thread to entertain arguments to the contrary.

Be advised, however, that claims must be based upon substance, not unsupported conclusory statements. And they are subject to substantive challenge. I'd like to keep this thread out of the basement, so keep your commentary upstairs-worthy.

Trump cuts taxes regulations and the power of government over the people. Isnt that the opposite of fascism. Democrats expand the power of government ad use the government to attack their opponents. Isnt that what fascism is.

 

[SoccerCoach]

Trump cuts the power if government by cutting taxes spending regulations getting the state out of our lives while democrats put men in womens bathrooms, import criminals rapists and gangs force us to use stoves and bt EV cars in crease regulations control speech and use the law to attack political opponents. Who is the fascist again

 

[Integrityrespec]

To start, I'm not inculcated in the "philosophy" of MAGA. I base my views on the expressions in public discourse, particularly on DP. I'm fervently anti-MAGA on that basis. I'm also a long-time student of fascism and authoritarian movements. Because of that, I've long considered MAGA as just a fascist movement. Indeed, I'm aware of no evidence to refute that. So, I'm starting a thread to entertain arguments to the contrary.

Be advised, however, that claims must be based upon substance, not unsupported conclusory statements. And they are subject to substantive challenge. I'd like to keep this thread out of the basement, so keep your commentary upstairs-worthy.

Your fascists claim is bullshit. In fact your fascist claim is fascist.

 

[SoccerCoach]

Your fascists claim is bullshit. In fact your fascist claim is fascist.

Are you related to El Duche?

 

[NWRatCon]

So, coming back to the thread after it's stewed for awhile. Still only one responsive post from any MAGAnaught. Lots of crap and deflection (and outright lies), but no substance. Color me unsurprised.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Accusing Trump of being Hitler 2 and of being a fascist is just more baseless far left extremist hyperbole.
The far left have call all of the Republican presidents Hitler 2 and a fascist.
It is part of the infantile nature of the Regressive Progressives.

"Paging JD Vance...JD Vance, please pick up a white courtesy phone..."

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

So, coming back to the thread after it's stewed for awhile. Still only one responsive post from any MAGAnaught. Lots of crap and deflection (and outright lies), but no substance. Color me unsurprised.

Because it's a lame question!

Here's the answer your question deserves !

"All of them! "

 

[NolanVoyd]

Because it's a lame question!

Here's the answer your question deserves !

"All of them! "

But that is false.

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

But that is false.

No it's true.

(See how easy that is?)

 

[NolanVoyd]

No it's true.

(See how easy that is?)

Right.

Which is why your "all of them" answer was a total fail.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

Right.

Which is why your "all of them" answer was a total fail.

WOW!
You don't even realize that I am doing what the OP did in his question,
and what YOU DID in your response !

So you just agreed that those empty replies are total failures !

Too bad you can't see it when you and the people on the left do it !

Notice no one ever pointed out a Specific Principle that is Fascist....

 

[NolanVoyd]

WOW!
You don't even realize that I am doing what the OP did in his question,
and what YOU DID in your response !

False.

The op was a question.

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

False.

The op was a question.

That's what I said !

It's an empty question.
It claims fascist principles ,but does not give any examples of said principles !
A "QUICK" deduction would be, that Trump won the Popular vote and more minority votes than any other GOP candidate!

But libs lack honesty and critical thinking skills, it seems to be a requirement to join ....

 

[aociswundumho]

This is dumb. Maga is not a fascist movement. Nationalism and populism is not nearly enough. Like or not Trump is operating within a democratic system, and this system allows political opposition. Pushing the limits of power is not unusual in any democracy or any kind of government for that matter. The way fascist/Nazi/commie states control people is by controlling the economy. Trump isn't doing that. If anything he's doing the opposite. A fascist wants the state as big as possible.

Maga is nationalist and populist, but not fascist.

 

[NWRatCon]

This is dumb. Maga is not a fascist movement. Nationalism and populism is not nearly enough. Like or not Trump is operating within a democratic system, and this system allows political opposition. Pushing the limits of power is not unusual in any democracy or any kind of government for that matter. The way fascist/Nazi/commie states control people is by controlling the economy. Trump isn't doing that. If anything he's doing the opposite. A fascist wants the state as big as possible.

Maga is nationalist and populist, but not fascist.

All false.

 

[Juks]

Regardless your claim to be a "long-time student of fascism and authoritarian movements", I don't think you really understand what fascism is.

Anyway, to answer your thread title question...

Nothing about MAGA is fascist in nature.

Oh, seems like it’s MAGA that doesn’t understand fascism. Why am I not surprised? And I’m open to the idea that MAGA doesn’t realize it’s been hijacked by fascism… But then again, does it even matter? Here are some of the clearest parallels between MAGA and classical fascist movements:

1. Delegitimizing elections
   Refused to accept the 2020 result, pressured officials to “find votes,” and tried to halt certification. Fascist trait: Undermining democracy through election denial.
   Source: Georgia call (WaPo, Jan 2021), ongoing false fraud claims.
2. Endorsing political violence
   Incited the Jan 6 Capitol riot, called rioters “patriots,” promised pardons. Fascist trait: Glorification of violence and use of paramilitary-like groups.
   Source: Speeches, Truth Social posts (2021–2025).
3. Ethno-coded “law and order”
   Described migrants as “animals,” proposed mass deportations with military force. Fascist trait: Demonizing minorities and labeling them threats.
   Source: Campaign speeches 2016–2025.
4. Strongman leadership and loyalty
   Demanded loyalty from officials; attacked those who upheld law over him. Fascist trait: Cult of personality; the leader is the state.
   Source: DOJ interference, Comey firing, loyalty oaths.
5. Targeting political opponents
   Promises to jail opponents (“lock her up,” “I will be your retribution”). Fascist trait: Using the justice system to eliminate dissent.
   Source: Rallies, interviews, Truth Social.
6. Attacking the free press
   Called media “the enemy of the people,” threatened licenses, seeks control. Fascist trait: Media control and propaganda as tools of domination.
   Source: Statements about CNN, NYT, NBC.
7. “National rebirth” narrative
   “MAGA” is rooted in the myth of lost greatness, requiring a struggle to restore. Fascist trait: Glorification of rebirth through hardship.
   Source: All Trump campaign messaging since 2015.
8. Contempt for weakness
   Praised dictators, mocked the disabled and vulnerable. Fascist trait: Worship of strength, masculinity, and dominance.
   Source: Debates, interviews, rally clips.
9. Undermining institutions
   Wants direct control over the bureaucracy (e.g., “Schedule F” reform). Fascist trait: Elimination of checks and balances.
   Source: Project 2025 plans.
10. Isolationist nationalism
    Withdraws from NATO, EU, climate agreements; opposes global cooperation. Fascist trait: Rejection of internationalism in favor of aggressive sovereignty.
    Source: Public policy 2016–2025.
11. Use of myths and lies
    Relies on conspiracy theories and “alternative facts” to drive loyalty. Fascist trait: Manipulating truth to polarize and control.
    Source: COVID misinformation, election lies, Deep State theories.

These traits mirror classic fascist features as outlined by thinkers like Umberto Eco (Ur-Fascism), Jason Stanley (How Fascism Works), and Madeleine Albright (Fascism: A Warning). You might want to read them

However, MAGA is not an exact copy. In some ways, it aligns more with Nazism than traditional Italian fascism – especially in its racialized messaging. It’s a hybrid of brown and black – fascist in nature, but with uniquely American traits. Still, there are areas where MAGA clearly differs from both fascism and Nazism. I'll give you a brief summary of what sets it apart in a seperate post, but even these points may evolve into facism in the future.

 

[Juks]

As promised in my post above, Things That Distinguish MAGA from Both Fascism and Nazism:

Category	MAGA	Fascism	Nazism
Racial ideology / antisemitism	MAGA contains racist undertones (mainly toward Latinos, Muslims, Black people), but lacks a structured racial doctrine like in Nazism. No racial hygiene or forced sterilization.	Italian fascism was less racially driven than Nazism (until later alliance with Hitler).	Nazism was built on racial biology, antisemitism, and the idea of a “pure Aryan race.”
Economic model	MAGA is market-oriented but protectionist. Advocates tax cuts and deregulation.	Advocated corporatism (state + capital in “national harmony”).	Combined corporatism with massive state control and war-driven economy.
Role of religion	Strong ties to evangelical Christianity. Religion used as a political tool.	Pragmatic use of religion, often secular. Mussolini was, for example, an atheist.	Included occult ideas, but was practically anti-Christian, promoting “blood and soil.”
Leader cult	Trump has a strong personality cult, but not to the totalizing degree of Hitler or Mussolini.	Mussolini was Il Duce – the personification of the nation.	Hitler was Führer – an almost godlike figure.
Seizure of power	Trump tried to undermine elections, but has not abolished the constitution or created a dictatorship.YET	Fascists often abolished democracy quickly and completely.	Nazis abolished all free elections within a year of taking power.
Mass mobilization	No unified militia or party army (though groups like Proud Boys, Oath Keepers exist).	Paramilitaries like Blackshirts were central to fascist violence.	SA/SS were key to Nazi terror and part of the state apparatus.
Imperialism / expansion	MAGA is isolationist and opposes foreign “nation building.”(But Trump is talking about expending US borders with Canada, Greenland and Panama)	Classical fascism was strongly imperialist – aimed to build empires.	Nazism pursued Lebensraum and total global hegemony.

 

[Gardener]

I would like to go on record here by way of saying that Miley Cyrus is fascist.



Whew, that's a relief. I finally joined the disturbed children's bandwagon of "everybody I don't like is fascist"

 

[NWRatCon]

As promised in my post above, Things That Distinguish MAGA from Both Fascism and Nazism:

Category	MAGA	Fascism	Nazism
Racial ideology / antisemitism	MAGA contains racist undertones (mainly toward Latinos, Muslims, Black people), but lacks a structured racial doctrine like in Nazism. No racial hygiene or forced sterilization.	Italian fascism was less racially driven than Nazism (until later alliance with Hitler).	Nazism was built on racial biology, antisemitism, and the idea of a “pure Aryan race.”
Economic model	MAGA is market-oriented but protectionist. Advocates tax cuts and deregulation.	Advocated corporatism (state + capital in “national harmony”).	Combined corporatism with massive state control and war-driven economy.
Role of religion	Strong ties to evangelical Christianity. Religion used as a political tool.	Pragmatic use of religion, often secular. Mussolini was, for example, an atheist.	Included occult ideas, but was practically anti-Christian, promoting “blood and soil.”
Leader cult	Trump has a strong personality cult, but not to the totalizing degree of Hitler or Mussolini.	Mussolini was Il Duce – the personification of the nation.	Hitler was Führer – an almost godlike figure.
Seizure of power	Trump tried to undermine elections, but has not abolished the constitution or created a dictatorship.YET	Fascists often abolished democracy quickly and completely.	Nazis abolished all free elections within a year of taking power.
Mass mobilization	No unified militia or party army (though groups like Proud Boys, Oath Keepers exist).	Paramilitaries like Blackshirts were central to fascist violence.	SA/SS were key to Nazi terror and part of the state apparatus.
Imperialism / expansion	MAGA is isolationist and opposes foreign “nation building.”(But Trump is talking about expending US borders with Canada, Greenland and Panama)	Classical fascism was strongly imperialist – aimed to build empires.	Nazism pursued Lebensraum and total global hegemony.

That's the best discussion yet.

 

[Along Came Jones]

That's the best discussion yet.

Yes, but it fails. The country has been much closer to accepting dictatorship and fascism in our past.

"A mild species of dictatorship will help us over the
roughest spots in the road ahead." wrote Walter Lippmann, a nationally-syndicated newspaper columnist, in 1933.

“For Dictatorship If Necessary.” New York Herald-Tribune headline on the day of Franklin D. Roosevelt's inauguration.

Fortunately for us, Roosevelt chose to follow a liberal democratic path. That did not stop his political enemies from tagging him a fascist dictator.

Unlike Mussolini's National Fascist Party or Hitler's National Socialist German Workers Party, there is no Make America Great Again Party. It is not a fascist movement. It is an illiberal democratic movement led by an illiberal populist.

 

[Juks]

Yes, but it fails. The country has been much closer to accepting dictatorship and fascism in our past.

"A mild species of dictatorship will help us over the
roughest spots in the road ahead." wrote Walter Lippmann, a nationally-syndicated newspaper columnist, in 1933.

“For Dictatorship If Necessary.” New York Herald-Tribune headline on the day of Franklin D. Roosevelt's inauguration.

Fortunately for us, Roosevelt chose to follow a liberal democratic path. That did not stop his political enemies from tagging him a fascist dictator.

Unlike Mussolini's National Fascist Party or Hitler's National Socialist German Workers Party, there is no Make America Great Again Party. It is not a fascist movement. It is an illiberal democratic movement led by an illiberal populist.

Classical Whataboutism and historical relativization, where one attempts to weaken a current argument by bringing up vague historical parallels that aren't directly relevant to the topic being discussed.


Topic being discussed:

What "principle" of MAGA is not fascist in nature?​

Which is exactly what I'm addressing in my table. Do you have anything to contribute to the actual topic, or would you prefer a separate thread to discuss whether any US president or the press has ever flirted with the idea that dictatorship might be preferable to democracy or that the presidential power should be increased and how serious those flirtations were intended to be?



Or is your post just meant as a distraction and whataboutism?

 

[Along Came Jones]

Classical Whataboutism and historical relativization, where one attempts to weaken a current argument by bringing up vague historical parallels that aren't directly relevant to the topic being discussed.


Topic being discussed:

What "principle" of MAGA is not fascist in nature?​

Which is exactly what I'm addressing in my table. Do you have anything to contribute to the actual topic, or would you prefer a separate thread to discuss whether any US president or the press has ever flirted with the idea that dictatorship might be preferable to democracy or that the presidential power should be increased and how serious those flirtations were intended to be?



Or is your post just meant as a distraction and whataboutism?

My post is meant to be historically correct. Review the history of populism in the United States. It began long before fascism had a name.

 

[BirdinHand]

My post is meant to be historically correct. Review the history of populism in the United States. It began long before fascism had a name.

Populism =\= fascism.