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What practical solutions can "antiwar" proponents offer?

Shrink726 said:
The comparison of Putin and his aggression to Hitler circa 1936 is most certainly NOT an overreach. If you don't see the existential threat to peace and order in the world posed by Putin you sincerely have your head inserted up your ass. This madman MUST be stopped. Exactly like Hitler.
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Hadn't you better log off.....and get packing then? To save the world from Hitler?
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
Hadn't you better log off.....and get packing then? To save the world from Hitler?
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We’re already doing that. Our tax dollars are going towards helping the Ukrainians kick the Russians out.
 
Shrink726 said:
Here, let me simplify the "peace process."

Putin and his goons immediately remove themselves from every inch of Ukrainian territory.
The world community labels Russia as a rogue nation guilty of uncountable war crimes.
Russia pay trillions of dollars to Ukraine for their completely unwarranted aggression.
Putin spend the rest of his miserable life behind bars.
Novalny be installed as the leader of Russia

Any other questions?
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I think Biden should remove his "goons" from Iraq.
They clearly dont want us there.
They dont like gnarlee FrEeDuMbZ$™.
 
ChickenTendies said:
Well first, if they didn't want this conflict in the first place, they should've opened negotiations and listened to Russia's demands, instead of engaging in this brinksmanship, and we all saw how that played out. Biden and Zelensky should've came to the negotiation table at the very least. Some of Russia's demands were probably a no-go, but for many of the demands, a reasonable compromise could've been worked out that alleviated the threat to Putin of NATO encroachment upon Russia's vital security interests and sphere of influence.

Since that didn't happen, Ukraine should've at least kept the option of peace talks open, instead of breaking them off, rebuffing Russian overtures for negotiations, and outright stating that talks weren't an option. If peace talks were to occur at some later stage, it would include Zelensky and Putin meeting face to face and inking out an agreement that would prevent Ukraine's ascension to NATO, the shipment/sales of heavy NATO equipment to Ukraine, POW exchanges, and the return to pre-February borders.
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Okay, so Russia invades Ukraine and Ukraine opens negotiations. Walk us through how that ends in Ukraine protecting their sovereignty.
 
Antiwar said:
The US used the war process to get humanity into this mess, and the US is using the war process to continue this mess.
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Once again proving my statement about how you lie.
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
I think Biden should remove his "goons" from Iraq.
They clearly dont want us there.
They dont like gnarlee FrEeDuMbZ$™.
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Shove the "whataboutism" crap.

Stay focused on the issue at hand.
 
Shrink726 said:
Shove the "whataboutism" crap.

Stay focused on the issue at hand.
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The "issue at hand", for me, is that I dont really give a crap about Ukraine.
Doesnt concern me. Its all going to be OK.
I'm worried about what MY country has been doing. Like Iraq. etc
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
The "issue at hand", for me, is that I dont really give a crap about Ukraine.
Doesnt concern me. Its all going to be OK.
I'm worried about what MY country has been doing. Like Iraq. etc
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First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
I think Biden should remove his "goons" from Iraq.
They clearly dont want us there.
They dont like gnarlee FrEeDuMbZ$™.
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There’s less than 2,500 troops in Iraq and most of them unarmed advisors and trainers dispersed in little penny packets of a dozen or so. If the Iraqis wanted those troops gone, they’d be gone.
 
Deuce said:
There isn't a process. Peace occurs when Russia withdraws. It is 100% their decision.
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"There's no peace process."

You should see a proctologist about that hacking cough.
 
Shrink726 said:
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
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WTF is that?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

Good lord GAWD sanctimonious Americans are REALLY making me ill at this point. :sick:🤮
Its going to be fine, stop emoting. Dont harsh my mellow brah.
 
Questerr said:
There’s less than 2,500 troops in Iraq and most of them unarmed advisors and trainers dispersed in little penny packets of a dozen or so. If the Iraqis wanted those troops gone, they’d be gone.
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Good god you are one REALLY uninformed guy man. Just....I cant even.

apnews.com

US dismisses Iraq request to work on a troop withdrawal plan

BAGHDAD (AP) — Iraq's caretaker prime minister asked Washington to work out a road map for an American troop withdrawal, but the U.S.
apnews.com apnews.com
 
W_Heisenberg said:
@Antiwar

What practical solutions can antiwar proponents offer?

Specifically, with respect to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Generally, with respect to war in general.

Here ya go.
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Waste of time, you are arguing with someone who thinks "peace, love and understanding" solves everything as if those like Putin, or Jinping, or Jong-un, or just about any theocratic Middle East or African nation will all of a sudden agree and be nice people.

The only offering is an extremely narrowminded view of passive retreat as if that saves the first life.
 
Questerr said:
If Iraq wants those unarmed trainers out of their country, they can frog march them onto a plane at any point and there is nothing the US could do about it.
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I see now you've regressed into utter absurdities in your desire to pretend you care about Ukraine and have some high ground over Russia.

Nah, there is nothing the US could do about a direct attack on its troops in Iraq. Good call. I guess being taken seriously not a priority of yours.
You enjoy your day saving Ukraine from evil. *eyeroll*
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
I see now you've regressed into utter absurdities in your desire to pretend you care about Ukraine and have some high ground over Russia.

Nah, there is nothing the US could do about a direct attack on its troops in Iraq. Good call. I guess being taken seriously not a priority of yours.
You enjoy your day saving Ukraine from evil. *eyeroll*
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It wouldn’t be a direct attack. Countries have the power to declare foreigners persona non grata and remove them from he country. That is long recognized power of sovereign nations. If Iraq wanted the US advisors there gone, they could PNG them and have them removed on the next flight out.

But they don’t, because they want US money and support and they know we’d cut off the tap if they did.
 
we've gotten to the (needless) point of nuclear brinksmanship over Ukraine ( the 4 oblasts) with Russia
That's insane.
I dont know if you can walk this dog back anymore -typically warmongering leads to no way out but war.

It's been a long ****ed up road of militarizing/promising NATO to Ukraine. Zelensky has us by the shorthairs
Either we continue to escalate, or phase out. US politicians are still "we must win to stop Russia from expansion"
So the games go on
 
Questerr said:
NATO is a *Defensive* alliance. How are countries in a defensive alliance a threat to Russia unless they were already planning on invading those countries?
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That's a lie, and has been for a while. If you couldn't figure that out after Libya, then you'll never figure it out.
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
I "propose" that the folks in Ukraine will have to deal with the defense of their country. I dont care about Ukraine. Not really. Nobody in the USA does.
The sanctimonious folk in the USA really make me want to vomit, what with all the warmongering the USA does.
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too late for that. just like the yellow ribbons before the Iraq invasion -either you support endless escalation
or you are some kind of Putin asset .such are the "choices
 
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