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What is the Point of School?

windowdressing said:
I wonder where all of our scientists, doctors, judges, bureaucrats, engineers, accountants etc. come from?
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The same place that most of them send their own kids - private educational facilities. ;)
 
OscarB63 said:
That's why I quit teaching. everything is always the teacher's fault. I had a quote I always used, "If you give a world class Chef a turd, no matter what he does with it, the result is going to taste like ****"
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Yep. Ferrari can't make a great car if they get Tinker Toys.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Yep. Ferrari can't make a great car if they get Tinker Toys.
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I'd get kids dumped in my chemistry class that couldn't even do basic algebra. give them a/b = c/d; a=2, b=3, c=4 and they couldn't solve for d to save their ****ing life. Try explaining valence electrons or balancing equations to kids with a 5th grade reading comprehension. How in the hell can you teach chemistry to kids like that?

but yet it would somehow be my fault that I couldn't teach these turds chemistry.
 
Well refering to your studnets as turds might be a hint to what the problem really was.
OscarB63 said:
I'd get kids dumped in my chemistry class that couldn't even do basic algebra. give them a/b = c/d; a=2, b=3, c=4 and they couldn't solve for d to save their ****ing life. Try explaining valence electrons or balancing equations to kids with a 5th grade reading comprehension. How in the hell can you teach chemistry to kids like that?

but yet it would somehow be my fault that I couldn't teach these turds chemistry.
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mak2 said:
Well refering to your studnets as turds might be a hint to what the problem really was.
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whatever. the problem was the kids lacked the basic skills to be in the class to begin with. the problem was that the elementary grade teachers "socially promoted" these kids in order to not damage their self-esteem.


my private opinion had nothing to do with it.
 
OscarB63 said:
I'd get kids dumped in my chemistry class that couldn't even do basic algebra. give them a/b = c/d; a=2, b=3, c=4 and they couldn't solve for d to save their ****ing life. Try explaining valence electrons or balancing equations to kids with a 5th grade reading comprehension. How in the hell can you teach chemistry to kids like that?but yet it would somehow be my fault that I couldn't teach these turds chemistry.
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lol, I just went over that just yesterday with a technician, and the example I used as to why I still remember that stuff was from that same subject, Chemistry. Our militant (big hungarian lady) chemistry teacher considered any answer wrong if it didn't include the work, the vast majority of which was basic cross multiplication. Even more important in those early chemistry classes because of all the god damned units. Units, units everywhere, and if you didn't carry them appropriately, it didn't matter if you had the number correct. Ah, memories :)

Bust'em Oscar! And bust their prior teachers while you're at it ;)
 
Dont say include the work...that was an outrage a while back.
Mach said:
lol, I just went over that just yesterday with a technician, and the example I used as to why I still remember that stuff was from that same subject, Chemistry. Our militant (big hungarian lady) chemistry teacher considered any answer wrong if it didn't include the work, the vast majority of which was basic cross multiplication. Even more important in those early chemistry classes because of all the god damned units. Units, units everywhere, and if you didn't carry them appropriately, it didn't matter if you had the number correct. Ah, memories :)

Bust'em Oscar! And bust their prior teachers while you're at it ;)
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Mach said:
lol, I just went over that just yesterday with a technician, and the example I used as to why I still remember that stuff was from that same subject, Chemistry. Our militant (big hungarian lady) chemistry teacher considered any answer wrong if it didn't include the work, the vast majority of which was basic cross multiplication. Even more important in those early chemistry classes because of all the god damned units. Units, units everywhere, and if you didn't carry them appropriately, it didn't matter if you had the number correct. Ah, memories :)

Bust'em Oscar! And bust their prior teachers while you're at it ;)
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I loved units. even if you didn't understand the concept, if you knew (or had) the formula, you could simply set up the equation to cross out the units and solve the problem. 80% of chemistry is nothing but applied algebra
 
mak2 said:
Dont say include the work...that was an outrage a while back.
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I always made my students include the work. tried to explain to them that if they showed their work, I could give them partial credit even if they got the answer wrong.
 
That is good and I agree with you. I was refering to something off topic and should not have.
OscarB63 said:
I always made my students include the work. tried to explain to them that if they showed their work, I could give them partial credit even if they got the answer wrong.
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mak2 said:
Well refering to your studnets as turds might be a hint to what the problem really was.
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Unfortunately no. Try teaching before you make ridiculous comments. ;)
 
WCH said:
Only the Left side.
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Yeah... and that side is making things public that others don't want to acknowledge. What are you gonna do?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Unfortunately no. Try teaching before you make ridiculous comments. ;)
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what he doesn't realize is that when I used the term "turds", I was being generous and nice.
 
Tigger said:
The point of school SHOULD BE to create individuals who are capable of surviving in our society on at least the most basic level. It should be a place where they are taught the language, work ethic, basic skills, morality and values necessary to exist in our society. Currently our public education system does none of the above and is little more than a daycare center in many cases.
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School is a factory that produces a product,
and its a product that the power elite of this world wants to have produced by
that institution, otherwise, they would be VERY busy changing it.

see: ... Mario Savio: Sproul Hall Steps, December 2, 1964 - YouTube

Note the use of "well-meaning-liberal"
 
OscarB63 said:
I loved units. even if you didn't understand the concept, if you knew (or had) the formula, you could simply set up the equation to cross out the units and solve the problem. 80% of chemistry is nothing but applied algebra
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Greetings from the character who was thrown out of CHEMISTRY for being a FREE RADICAL.
 
OscarB63 said:
I loved units. even if you didn't understand the concept, if you knew (or had) the formula, you could simply set up the equation to cross out the units and solve the problem. 80% of chemistry is nothing but applied algebra
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Yeah but the other 20% involving explosions and lab poo is the fun part of the learnin'.....
 
mak2 said:
I do, college students. I dont think of them as turds. Ever.
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College students are a dream. Try teaching students that don't want to be there at all but are FORCED TO, then you can have a valid opinion on the matter.
 
What is the point of school?
Question 1: Prepare the child for work in the 'Real World'? Yes
Question 2: Or just a goverment babysitter? Yes

And the follow up question.
Question 3: Is the way we are doing it now working? Yes
Question 3b: If so how so? Babysitting is available which makes employees more productive. Employees don't have to worry about finding a babysitter therefore they show up for work more often. This is good for employers. The most important skill of any employee is to show up. Truancy laws teach kids to show up for school. Learning this habit early in life ensures it will be continued in adulthood. Basic reading, math, writing and analytical skills also make for a more useful employee. This is very good for employers. John D. Rockefeller was one of the biggest forces for mandatory education. He was more focused on training workers not thinkers.

Rockefeller was also a huge supporter of prohibition. Drunks are less likely to show up for work. Rockefeller was a very powerful man. He wanted the best employees and he wanted a lot of them. Government run schools was the cheapest (cheapest for him) route to acheive his goal(s).
 
WCH said:
And you talk in vague riddles.

What things are the Left making public that I don't want seen?
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I have no idea... you made a comment about these things coming from schools, then the Left and now Obama isn't transparent. I am not sure what you are even arguing about. Homosexuality exists. If you don't want your kids hearing about it then you have to isolate them. If you don't care then why are you commenting on it?
 
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