Yes, I do. I have told you it is a self-evident POSTULATE. Did not I said postulate? Postulates are unavoidable, - whatever you are talking about,- if you want to develop and consider a system of interconnected elements. It is something which does not change and works in any part of the system however far away we are from the beginning. The postulate has to be as short and simple as possible.
As soon as you put my ‘’absolute’’ in beginning, and in all, and in any aspect of human life it works like a charm; as soon as you take away a part of it or substitute it by any other construction (secular humanism is just an example), or lacking postulates by logic and reason which can be proven/defeated by another logic and reason, which can be proven/defeated by another logic and reason – you are calling – as history shows - for a disaster. If you do not follow the word of God, G-d sends disasters. G-d has to demonstrate himself, otherwise we would not have an idea that He exists, would we? You put His word in any life equation, and it works like a charm; and it allows building of new equations without a need for new postulates in the middle of the road, “as we go”. Tell me again that the Bible advocates violence, slavery, murder, but your logic and reason (of uncertain and scattered sources with postulates made up ‘’ as we go’’) do not.
Lachean said:
You take it on faith in a book that advocates violence, slavery, murder and everything else I know no to be good.
Does it advocate? Please repeat it for me…
Lachean said:
But I’m sure you'll write off the old testament as the "old covenant" that Christ replaced so I cant argue here.
If I cannot believe in G-d in OT, how would I believe in Christ in NT?
Lachean said:
There is no counterpoint to a faith based argument.
True, but it is not applicable here. I just explained to you that you were absolutely wrong with a devil as a scapegoat. It was not argument- it was an explanation of something you had no clue about. You were told that I used devil as a scapegoat to blame for my ill will, - as something/somebody outside of myself to blame. I explained to you that teachers of your logic were lying. Devil could not be outside me, at least by the definition. Devil could not be “others” (circumstances, upbringing, reasons). I told you that in your terms, since the devil was inside me I was blaming myself, and by blaming devil I was rejecting any reasonable excuses, scientific explanations of my ill will. No reasons, no logic, no excuses – it is pure evil, pure devil of my actions and my will. If you don’t get a part of explanation ask about the part, but if you keep on repeating like a parrot…
Lachean said:
Secular humanism is not a religion. The only ones who try to call it so, just like atheism, need to believe that everyone follows a religion.
I know, there is such a belief. I expected you to protest. Secular humanism must be a scientific knowledge about all aspect of human nature, must be proven to be a final philosophy opening the door to the bright future of humanity, where there is no Devil (and no G-d) , must be the only true moral principals, must be nothing, just a joke… There is no way to prove to you, isn’t it? Logic and reason…. Atheism is anti-religion, secular humanism is pretty much of atheism. Well, black is not white. Both are colors. Secular atheism is not a religion. Atheism does not have an organization like religion does. If there is an organization it can be mathematically described. The mathematical description of atheism is certainly different from the mathematical description of religion…. but math is still the same… the math does not change whatever it describes, - because it starts from postulates. Your color is not white, it is opposite, you organization is not Church, it is different… but it makes no difference for my math…
Lachean said:
Why do you insist on telling me my beliefs instead of going on what I say?
Devil made me,… got carried away a bit, trying to show you what I read in your statements. You are telling me words and I am guessing your believes, if I am wrong you would have no problem to correct me.
Lachean said:
I dont know myself to be all good. I only try my best to live honestly, peacefully, and happily with those I care about.
These are the slogans. All good slogans. When you APPLY them to life they lead you to demonstrating your s**t and making s**t lists. I guess they are good for making s**t lists. If you don’t know yourself to be all good, how you deal with the part which is all bad? And the part, - which is all bad in all of us, whatever we do, - is called….. how do you call the bad part?
Lachean said:
I am tempted to do bad things every chance I figure that I would not get caught. I stop myself because my pride would never allow me to lie (self denial), steal (devalueing my own self worth) or use force (always wrong.)
It is a description of a saint. I was trying to put my dirty foot in the very depth of your soul… I don’t insist. Stay a saint. I am the worst object for you confessions…
But, you have to provide a reasonable explanation – why such a good boy is tempted to do bad things. You have been raised in generations to be all good, you have been reading good books and having good teachers, - all over suddenly you feel like doing bad, - actually with absolutely no reason, - worse than any animal, because animals cannot lie or steal, they cannot even have a thought about lying and stealing… Humans have not changed since the time when Moses brought them the commandments, haven’t they? Unless you want to come up with Freud’s theories?
Reason and logic call you to steal – “I figure that I would not get caught’’, but you abandon your logic for the sake of “pride’’, - you are making a new postulate as you go, “on fly”’. What pride does make you abandon your pride of your logic?
Lachean said:
I have no problems with Christians and have nothing but the utmost respect for Christ's teachings.
If it was so you would not include religion and faith in your s**t list, you would not express the utter contempt towards faith, - or may be it is your secular way to demonstrate your secular respect?
Lachean said:
My problem is with those who wish to control my actions, and are hypocrites to his teachings.
Do you feel anger? Have you ever been tempted by a blind anger, another sensible part of devil?
How can Christians - with their belief, that you have a choice to believe and be saved, or not to believe and burn eternally, - can control your actions? Are you so scared of burning? Do you feel tempted to hit the hypocrites between their eyes, in the same way as I do? Do you feel tempted to help Christians to cleanse their community from hypocrites? Are you afraid, they will not be burning in hell