What is the right afraid of? People loving the ACA.

[head of joaquin]

I think a system more like Medicare would make more sense than a system where employers pay for some and the government pays for others is inherently flawed. This is something that many democratic senators called for. Insurance companies balked, so it fell by the wayside.

This is simply not workable and does not have enough teeth to make healthy young folks join, which is what may make this fall apart and not be affordable.

I agree. But it was impossible for Obama and progressives to pass such a law given the power of the conservative elements in the government and the media. So we got a little progress rather than a lot. But a little progress adds up over time, as conservatives have learned to their utter dismay.

 

[OscarB63]

I agree. But it was impossible for Obama and progressives to pass such a law given the power of the conservative elements in the government and the media. So we got a little progress rather than a lot. But a little progress adds up over time, as conservatives have learned to their utter dismay.

at the time ACA was passed, the democrats had a super majority in Congress and the POTUS. they could have passed anything they wanted and this POS is the best they could come up with.

 

[James D Hill]

at the time ACA was passed, the democrats had a super majority in Congress and the POTUS. they could have passed anything they wanted and this POS is the best they could come up with.

And what did the conservatives bring us when they had the Whitehouse for eight years? A ruined economy. Two unfunded wars of wich only one was needed. A housing meltdown. Income inequality growing a an alarming rate. A bad prescription drug plan that cost untold billions. We gave your side a chance and they blew it my friend. Your side had a chance to end the ACA last fall when Romney lost by over 5 million votes. Your side has only themselves to blame yet they act like spoiled children who wat to take their ball and go home. They have lost and should be working on ways to fix the ACA now that it is law of the land instead of hold the country hostage to repeal it.

 

[James D Hill]

The ACA will not be stopped and will lead to single payer and fundamentally change this nation, which is what the socialists have wanted for decades.
They have won so we real Americans should just sit down shut up and line up for government handouts with the rest of them.

And what is wrong with socialism my friend? Every other first rate country in the world has a national health system so why not us. Why not feed the millions who have lost their jobs and who are under employed due to the capitalist turning their back on the American worker. We pay for their healthcare anyway when they crowd our emedrgancy rooms so why not national health?

 

[AngryOldGuy]

And what is wrong with socialism

yeah I know it's worked every time its been tried.

 

[AngryOldGuy]

The sad thing is there are still people that think the ACA has anything to do with health care...
might be the same folks that think we are in a recovering economy, devaluing the the currency & running up the debt aren't a problem
and they still believe in hopey changey too. I envy them, I really do.

 

[James D Hill]

yeah I know it's worked every time its been tried.

It worked in Norway,Sweden,The UK,France,Germany,Spain and every other first rate country in the world. The cold war is over and by the way this country has many socialist programs too. What do you think Social security is or the VA?

 

[MarineTpartier]

If the conservatives where so sure the ACA was bunk then why not wait and let it fail on its own and say "we told you so."? I think the right wing is afraid people are going to like it just like social security,medicare oe medicade. They claim this is a start to socialized healthcare ( I hope so) but the whole thing was their idea in the first place and they only hate it because Obama pushed it through. Yea I think the right wing is afraid we are going to have another intitlement to hate. Too bad.

Uh, no. The right understands, just as the Dems do (which is why they won't negotiate on it), that once the ACA kicks in, it will never go away. No matter how bad it sucks. That's how it works. Once the people get a benefit, they pay taxes towards it, etc it never gets taken off the table. Sure, a lot of people will like the ACA. No doubt. They will also be the people complaining that they are working part time at three different jobs because businesses are cutting hours to stay under the full time employee threshold. They will also be complaining that no business offers healthcare anymore because, why should they? The gov't does that now. They will be the people complaining that they can't pick their own doctor because he dropped out of the marketplace. That is what I see, without my rose colored, hope and change glasses on. This thing, just like Medicare, will slowly but surely grow more and more out of control until it becomes untenable. We can't even fix our current social programs, we don't need a new one. I do agree that healthcare reform needs to happen. Most definitely. But the gov't shouldn't handle it. They've shown they'll screw that up in a heartbeat.

 

[James D Hill]

Uh, no. The right understands, just as the Dems do (which is why they won't negotiate on it), that once the ACA kicks in, it will never go away. No matter how bad it sucks. That's how it works. Once the people get a benefit, they pay taxes towards it, etc it never gets taken off the table. Sure, a lot of people will like the ACA. No doubt. They will also be the people complaining that they are working part time at three different jobs because businesses are cutting hours to stay under the full time employee threshold. They will also be complaining that no business offers healthcare anymore because, why should they? The gov't does that now. They will be the people complaining that they can't pick their own doctor because he dropped out of the marketplace. That is what I see, without my rose colored, hope and change glasses on. This thing, just like Medicare, will slowly but surely grow more and more out of control until it becomes untenable. We can't even fix our current social programs, we don't need a new one. I do agree that healthcare reform needs to happen. Most definitely. But the gov't shouldn't handle it. They've shown they'll screw that up in a heartbeat.

No but it could be made better if they worked together. The right hates anything that helps the poor and they have been that way since 1900.

 

[Perotista]

No but it could be made better if they worked together. The right hates anything that helps the poor and they have been that way since 1900.

You may be right when it comes to government helping the poor, helping the poor out of other peoples pockets. But survey after survey has shown the right donates much, much more to charities that help the poor. They do so out of their own pocket, not someone else's.

I firmly believe in a safety net, but a safety net that gives people a hand up, not a hand out. A safety net that teaches one how to fish and not one that just gives them the fish.

 

[polgara]

You may be right when it comes to government helping the poor, helping the poor out of other peoples pockets. But survey after survey has shown the right donates much, much more to charities that help the poor. They do so out of their own pocket, not someone else's.

I firmly believe in a safety net, but a safety net that gives people a hand up, not a hand out. A safety net that teaches one how to fish and not one that just gives them the fish.

Good evening, Pero. :2wave:

:agree: When the fifth generation is getting "safety net" money, something is very out of whack, and needs correcting! Doesn't anyone check these things? Even if the women are having babies at age 16, we're talking 60 or more years, not counting great-great grandma! "Temporary" assistance becomes a lifestyle, it seems. :shock:

 

[MarineTpartier]

No but it could be made better if they worked together. The right hates anything that helps the poor and they have been that way since 1900.

You mean like when they proposed to remove the medical device tax attached to ACA and the Senate shot it down? Or that Pres Obama delayed the ACA mandate for small businesses but can't do it for the public? Even though the Spanish speaking version isn't ready nor is the English system fluid. This goes both ways man. Both sides could do more. The Dems preached and preached about the 1%, yada, yada, yada. Yet you hear nothing of that anymore even though the rich continue to get richer and the poor get poorer.

 

[AngryOldGuy]

There are more people in this country that realize how socialized medicine
fundamentally alters the relationship between the government and the citizen than you can imagine.

It is clear that number is growing on a daily basis.

The only question that remains: will we sit idly by while the last nail is hammered into the coffin of the Constitutional Republic?

 

[Perotista]

Good evening, Pero. :2wave:

:agree: When the fifth generation is getting "safety net" money, something is very out of whack, and needs correcting! Doesn't anyone check these things? Even if the women are having babies at age 16, we're talking 60 or more years, not counting great-great grandma! "Temporary" assistance becomes a lifestyle, it seems. :shock:

It does, but that is the way the system is set up.

 

[AngryOldGuy]

What happens when the social safety net that has now become a hammock groaning under the weight of 47% of the
population supported by what will be 21 Trillion in debt SNAPS?
What has happened to a society in the past that has experienced similar conditions?
hah ok there's hardly ever been a situation such as that?
we are a rich country with a crazy big military armed with nukes
we are to big to fail! :lamo

 

[greengirl77]

What are Republicans going to do when this actually works and people love it like the guy that saved 13000.00. Oh yeah Faux News will call it Repubcare because it was their idea from the get go and the teatards will fall right in line.

 

[OscarB63]

What are Republicans going to do when this actually works and people love it like the guy that saved 13000.00. Oh yeah Faux News will call it Repubcare because it was their idea from the get go and the teatards will fall right in line.

awwwwwww....."banned". color me :shock:

 

[James D Hill]

What happens when the social safety net that has now become a hammock groaning under the weight of 47% of the
population supported by what will be 21 Trillion in debt SNAPS?
What has happened to a society in the past that has experienced similar conditions?
hah ok there's hardly ever been a situation such as that?
we are a rich country with a crazy big military armed with nukes
we are to big to fail! :lamo

Well maybe the right wingers shoud tell their big business friends to start hiring. 47% could be 25% if American business would invest in our workers again. The only way to bring down the debt is to bring the unemployment rate to 4%. This would get people off welfare too so you conservatives would have to find another outrage and scapegoat.

 

[Mycroft]

Well maybe the right wingers shoud tell their big business friends to start hiring. 47% could be 25% if American business would invest in our workers again. The only way to bring down the debt is to bring the unemployment rate to 4%. This would get people off welfare too so you conservatives would have to find another outrage and scapegoat.

Only liberals could believe that more government regulation can ever result in lowering the unemployment rate.

Sorry...but it just doesn't work that way.

 

[James D Hill]

Only liberals could believe that more government regulation can ever result in lowering the unemployment rate.

Sorry...but it just doesn't work that way.

Well Lets find out. How about giving tax breaks for hiring Americans or bringing jobs back from overseas? How about taxing those who send jobs overseas.

 

[Mycroft]

Well Lets find out. How about giving tax breaks for hiring Americans or bringing jobs back from overseas? How about taxing those who send jobs overseas.

Won't work. Not when high taxes are a great part of the reason jobs went overseas to begin with. See, this is what I mean about being pragmatic. Liberals have this great idea...bring jobs back...but they have no reasonable or logical way of doing it.

 

[TheNextEra]

Liberals have this great idea...bring jobs back...but they have no reasonable or logical way of doing it.

And what is the Republicans idea to bring jobs back? ZERO corporate taxes, slave wages, what? Even if corporate wages were zero, you couldn't compete with overseas slave wages, so what is YOUR idea?

 

[Mycroft]

And what is the Republicans idea to bring jobs back? ZERO corporate taxes, slave wages, what? Even if corporate wages were zero, you couldn't compete with overseas slave wages, so what is YOUR idea?

Me? I don't have any logical or reasonable plan. But you don't see me running around doing stupid stuff that doesn't work...just because I have an idea or a theory.

 

[AngryOldGuy]

Them bloody commies won't be happy til they've run this country into the ground.
Since we are content to sit idly by and allow it I really don't think we've any room to whine n moan about it?

Or perhaps that is the extent of the effort we can be bothered to muster?

Republicans are simply representing the views of the American people

 

[Arbo]

Well Lets find out. How about giving tax breaks for hiring Americans or bringing jobs back from overseas? How about taxing those who send jobs overseas.

1) any tax credit for 'bringing jobs back' would be pointless as the cost of labor is so much higher here most companies would still fail. And our products would increase in price.
2) under what part of the constitution do you feel the government has a right to tax those who 'send jobs overseas'? How exactly does such a think work?