What is wrong with the left? Upside down worldviews.

[Myview]

Michael Moore is so far gone, i can't imagine. He really thinks he can change things with his movies, as if people aren't on to him. Its insane.

Most of his documentaries were successful. Even wildly successful. The last one bombed.

 

[uptower]

The same exact joke though? If all those different networks coordinate like that right out in the open, its not a stretch to believe the actual supposed "news media" does the same, which is a problem. They should not be coordinating, but its fine, because the people are on to them.

Mmm, everyone reporting the same facts. It's definitely a conspiracy. We should look into it.

 

[beefheart]

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People like you will ignore things in plain sight, this is the stuff i'm talking about. THERE IS A DEMON FIGURE IN THE GENDER NEUTRAL BABY COMMERCIAL, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? I have no problem with the things you listed, i'm just looking for logical consistency. I will admit some of my claims in the OP were a bit over board, will you admit there is DEMON IN THE BABY COMMERCIAL?

Seriously, you are seeing demons in commercials. (it is a doll, made of fabric).

Time for you to go out into the real world and get away from whatever crazy ass church that is feeding you this drivel. And, enough with the all caps, it makes you look like a hysterical screamer who doesn't know punctuation.

Boo!


(there are no demons, stop living in fantasy fear world)

 

[eohrnberger]

This doesn't seem very logical to me.

A physical education teacher in Florida was punished for refusing to oversee a biologically female middle schooler who identifies as male potentially get undressed in the boys' locker room. The school, stunningly, allowed the female student to have access to the boys' locker room without so much as informing the male students who would be sharing the locker room with the girl or the students' parents.

According to a complaint letter from Liberty Counsel to Pasco County School District, the female student caught "boys (literally) with their pants down, causing them embarrassment and concern by the fact that they had been observed changing by an obvious girl," reports The Federalist.

Teachers and administrators were barred from speaking about the transgender policy, and when a male P.E. teacher refused to supervise the boys' locker room with the female student, he was reprimanded and told he would be transferred to a different school:

"With a 'gag order,' school administrators forbade teachers from talking about the change, and ordered a male P.E. teacher to supervise the potentially undressed girl in the Chasco Middle School locker room," the letter says. When he refused to "knowingly place himself in a position to observe a minor female in the nude or otherwise in a state of undress," administrators told him "he will be transferred to another school as discipline for ‘not doing your job in the locker room.'"
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/3836...ed-refusing-oversee-girl-amanda-prestigiacomo

Hardly a surprise that there's blowback from such a seeming illogical position.

Pasco schools psychologist comes under fire in transgender flap
https://www.tampabay.com/.../pasco-schools-psychologist-comes-under-fire-in-transg...
12 hours ago - District officials defend Jackie Jackson-Dean and the role she plays helping students. ... come down hard on Pasco County schools in the past few weeks. ... teachers who have refused to monitor the boys' locker room while a ...

Pasco residents call for changes to school district policies on ...
https://www.tampabay.com/article/20181120/ARTICLE/311209732
Nov 20, 2018 - The locker room has showers, which officials have said students do not ... They urged the board to adopt a rule similar to the Marion County School Board, ... from having to supervise locker rooms with transgender students, ...

School Goes After Male Teacher for Not Being Willing to Supervise ...
https://townhall.com/.../school-goes-after-male-teacher-for-not-being-willing-to-super...
Nov 14, 2018 - Earlier this school year, a school district in Florida allowed a biological ... Willing to Supervise Biologically Female Student in Locker Room ... In the case of Pasco County School District, it appears that its transgender policies ...
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Extremist Social Justice Warrior / Excessive PC extremes implemented in public policy, this time in the liberal / progressive indoctrination centers laughing called 'education' (it isn't about educating young people anymore) and its inevitable and predictable rejection.

Perhaps we shouldn't do that? Perhaps we shouldn't implement extremist Social Justice Warrior / excessive PC in public policy? Now that would be logical. Implementing such wouldn't be.

It would make a lot more sense to to have public policy stick to biological sex, it's much less ambiguous and a scientific fact.

 

[TheParser]

Rank State 2018 Population
1 California 39,776,830
2 Texas 28,704,330
3 Florida 21,312,211
4 New York 19,862,512

Ok, enjoy your future losses.

Yes, the liberals are right. Let us conservatives and independents be good losers.

The future belongs to the liberals. 2020 will be a wild celebration of victory for them.

California (where I live) is now a state with a dead GOP. Dead, dead, dead!

The Democrats may even succeed in getting rid of the Electoral College someday.

Then all the other states might as well even forget voting for president.

Like it or not, the United States (and many European nations like the UK, France, Germany, and (sob) Sweden) have decided to go all-out "liberal."

The eventual results will be catastrophic.


The only hope we have is that FATE will step in to save those countries.

 

[Nemiroff]

Well as far as the borders its not so much anyone in particular in the mainstream left, but the actual people out on the streets are protesting in the name of many things including open borders. I've posted many videos in this thread, its not hard to find.

What do you think War is? People are dying so you can enjoy the benefits of America, i'm not convinced you can be a patriot and not a nationalist at the same time, although of course there are levels to everything. You wouldn't sacrifice anyone personally, but you don't mind if they choose to do so on your behalf.

If Christians were homophobic, and this country was founded with Christianity, how do you explain the current state of affairs in this country? They are much more tolerant than they get credit for.

Caricatures are not far from the truth, good ones at least.

Well if your gonna quote the idiots on the street, I guess I'll quote the right wing idiots on the streets chanting Jews will not replace us and doing Hitler salutes. I dont think you want to compare the bottom of the barrels. Let's stick to the mainstream that actually represents the opinions of the people. Most on the left want border security, they just dont want it to be selective based on race, and they dont forget the tragedies blind refusal of refugees has created in the past.

Patriotism an old term used to mean a love for your country.
Nationalism is a new term that evolved in the 19th century and is associated with blind devotion, and often hatred for other nations. It has been a symbol of hate, bigotry, and aggression throughout its use.
It's like the difference between love and obedience. Except with some hate thrown in.

I dont think this nation was made on Christian values. Nor was our original system very tolerant with rampant slavery and very few eligible voters. Also if we look at things historically, before the islamic world was destabilized in ww1, it was islam that was incredibly diverse, peaceful, and tolerable while the Christian nations had book burnings, persecutions, and constant war even amongst each other.

The founding fathers sought an ideal of tolerance that they themselves did not fully realize, but was made in contrast to the rest of Christian Europe.

Caricatures are a twisting of reality, and in this case you didnt seem to properly state a single left wing policy, like the idea that the left wants lawless borders just cause some idiots scream it on the street, while pretending the comparable and far more violent idiots on the right dont exist.

The left despises islamic treatment of gays and women, but that doesnt change the fact that their mosques are allowed to exist in a free nation. the law should absolutely crack down on abuse by muslims living in the United states, but that doesnt change their right to pray x times a day facing whichever way they want. Or do you not believe in freedom of religion as in the constitution?

 

[Nemiroff]

I don't know if you know who Jimmy Dore is, he was a comedian that has now turned political commentator and pretty much embodies everything you just described, my problem is the left you describe does not push back against the fringe. This lack of backbone has real consequences, they are passing laws that can get you locked up for speech in liberal hubs around the world, and the reasonable liberals say nothing. Rosie O'Donnell loses her show for a "racist" tweet which is debatable, but James Gunn has a ton of pedo jokes on the same platform, twitter, gets fired, and the left starts a petition for him to get his job back. How does that happen?

That's nonsense. Obama repeatedly told the college protestors to stop protesting and battle those ideas on the stage.

No one is getting arrested for speech. Please cite that.

Gunn was doing clearly sarcastic jokes in bad taste while Roseanne was literally disparaging someone based on their race. Also gunn apologized, while Roseanne pretended the monkey comment had nothing to do with the targets race. Her firing was a private decision since the disgust could have affected ratings while gunn clearly retained his support and would not affect the $$$. None of these moves were forced by law or policy.

But more importantly, people arrested for speech? In this country? That's hilarious nonsense. You do understand that free speech works both ways and people are free to Express their disgust... or do you think only some people deserve to have their speech protected?

 

[Nemiroff]

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People like you will ignore things in plain sight, this is the stuff i'm talking about. THERE IS A DEMON FIGURE IN THE GENDER NEUTRAL BABY COMMERCIAL, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? I have no problem with the things you listed, i'm just looking for logical consistency. I will admit some of my claims in the OP were a bit over board, will you admit there is DEMON IN THE BABY COMMERCIAL?

Is the demon figure that tiny round think with big eyes in one or the cribs? That is quite a bit of an imagination. There are tons of these kinds of plush toys for kids, they double as pillows. I had to watch it like 5 times pausing looking for the demon lol. I'm sorry but I'm not making the same connection you are.

 

[RBIII]

Well if your gonna quote the idiots on the street, I guess I'll quote the right wing idiots on the streets chanting Jews will not replace us and doing Hitler salutes. I dont think you want to compare the bottom of the barrels. Let's stick to the mainstream that actually represents the opinions of the people. Most on the left want border security, they just dont want it to be selective based on race, and they dont forget the tragedies blind refusal of refugees has created in the past.

Patriotism an old term used to mean a love for your country.
Nationalism is a new term that evolved in the 19th century and is associated with blind devotion, and often hatred for other nations. It has been a symbol of hate, bigotry, and aggression throughout its use.
It's like the difference between love and obedience. Except with some hate thrown in.

I dont think this nation was made on Christian values. Nor was our original system very tolerant with rampant slavery and very few eligible voters. Also if we look at things historically, before the islamic world was destabilized in ww1, it was islam that was incredibly diverse, peaceful, and tolerable while the Christian nations had book burnings, persecutions, and constant war even amongst each other.

The founding fathers sought an ideal of tolerance that they themselves did not fully realize, but was made in contrast to the rest of Christian Europe.

Caricatures are a twisting of reality, and in this case you didnt seem to properly state a single left wing policy, like the idea that the left wants lawless borders just cause some idiots scream it on the street, while pretending the comparable and far more violent idiots on the right dont exist.

The left despises islamic treatment of gays and women, but that doesnt change the fact that their mosques are allowed to exist in a free nation. the law should absolutely crack down on abuse by muslims living in the United states, but that doesnt change their right to pray x times a day facing whichever way they want. Or do you not believe in freedom of religion as in the constitution?

Fair enough, the left are the main ones out protesting in almost every major city these days and are allowed free reign on most major platforms, while the right are banned on most major platforms when they present counter ideas. I do believe in freedom of religion, however the left holds nothing back when mocking Christians, but won't touch Islam, i'd like to see the mockery across the board.

I find it interesting though that you used the term bottom of the barrel, which implies there are some on the left who also have garbage ideas, i think this is the first time I've heard it put that way, common ground accomplished.

I think as far as economics go, the left has the right idea to an extent, if we are the richest country in the world, tuition free college shouldn't be a huge task, and getting sick shouldn't wipe out your bank account. That's about as far as i'd take it.

Socially, the hill the left is about to die on is this gender stuff, its mucking up would be progress in other areas.

 

[RBIII]

Is the demon figure that tiny round think with big eyes in one or the cribs? That is quite a bit of an imagination. There are tons of these kinds of plush toys for kids, they double as pillows. I had to watch it like 5 times pausing looking for the demon lol. I'm sorry but I'm not making the same connection you are.

Okay, last attempt, this is the real version which is wide angle:



Now there are four ghostly like figures in baby carriage, this would seem like the opposite way to get people to be open to this, imo it has demonic over tones, and notice during the commercial this scene is over in a flash, so if you blink you could miss it.

Why do this, it seems counter productive? And if you read the comments on the video almost everyone sees it that way.

Look at the like ratio, this does not take much imagination.

 

[RBIII]

That's nonsense. Obama repeatedly told the college protestors to stop protesting and battle those ideas on the stage.

No one is getting arrested for speech. Please cite that.

Gunn was doing clearly sarcastic jokes in bad taste while Roseanne was literally disparaging someone based on their race. Also gunn apologized, while Roseanne pretended the monkey comment had nothing to do with the targets race. Her firing was a private decision since the disgust could have affected ratings while gunn clearly retained his support and would not affect the $$$. None of these moves were forced by law or policy.

But more importantly, people arrested for speech? In this country? That's hilarious nonsense. You do understand that free speech works both ways and people are free to Express their disgust... or do you think only some people deserve to have their speech protected?

Not in this country yet, but its starting on social media, it will then try and make its way into law if the left were in charge.

https://reason.com/archives/2018/09/15/britain-turns-offensive-speech-into-a-po



"It was Britain. Yes, Britain has become a nation in which offensive speech can become a police matter. Where, in April this year, a 19-year-old woman was convicted of sending a "grossly offensive" message after she posted rap lyrics that included the N-word on her Instagram page. Where, also in April, a Scottish ****poster was found guilty of a hate crime for teaching a pug to do a Nazi salute and posting the footage on YouTube. Where in recent years individuals have been arrested and in some cases imprisoned for making racist comments or just cracking tasteless jokes on Twitter."

 

[Deuce]

Here you go, it happens every year, since the left has elevated Amber Rose to role model status:

What exactly is your issue with any of this?

 

[RBIII]

What exactly is your issue with any of this?

Uhh...its glorifying and attempting to normalize behavior that leads to unwanted pregnancies, disease, abortions, suicide, low self esteem, depression. Not to mention some bring children. Need i go on? It's pretty horrible around the board.

 

[Nemiroff]

Fair enough, the left are the main ones out protesting in almost every major city these days and are allowed free reign on most major platforms, while the right are banned on most major platforms when they present counter ideas. I do believe in freedom of religion, however the left holds nothing back when mocking Christians, but won't touch Islam, i'd like to see the mockery across the board.

I find it interesting though that you used the term bottom of the barrel, which implies there are some on the left who also have garbage ideas, i think this is the first time I've heard it put that way, common ground accomplished.

I think as far as economics go, the left has the right idea to an extent, if we are the richest country in the world, tuition free college shouldn't be a huge task, and getting sick shouldn't wipe out your bank account. That's about as far as i'd take it.

Socially, the hill the left is about to die on is this gender stuff, its mucking up would be progress in other areas.

The left are the ones mostly protesting, while the right are the ones who mostly shoot up crowds of innocent people. The only left wing attack was on 1 politician, while a right winger walks into a black church shooting hoping for a race war, and he isnt the only exception.

Utilizing free speech vs utilizing hate, fear, and violence. The tactics may be too aggressive (Merica) but the casualties are 0 to many. Name 1 fatal left wing incident in the recent *decades*.

As far as gender, I think they should agree on a single, non plural 3rd pronoun, and no making 5 of them up. And then it's fine. Past that, I dont care. It's really a personality thing. Not a sex thing.

The sex one is trans, and that's a legit disorder. Not feeling comfortable in your own body without massive medical intervention. I think its caused by society, but it's completely *not* normal.

Trans assumes theres only 2 genders, they are just the wrong 1.

The 3rd gender just want to recognize masculine feminine as an analog spectrum rather than a digital either/or might be a good explanation. I don't think most people on either side understand this distinction and just swap them around senselessly.

And yeah, bottom of the barrel is everywhere. theres plenty of idiots on both sides. Especially the loud ones. Both sides are about 100 million people each after all

 

[nota bene]

What exactly is your issue with any of this?

Poor Phoebe Price. I always hoped she'd make it, but instead she became what everybody said she was in the first place.

 

[Nemiroff]

Okay, last attempt, this is the real version which is wide angle:

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Now there are four ghostly like figures in baby carriage, this would seem like the opposite way to get people to be open to this, imo it has demonic over tones, and notice during the commercial this scene is over in a flash, so if you blink you could miss it.

Why do this, it seems counter productive? And if you read the comments on the video almost everyone sees it that way.

Look at the like ratio, this does not take much imagination.

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Ok, I see them. Lol. Wierd choice of branding the whole break in thing in general, + the shadow things. Definitely creepy.

How is that tied to liberalism. Cant it just be a cooky choice by a cooky artist? Maybe shes in league with satan herself for personal gain? Why is this liberal? Cause the clothes are gender neutral? That's great for parents of multiple kids or people who dont know. Sounds like a business decision to seperate from the competition.... do you want it to be "the liberals"

 

[RBIII]

The left are the ones mostly protesting, while the right are the ones who mostly shoot up crowds of innocent people. The only left wing attack was on 1 politician, while a right winger walks into a black church shooting hoping for a race war, and he isnt the only exception.

Utilizing free speech vs utilizing hate, fear, and violence. The tactics may be too aggressive (Merica) but the casualties are 0 to many. Name 1 fatal left wing incident in the recent *decades*.


Many states conduct abortion surveillance. CDC compiles the information that states collect to produce national estimates. CDC's surveillance system compiles information on legal induced abortions only. Between 1970 and 2014, CDC reports nearly 44.5 million legal induced abortions.

Over 44 years that's roughly 1 million per year, the left does there damage in the name of progress.

As far as gender, I think they should agree on a single, non plural 3rd pronoun, and no making 5 of them up. And then it's fine. Past that, I dont care. It's really a personality thing. Not a sex thing.

The sex one is trans, and that's a legit disorder. Not feeling comfortable in your own body without massive medical intervention. I think its caused by society, but it's completely *not* normal.

Trans assumes theres only 2 genders, they are just the wrong 1.

The 3rd gender just want to recognize masculine feminine as an analog spectrum rather than a digital either/or might be a good explanation. I don't think most people on either side understand this distinction and just swap them around senselessly.

And yeah, bottom of the barrel is everywhere. theres plenty of idiots on both sides. Especially the loud ones. Both sides are about 100 million people each after all

Is it out of the question to suggest that if no one can actually argue this gender stuff with logical consistency, that perhaps its bull****? All this energy trying to navigate it is sucking all the wind out of other progressive initiatives.

 

[Nemiroff]

Not in this country yet, but its starting on social media, it will then try and make its way into law if the left were in charge.

https://reason.com/archives/2018/09/15/britain-turns-offensive-speech-into-a-po



"It was Britain. Yes, Britain has become a nation in which offensive speech can become a police matter. Where, in April this year, a 19-year-old woman was convicted of sending a "grossly offensive" message after she posted rap lyrics that included the N-word on her Instagram page. Where, also in April, a Scottish ****poster was found guilty of a hate crime for teaching a pug to do a Nazi salute and posting the footage on YouTube. Where in recent years individuals have been arrested and in some cases imprisoned for making racist comments or just cracking tasteless jokes on Twitter."

Are britian and scotland supposed to be liberal countries? The Brits are famous for being the most conservative bunch in europe! How come this isnt happening in Sweden? Or any of the left wing democracies? This isnt the left.

The ones trying to legislate speech is you guys on the right. Social media push backs arent law. They are people speaking back. Just like you have every LEGAL right to make fun of anyone, they have a right to mock and criticize you right back. And as long as nothing gets physical or actually threatening. The law has no right to intervene. Yall are the snowflakes who can dish but cant take it back. Smh

 

[Nemiroff]

Is it out of the question to suggest that if no one can actually argue this gender stuff with logical consistency, that perhaps its bull****? All this energy trying to navigate it is sucking all the wind out of other progressive initiatives.

So if a population doesnt understand math then math must be bull****?

It's very simple, if trans is a man becoming a woman or a woman becoming a man.... that's 2 genders involved.

Have you heard of any 3rd gender sex changes? No. Cause that's stupid. Clearly they are seperate subjects. It's not hard, it's just when your so partisan, nuance and details are out of focus.

 

[Nemiroff]

Is it out of the question to suggest that if no one can actually argue this gender stuff with logical consistency, that perhaps its bull****? All this energy trying to navigate it is sucking all the wind out of other progressive initiatives.

Also, citing abortion as acts of violence is debatable. However you do know what I was referencing and there are zero fatal violent incidents from anyone on the left. Unlike the right.

The most extreme left wingers pale in comparison to their right wing counterparts.

 

[RBIII]

Ok, I see them. Lol. Wierd choice of branding the whole break in thing in general, + the shadow things. Definitely creepy.

How is that tied to liberalism. Cant it just be a cooky choice by a cooky artist? Maybe shes in league with satan herself for personal gain? Why is this liberal? Cause the clothes are gender neutral? That's great for parents of multiple kids or people who dont know. Sounds like a business decision to seperate from the competition.... do you want it to be "the liberals"

The left has a massive worldwide propaganda machine, they use celebrities as their foot solders to carry out and promote their dogma, right now the biggest ones are gender and hate speech, its not a coincidence Celine Dion did this now. Neither of those things they can logically define, so they keep screaming and talking in circles until you accept it, but this is where the rubber will hit the road for them.

I think i need to make a proper distinction between the left and liberals, liberals are cool for the most part and are a sub sect of the left and the right. You can be a liberal on the left, and you can be a liberal on the right. Liberals on the right are pretty much cool with most things until basic foundation ideas and freedoms start to become up rooted, like gender and free speech. Whereas liberals on the left seem not be phased by these things, at least as far i can tell, they are much more prone to give up freedoms in exchange for feel goodness.

 

[RBIII]

So if a population doesnt understand math then math must be bull****?

It's very simple, if trans is a man becoming a woman or a woman becoming a man.... that's 2 genders involved.

Have you heard of any 3rd gender sex changes? No. Cause that's stupid. Clearly they are seperate subjects. It's not hard, it's just when your so partisan, nuance and details are out of focus.

Math is the epitome of logical consistency. Its pointless and a waste of time to learn, we are better off just being nice to everyone, much easier and a better use of time. Problem is, not everyone in this world is nice, and you can't make them be. Everyone has their own problems and many don't have the time or energy to learn about someone else's.

 

[Deuce]

Uhh...its glorifying and attempting to normalize behavior that leads to unwanted pregnancies, disease, abortions, suicide, low self esteem, depression. Not to mention some bring children. Need i go on? It's pretty horrible around the board.

What? No, man, unprotected sex does that. Abstinence-only education actually increases all of that. Isn’t that funny? People supposedly against abortion support policies that cause an increase in unintended pregnancy.

 

[RBIII]

Are britian and scotland supposed to be liberal countries? The Brits are famous for being the most conservative bunch in europe! How come this isnt happening in Sweden? Or any of the left wing democracies? This isnt the left.

The ones trying to legislate speech is you guys on the right. Social media push backs arent law. They are people speaking back. Just like you have every LEGAL right to make fun of anyone, they have a right to mock and criticize you right back. And as long as nothing gets physical or actually threatening. The law has no right to intervene. Yall are the snowflakes who can dish but cant take it back. Smh

I guess you are kind of making my point then, not every country wants to be Sweden or Sweden like, the left is a wave that tries to impose its will, strong countries resist it, Sweden wouldn't last 2 days if **** hit the fan. But in the meantime, its probably pretty pleasant there i'll admit that.

Do you have an example of the right trying to legislate free speech? This would be news to me.

 

[RBIII]

What? No, man, unprotected sex does that. Abstinence-only education actually increases all of that. Isn’t that funny? People supposedly against abortion support policies that cause an increase in unintended pregnancy.

Its a slut walk not an abstinence walk? Are we talking about the same thing here?