What is your moral system based on? (1 Viewer)

[FallingPianos]

What moral principles do you use to guide you, and where do you get them from?

The bible? if so, how do you determain which passages to use?

If you dont use the bible or another external source to judge right from wrong, what do you use? is there any single principle from which all morality can be based? is it a set of principles?

 

[talloulou]

I use gut intuition to let me know whether something feels right or wrong. Now where that gut intuition comes from and whether or not it was heavily environmentally influenced I haven't a clue. I imagine my parents played a large role but we don't agree on everything so something else must also be playing a role.

 

[tecoyah]

treat each as I would like to be treated
do not tamper with the personal lives of others(unless part of mine)
know when to ignore/abandon relationships
smile whenever possible
keep low expectations of others

 

[Sir_Alec]

1. Never assume if you don't know it all
2. Don't justify the actions of your allies if they are unjust
3. We are all hypocrits sometime so why not get it over with now
4. Don't live life at the expense of others
5. Don't take part in things that waste useful energy
6. Never date co-workers
7. Put on a condom before you play sailor and go from port to port

 

[mixedmedia]

My moral system is based on the words and actions of my parents, but mostly it is my own instinctual understanding of right and wrong. I think everyone has this capability, with the exception of those with gross mental defiencies or abnormalities. It's just that people need to learn to balance selfishness and ego with the little voices in their head. I think that the acceptance, and even glorification of self-obssession, has done more to damage the moral climate today than any amount of "immoral" behavior alone.

 

[Patrickt]

When I became a police officer I was being interviewed and was asked about ethical issues that might come up. I thought a bit and said, "I don't know anything really about this job but I won't do anything that I'm ashamed to go home and tell my son." It might sound stupid but it kept me out of trouble.

I have to also give a lot of credit to my father and grandfather. From birth, I got rules for living that have been good.

Years ago someone asked me what I'd always dreamed of being and I said I didn't think I'd ever dreamed about being anything in paricular. Later we were watching a movie and I said, "That's what I always wanted to be."

"A cowboy?"

"No, a good guy." I think people have forgotten about the concept of being a good guy.

 

[jfuh]

Not to bring harm to others.

 

[Iriemon]

The golden rule.

 

[justone]

What moral principles do you use to guide you, and where do you get them from?

The bible? if so, how do you determain which passages to use?

If you dont use the bible or another external source to judge right from wrong, what do you use? is there any single principle from which all morality can be based? is it a set of principles?

Nobody has referred to the Bible, yet. It makes me to conclude that people, who value the Bible do not have moral principles.

 

[Iriemon]

Nobody has referred to the Bible, yet. It makes me to conclude that people, who value the Bible do not have moral principles.

The Golden Rule, do onto others as you would have them do onto you, or love you neighbor as you love yourself, is very Biblical; one of the two great commandments from which all the others flow, according to Jesus. The other is to love God, which doesn't per se give moral guidance.

 

[justone]

The Golden Rule, do onto others as you would have them do onto you, or love you neighbor as you love yourself, is very Biblical; one of the two great commandments from which all the others flow, according to Jesus. The other is to love God, which doesn't per se give moral guidance.

It was my confusion, I did not see “not to harm others” was Biblical in jfuh’s view. For some reason I saw it could be something else, like Buddhism or human rationalism or rational humanism. You are saying it could not be something else. I did not realize you and jfuh were referring to teachings of Jesus...:3oops:

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Secular Humanism, and utter contempt for force, sacrifice, fraud or faith.

 

[FallingPianos]

Not to bring harm to others.

what exactly do you mean by "harm"?

 

[talloulou]

what exactly do you mean by "harm"?

"others" is rather vague as well.

 

[jfuh]

what exactly do you mean by "harm"?

I don't know how I could simplify harm any further then it already is.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

I admit to no external source of morality; I listen to people (and others) who I deem worthy of consideration, but I am the ultimate arbiter of all moral questions.

I am still hammering out the details of my ethical system, but the most basic principles are:

1: The will to power is the most basic instinct of life.

2: The strong rule the weak, whether they want to or not.

3: The weak will imitate the powerful. You are an example for your lessers, and should always act as you would encourage them to.

4: Rulers are obligated to their subjects and vice-versa; "obligation from above, obedience from below".

5: You cannot help something (or love it) by keeping it weak and ignorant; you show love by helping something to become strong. Ideally, your brightest subjects will grow strong enough to either replace you or strike out on their own.

Most everything else extends from these. I have strong notions of honor and integrity, which spring partially from the second and fifth principles... but I think there's something more that I can't put my finger on.

 

[FallingPianos]

I don't know how I could simplify harm any further then it already is.

how do you distinquish harm from pain?

 

[jfuh]

how do you distinquish harm from pain?

Why need the two be distinguished?

 

[FallingPianos]

Why need the two be distinguished?

for example, children are incapible of making decisions for themselves. there may be times when you have to punish them, or give them medical treatment against their will. while these things might be painful for the child, they are not harmful.

 

[Iriemon]

Not to bring harm to others.

Not a bad general principle, and one we should strive to follow, IMO, but it does not apply as an absolute, in my opinion.

If we put someone in jail, that is harming him is it not? So shouldn't criminals be put in jail?

If someone attacks you, does that mean you cannot defend yourself if it causes harm to another.

 

[jfuh]

Not a bad general principle, and one we should strive to follow, IMO, but it does not apply as an absolute, in my opinion.

If we put someone in jail, that is harming him is it not? So shouldn't criminals be put in jail?

If someone attacks you, does that mean you cannot defend yourself if it causes harm to another.

IT's meant to be general - general in that it's not absolute.

If we put someone in jail, would it be harming them? Well that's a matter of perspective depending on how the "Correctional facility" is set up. If it's set (which i I acknowledge no facility on Earth .... well maybe GB, does) then it has the correctional value to it and perhaps saving the person from greater harm.

If someone were to attack me it doesn't mean I won't defend, but not to bring harm to others means I will not bring the harm to them. In that if they brought it to me, I must protect myself and those around from said threat. But then I am not the initiator of said violence or "harm". Certainly, it's relative of course and may seem hypocritical depending on how you look at it. But the general rule is that I will not take advantage of anyone else even when presented with such an opportunity. I believe that cooperation always wins over taking advantage of or bringing harm to.

 

[jfuh]

for example, children are incapible of making decisions for themselves. there may be times when you have to punish them, or give them medical treatment against their will. while these things might be painful for the child, they are not harmful.

In which case due to their being incapable of they are not responsible for.
Punishment is pointless unless you can address the situation you've presented. In otherwords, simply punishing and not correcting would be harm, or just simply pain alone.

You've brought up a very debateable point of "rejecting medical treatment" that I want to briefly touch up on. As we know, there are those fundamentalists that refuse surgery (Jejova's witness and so on) purly on the basis of superstition. My treatment of said persons would in thier mind be considered harm, even though I would see it as good (hypocratic oath).

The reason for my overly simplified moral standard is that it's not absolute. The words themselves are completely relative and retrospective in that there is plenty of room for determination and examination of what it means and in what context harm would be in.

Were a child not punished and said action not corrected, then you would be harming the child. Ignorance is not bliss, ignorance is stupidity.

 

[Jerry]

The increase of my vibration, or frequency, so that I may pass into the Field of the Blessed.

 

[FallingPianos]

The increase of my vibration, or frequency, so that I may pass into the Field of the Blessed.

you know you make less sense everyday? :lol:

 

[justone]

utter contempt for force, sacrifice, fraud or faith.

My s***list: Socialists, Religion, Hypocrites, Bigots, Prohibitionists, Censors, Fascists, Protectionists, Blind Nationalists, Big Brother/Government, Authoritarians, PNAC, Lobbyists, Collectivists, Revisionists, War Mongers, and Nihilists

Not to bring harm to others.

Whatever are jfuh’s unnecessary excuses for his principal, his need to give scientific answers to dull questions, and his persistent scare to be called a hypocrite, - I would rather have him as a neighbor, than Lachean who lives wrapped in a whole list of ready to go labels and utter contempt directed to outside, to those whom he wishes to label. Lachean as a neighbor would immediately get me involved in bloody fights against Devil tempting me to steal Leachean's horse, seduce his wife, shiit in has back yard, make false statement about him, put on Led Zeppelin through full capacity of my speakers, or just hit him between his eyes – tempting me to do whatever is possible for the sake of good of humanity. Lachean would be a very difficult neighbor; I have more than enough temptations besides him. Jfuh said no harm, - OK, whatever it means in details, as long as he does not have a list of labels wrapped around him each time when he walks in. jfuh walks in saying: “’Hi, neighbor, I mean no harm’’, (he often means just a lot of B/S, but who is here without a sin). Lachean walks in, checking, if I fit his list. An immediate temptation to hit him between the eyes. Is there anybody who is not tempted to hit him between the eyes?