What is the right afraid of? People loving the ACA.

[OscarB63]

I tend to agree with you. If I was a Republican and I thought Obamacare was a failure and would drive people to vote for the Republican Party. I would let it go into effect warts and all. It makes no sense for the GOP to fight it so, that is if they are sure it will be a disaster. You may have a valid point, only time will tell.

It's a lose-lose for the GOP. IF obamacare suceeds, the Dems will take all the credit. If obamacare fails, the Dems will just claim that it failed because the GOP sabotaged it.

 

[Perotista]

It's a lose-lose for the GOP. IF obamacare suceeds, the Dems will take all the credit. If obamacare fails, the Dems will just claim that it failed because the GOP sabotaged it.

I can understand that thinking, but I tend to look back to 2010 when approximately 58% of the American people opposed Obamacare and the Dems passed it anyway. November of that year was a Republican banner election. I think the GOP has done all they can to get it repealed, Obamacare is here to stay unless the Republicans can somehow win back the senate next year and the presidency two years later while campaigning heavily on Obamacare. I think the republicans have overstepped with this government shutdown over Obamacare.

 

[AngryOldGuy]

approximately 58% of the American people opposed Obamacare... Obamacare is here to stay... I think the republicans have overstepped with this government shutdown over Obamacare.

Yes it will never be repealed, just as with the income tax in 1916 (you could argue that the 16th depended on the creation of the Fed in 1913?) SSI in the 30's medicare/medicaid in the 60's (are you starting to notice a trend?) it has been all been working towards this last piece of the socialist puzzle? I don't get the last part, though, this faux 'shutdown' is purely symbolic, meaningless:

Government shutdown in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

or is it? Read through the issues column, think for a moment, then see if I've got this Straight!

Ford was fighting to stop out an of control budget, the Dems won (heh we are now 17T in the hole)
K? now try yo keep up and see if I get anything wrong
Basically ALL FIVE Carter shutdowns were over using tax dollars to fund abortion SOLELY due to rape/incest, the ACA pays
for elective procedures lawl.
Now is where you'll gain an insight to the whole thing, eight count em EIGHT SHUTDOWNS during raygun's 2 terms?
Allow me to 'Break It Down' for ya:
Spending, deficit spending hah and abortion rears its head and the Dems are siding with the sandinistas
the is this the first shutdown in barrakcs 2 terms five years in? We'll never see another much less seven more.
Now

HW vowed to veto any continuing resolution that was not paired with a deficit reduction package?
hmmm 'continuing resolution'? Where have I heard this before? spend spend spend!

and now Lady's n germs I give Slick Willie's 2 terms! a fight over you guessed it, should we keep spending ourselves into oblivion Zzzz

Now consider this: this shutdown is over whether we are going to just forget about the Constitution and the Republic
throw in the towel embrace the ACA which makes ALL the past bickering moot?
bankruptcy levels of spending are assured: 1913 fiat currency, 1916 the govt depriving you of the right to the fruits of your labor, SSI 'we will take care of you' in retirement Medicare/medicare 'we will take care of your' medical needs in old age,

Now the ACA 'we will take care of you' from cradle to grave Now it's right there in your face?
You are a subject of the State, property of the state?

relax kiddies, we are all socialists now


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[greengirl77]

Conservatives are not "afraid" of anything. They just don't want people to become dependent upon Obamacare like they did with social security.

Liberals, on the other hand, want people to become as dependent upon the government tit.

That, in a nutshell, is the difference between conservative and liberal.

Oh, and conservatives don't like to tell people "I told you so"...after it's too late. That's what liberals like to do.

So you are saying Republicans give all their federal aide back?? Since according to you not one of them takes advantage of these and the next thing you are going to spew is they are the only ones that pay taxes.

 

[Mycroft]

So you are saying Republicans give all their federal aide back?? Since according to you not one of them takes advantage of these and the next thing you are going to spew is they are the only ones that pay taxes.

Darling, you don't know me, I'm sure, but you will find out that putting words in my mouth...especially hyperbolic words...just doesn't work with me.

Now...unless you can show me where I've said any of the things you have attributed to me here, I'll just dismiss and ignore your post. You got anything for me?

 

[greengirl77]

Darling, you don't know me, I'm sure, but you will find out that putting words in my mouth...especially hyperbolic words...just doesn't work with me.

Now...unless you can show me where I've said any of the things you have attributed to me here, I'll just dismiss and ignore your post. You got anything for me?

One I am not your Darling you sexist pig. Typical Republican. I asked a simple question you can either choose to answer it or STFU

 

[AngryOldGuy]

IF obammycare works,

what would Obamacare working even look like?

 

[Linc]

short-quoting huh----I'd say Social Security, medicare, and Medicaid

 

[washunut]

If the conservatives where so sure the ACA was bunk then why not wait and let it fail on its own and say "we told you so."? I think the right wing is afraid people are going to like it just like social security,medicare oe medicade. They claim this is a start to socialized healthcare ( I hope so) but the whole thing was their idea in the first place and they only hate it because Obama pushed it through. Yea I think the right wing is afraid we are going to have another intitlement to hate. Too bad.

Do you really think it is wise to push through something not ready for prime time solely to score political points. The law has good and bad features. That being said, it seems to have some fundemental flaws which if not fixed will make health insurance less affordable for many. If the purpose of the law was to hand out free insurance to more people then just do that without screwing up insurance for many others.

By the same token, being able to move between jobs with a pre-existing condition is a great thing. Of course that makes insurance more expensive as companies can't cherry pick. Not sure why both sides can't be honest about what this bill is and isn't. Who it really helps, what the cost is and then let the people make an informed decision.

 

[James D Hill]

Do you really think it is wise to push through something not ready for prime time solely to score political points. The law has good and bad features. That being said, it seems to have some fundemental flaws which if not fixed will make health insurance less affordable for many. If the purpose of the law was to hand out free insurance to more people then just do that without screwing up insurance for many others.

By the same token, being able to move between jobs with a pre-existing condition is a great thing. Of course that makes insurance more expensive as companies can't cherry pick. Not sure why both sides can't be honest about what this bill is and isn't. Who it really helps, what the cost is and then let the people make an informed decision.

We will find out real soon because it went into effect on 10-1. We made SS,Medicare and Medicaid work so why not the ACA? We just need to get the far right off being stuck on stupid.

 

[James D Hill]

what would Obamacare working even look like?

Dude. Are you a conservative rocker? If the ACA works it will help millions of Americans get insurance that where un-insured before. How is that bad? You conservatives scream socialism but I do not see any of it in the ACA. Who is your favorite bands. I love classic Yes,Early Genesis,ELP,Jethro Tull,King Crimson,The Allman Bro's and of course Led Zep.

 

[James D Hill]

I can understand that thinking, but I tend to look back to 2010 when approximately 58% of the American people opposed Obamacare and the Dems passed it anyway. November of that year was a Republican banner election. I think the GOP has done all they can to get it repealed, Obamacare is here to stay unless the Republicans can somehow win back the senate next year and the presidency two years later while campaigning heavily on Obamacare. I think the republicans have overstepped with this government shutdown over Obamacare.

Ya think?

 

[James D Hill]

One I am not your Darling you sexist pig. Typical Republican. I asked a simple question you can either choose to answer it or STFU

I have had issues with that right winger myself. Why does being a redneck mean you have to flush your intellegence down the drain just to march to the party line. In this case the party line is screw the poor. Screw civil liberties for woman,gays and minorities and of cource screw the middle class while fighting for the very rich and allowing our nation's gunfighting mentality to continue. They are not complicated. It is easy to see what they are all about and it is not good.

 

[davidtaylorjr]

If the conservatives where so sure the ACA was bunk then why not wait and let it fail on its own and say "we told you so."? I think the right wing is afraid people are going to like it just like social security,medicare oe medicade. They claim this is a start to socialized healthcare ( I hope so) but the whole thing was their idea in the first place and they only hate it because Obama pushed it through. Yea I think the right wing is afraid we are going to have another intitlement to hate. Too bad.

More liberal iditoic drug induced statements.

 

[iguanaman]

You don't cut the brake line on your car before driving down a steep hill, into a lake. Apparently that logic escapes democrats.


No. They're afraid of being slaves to the government. You might suckle off Mommy Government's teat, but that doesn't mean everyone wants to.

For the cost of 0bamaCare, and all the waste involved, I'd rather buy one-way tickets for all the losers who support this crap, to the socialist country of their choosing. Good riddance. They're probably already a blight on this society.

Given the polls lately it would be much more cost effective to send all the T's to Mexico. Or may you all will just "self-deport".

 

[James D Hill]

More liberal iditoic drug induced statements.

It does not take a straight person to see the right wing has it out for Obama not matter what he does. You do not have to be Einstien to see the GOP is in a civil war with themselves on this issue. Why in the world would the GOP allow a right wing wack job like Ted Cruze think he was the speaker of the house when he is in the senate? If your side is happy with keeping millions from getting health care then it is doom for your side my friend.

 

[James D Hill]

Darling, you don't know me, I'm sure, but you will find out that putting words in my mouth...especially hyperbolic words...just doesn't work with me.

Now...unless you can show me where I've said any of the things you have attributed to me here, I'll just dismiss and ignore your post. You got anything for me?

What are you doing? Not only do you look like a right wing hack but now you look sexist. You can never win that fight my friend.

 

[davidtaylorjr]

It does not take a straight person to see the right wing has it out for Obama not matter what he does. You do not have to be Einstien to see the GOP is in a civil war with themselves on this issue. Why in the world would the GOP allow a right wing wack job like Ted Cruze think he was the speaker of the house when he is in the senate? If your side is happy with keeping millions from getting health care then it is doom for your side my friend.

We don't owe people health insurance. It is their responsibility to get a job and get it for themselves.

 

[AngryOldGuy]

If the ACA works it will help millions of Americans get insurance that where un-insured before. How is that bad?

That is not the purpose of the ACA. I hope you are aware of that. I like tunes ranging from late 50's Do-Wop up to stuff from today.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

We don't owe people health insurance. It is their responsibility to get a job and get it for themselves.

peoples right to life should not be threatened because they don't have the money to pay for private insurance.

 

[davidtaylorjr]

peoples right to life should not be threatened because they don't have the money to pay for private insurance.

Yet liberals don't have any problem with murdering babies, HYPOCRITES.

 

[OscarB63]

peoples right to life should not be threatened because they don't have the money to pay for private insurance.

my right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness should not be threatened because someone else doesn't have the money to pay for insurance.

 

[James D Hill]

That is not the purpose of the ACA. I hope you are aware of that. I like tunes ranging from late 50's Do-Wop up to stuff from today.

I also love the blues. The ACA is designed to get 40 million people health care. I personally would like to see full scale socialized health care but at this time that is not possible with the right wing still fighting the cold war.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Yet liberals don't have any problem with murdering babies, HYPOCRITES.

that is a arguement of choice.

being denied health insurance because you don't have enough money to pay for private insurance is another matter.

money and profit is something you can always earn back. you can't buy back a life lost.

 

[James D Hill]

my right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness should not be threatened because someone else doesn't have the money to pay for insurance.

That is the very selfish attitude that makes right wingers look like the party of mean and nasty. The ACA does not offer socialized insurance so get rid of that Aydn Rand selfish BS because it does not apply here. I think we should have a cradle to grave insurance for free as long as you are an American just like every other first rate country in the world. As rich as we are there is no excuse for it other than right wing selfishness and down right mean attitude. The cold war is over and we are all socialist now. Get over it.