What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90, 120]?

[X Factor]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

That trying to convince a Jew that Jesus is the Messiah is both stupid, demonstrates one's lack of faith, and is bigoted.

Yeah, I can see where that could be offensive.

Faith is individual. If you need someone else to believe what you believe, then your faith isn't very strong. Also, no one's faith is superior, not mine, his, yours, or anyone else's.

But if you're saying that mine is false doesn't that imply that yours is true and therefore superior? And actually, that wouldn't be any kind of big a deal if that's your belief. All religions tend, in their nature, to claim to be the truth. Is it your belief that I'll be condemned or judged by God for believing in a "false" God? Seriously, no hard feelings if you tell me "yes", it's just interesting to me to be on this side of the discussion.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

Yeah, I can see where that could be offensive.

Absolutely. And he's been doing it for weeks.

But if you're saying that mine is false doesn't that imply that yours is true and therefore superior? And actually, that wouldn't be any kind of big a deal if that's your belief. All religions tend, in their nature, to claim to be the truth. Is it your belief that I'll be condemned or judged by God for believing in a "false" God? Seriously, no hard feelings if you tell me "yes", it's just interesting to me to be on this side of the discussion.

I'm using hyperbole to counteract his offensiveness and lack of faith. He's a religious zealot who's rigid belief system doesn't stand up to aggressive confrontation. The confrontation isn't about whether his beliefs are right or wrong. It's about whether they are true or not. Faith isn't about truth; facts are. Faith is about belief which is separate from truth. This is what he seems to lack in understanding, so my aggressive confrontation is to demonstrate both his lack of faith and his lack of understanding of faith, both of which I have done quite completely.

As far as how you will be judged by God, I believe as most Jews believe; if you are a good person, you don't have to have the same beliefs as I in order to be judged positively by God. This is one reason why Jews don't proselytize. One does not need to be a Jew to be judged in a good way by God. There's room in Heaven for any good person, Jew or not.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

As far as how you will be judged by God, I believe as most Jews believe; if you are a good person, you don't have to have the same beliefs as I in order to be judged positively by God. This is one reason why Jews don't proselytize. One does not need to be a Jew to be judged in a good way by God. There's room in Heaven for any good person, Jew or not.

This is it for me man, I sometimes probably offend you and many people I like at those rare moments when I tend to get very anti-religious... But one of the best classes I ever took was religious education in england, and we had a catholic teacher.

He said to us once he couldn't buy the idea that faith alone could get you into heaven, because he was friends with a Buddhist couple who were kinder, more charitable and in his opinion better people than he was, and if they both to the gates of heaven and he were accepted and they were denied, he'd trade his ticket in.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

This is it for me man, I sometimes probably offend you and many people I like at those rare moments when I tend to get very anti-religious... But one of the best classes I ever took was religious education in england, and we had a catholic teacher.

He said to us once he couldn't buy the idea that faith alone could get you into heaven, because he was friends with a Buddhist couple who were kinder, more charitable and in his opinion better people than he was, and if they both to the gates of heaven and he were accepted and they were denied, he'd trade his ticket in.

This is what evangelicals and religious zealots don't get and why they actually lack faith. Religion is a subset of faith, and faith is a subset of a whole host of characteristics that equate to being a good person. One does not need faith to be a good person. Your example of the Buddhist couple is a great example. I don't get offended by the anti-religious. I DO get offended by the anti-religious who proselytize their anti-religion... like many of the religious proselytize their beliefs. They are just different members of the same species.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

This is what evangelicals and religious zealots don't get and why they actually lack faith. Religion is a subset of faith, and faith is a subset of a whole host of characteristics that equate to being a good person. One does not need faith to be a good person. Your example of the Buddhist couple is a great example. I don't get offended by the anti-religious. I DO get offended by the anti-religious who proselytize their anti-religion... like many of the religious proselytize their beliefs. They are just different members of the same species.

I always try to go with the live and let live. I'm not here to convert believers into atheists and to be honest I am sometimes moved to tears by displays of faith when they are dignified/used for good.

As an example I'm in Japan at the moment, meeting my in laws for the first time, they took me to a grave of their ancestors and a temple, I was moved to tears by the quiet, solitary way they practice their faith.

Things like mega churches seriously irk me man.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

I always try to go with the live and let live. I'm not here to convert believers into atheists and to be honest I am sometimes moved to tears by displays of faith when they are dignified/used for good.

As an example I'm in Japan at the moment, meeting my in laws for the first time, they took me to a grave of their ancestors and a temple, I was moved to tears by the quiet, solitary way they practice their faith.

Things like mega churches seriously irk me man.

I agree on the other end of the spectrum. I never try to convert anyone to my religious or any religious beliefs. If you are a good person and happy without religion, more power to you. I have friends of all religions... and of no religion. Doesn't change who they are... unless they allow it to.. It's just a part of who they are. I wouldn't befriend people who define themselves by their religion or lack thereof, anyway. It's so limiting.

 

[CriticalThought]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

Thereby seeing naked 18-25 year girls would not increase testosterone in a young athlete male if the two sexes were in the same locker room you are saying?

Probably not. But I would like to see any evidence you have on how locker rooms affect testosterone levels. That is just one of hundreds of variables you have to contend with before you can make an argument that gay men have some sort of athletic advantage due to seeing other men and getting a testosterone surge.

 

[DDD]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

Probably not. But I would like to see any evidence you have on how locker rooms affect testosterone levels.

Locker rooms and shower rooms, seeing naked girls/women would not increase testosterone levels you are saying? The age is 18-25 mind you?

That is just one of hundreds of variables you have to contend with before you can make an argument that gay men have some sort of athletic advantage due to seeing other men and getting a testosterone surge.

I showed the references at that other site. Testosterone is directly linked with aggression. Also showed you references at that other site that Aussie's top football players were very aggressive.

So you are attempting to poke holes on: Do men athletes at their 18-25 have testosterone surges after seeing their sexual objects naked?

 

[Ceist]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

Eating pork is a Biblical abomination do you protest bacon?

I am against people marrying bacon.

 

[Ceist]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

Then explain the function of two penises together? If two penises together is not 'dysfunction' then nothing else is.

A penis puppetry show?

Explain the purpose of a vagina and a penis with a condom on?

 

[tecoyah]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

Locker rooms and shower rooms, seeing naked girls/women would not increase testosterone levels you are saying? The age is 18-25 mind you?



I showed the references at that other site. Testosterone is directly linked with aggression. Also showed you references at that other site that Aussie's top football players were very aggressive.

So you are attempting to poke holes on: Do men athletes at their 18-25 have testosterone surges after seeing their sexual objects naked?

Testosterone is unaffected by Sexual stimulation...though it may be increased by the lack thereof:
"
Although higher testosterone levels are seen with abstinence,[4] orgasm does not acutely affect testosterone levels in the blood.[3] Although there is not much evidence for the spike in testosterone during abstinence, there does not appear to be counter evidence at the moment; it is an understudied topic.

Orgasm can cause a significant spike in prolactin levels (approximately 10 to 15ng/ml) immediately after and upwards to 10-20 minutes later, at which it starts to decline.[3][5] This spike is dependent on ejaculation, and does not occur under non-orgasmic arousal.[6] This spike may serve to suppress further sexual desires.[7][8]

Various cardiovascular parameters, such as heart rate and catecholamine (adrenaline, noradrenaline) levels are increased during sex/masturbation and orgasm.[5] Some measure of increase is seen during arousal.[6]

Other various markers, such as Vasopressin and Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH) remain unchanged.[6]

Biochemical markers do not differ significantly when comparing orgasm after abstinence and orgasm without abstinence.[3] Slight increases were seen in heart rate and catecholamine (adrenaline) levels, but may be due to self-reported higher arousal on average."

Does ejaculation affect testosterone levels? | Examine.com FAQ

 

[Sababa]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

Testosterone is unaffected by Sexual stimulation...though it may be increased by the lack thereof:
"
Although higher testosterone levels are seen with abstinence,[4] orgasm does not acutely affect testosterone levels in the blood.[3] Although there is not much evidence for the spike in testosterone during abstinence, there does not appear to be counter evidence at the moment; it is an understudied topic.

Orgasm can cause a significant spike in prolactin levels (approximately 10 to 15ng/ml) immediately after and upwards to 10-20 minutes later, at which it starts to decline.[3][5] This spike is dependent on ejaculation, and does not occur under non-orgasmic arousal.[6] This spike may serve to suppress further sexual desires.[7][8]

Various cardiovascular parameters, such as heart rate and catecholamine (adrenaline, noradrenaline) levels are increased during sex/masturbation and orgasm.[5] Some measure of increase is seen during arousal.[6]

Other various markers, such as Vasopressin and Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH) remain unchanged.[6]

Biochemical markers do not differ significantly when comparing orgasm after abstinence and orgasm without abstinence.[3] Slight increases were seen in heart rate and catecholamine (adrenaline) levels, but may be due to self-reported higher arousal on average."

Does ejaculation affect testosterone levels? | Examine.com FAQ

Careful bigots are allergic to facts.

 

[shrubnose]

The terms are thrown around quite flippantly.

Can anyone define what the gay agenda/ propaganda entails? A list maybe.

Can anyone also provide any recorded or documented incidents where Gay men or Women have tried to recruit children -an allegation used by many as well.

Ultimately I would like to see what exactly it is that those who apparently see an agenda and propaganda are seeing.

If there was a good answer to your question I'm sure that we would have seen it many times and a long time ago.

 

[Zinthaniel]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

Testosterone is unaffected by Sexual stimulation...though it may be increased by the lack thereof:
"
Although higher testosterone levels are seen with abstinence,[4] orgasm does not acutely affect testosterone levels in the blood.[3] Although there is not much evidence for the spike in testosterone during abstinence, there does not appear to be counter evidence at the moment; it is an understudied topic.

Orgasm can cause a significant spike in prolactin levels (approximately 10 to 15ng/ml) immediately after and upwards to 10-20 minutes later, at which it starts to decline.[3][5] This spike is dependent on ejaculation, and does not occur under non-orgasmic arousal.[6] This spike may serve to suppress further sexual desires.[7][8]

Various cardiovascular parameters, such as heart rate and catecholamine (adrenaline, noradrenaline) levels are increased during sex/masturbation and orgasm.[5] Some measure of increase is seen during arousal.[6]

Other various markers, such as Vasopressin and Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH) remain unchanged.[6]

Biochemical markers do not differ significantly when comparing orgasm after abstinence and orgasm without abstinence.[3] Slight increases were seen in heart rate and catecholamine (adrenaline) levels, but may be due to self-reported higher arousal on average."

Does ejaculation affect testosterone levels? | Examine.com FAQ

Thanks for shutting him down he's been stuck on that loop for quite some time.

 

[DDD]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

Testosterone is unaffected by Sexual stimulation...though it may be increased by the lack thereof:

The meaning you include in "sexual stimulation" is orgasm, either through masturbation or sex. This finds some support on your own source:

Although higher testosterone levels are seen with abstinence,[4] orgasm does not acutely affect testosterone levels in the blood.[3] Although there is not much evidence for the spike in testosterone during abstinence, there does not appear to be counter evidence at the moment; it is an understudied topic.

Orgasm can cause a significant spike in prolactin levels (approximately 10 to 15ng/ml) immediately after and upwards to 10-20 minutes later, at which it starts to decline.[3][5] This spike is dependent on ejaculation, and does not occur under non-orgasmic arousal.[6] This spike may serve to suppress further sexual desires.[7][8]

However we are discussing increase of testosterone from watching sexual objects naked at youth. In such a case we are speaking of arousal more. This is supported on your own source:

Various cardiovascular parameters, such as heart rate and catecholamine (adrenaline, noradrenaline) levels are increased during sex/masturbation and orgasm.[5] Some measure of increase is seen during arousal.[6]

Does ejaculation affect testosterone levels? | Examine.com FAQ[/QUOTE]

So thanks for the source. But was it really necessary? Was not this suppose to be obvious?

I am asking because I hear complaints that some social science research is done in vain. See, instances such as these that require obvious research must be behind such research to begin with.

 

[tecoyah]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

The meaning you include in "sexual stimulation" is orgasm, either through masturbation or sex. This finds some support on your own source:



However we are discussing increase of testosterone from watching sexual objects naked at youth. In such a case we are speaking of arousal more. This is supported on your own source:



Does ejaculation affect testosterone levels? | Examine.com FAQ

So thanks for the source. But was it really necessary? Was not this suppose to be obvious?

I am asking because I hear complaints that some social science research is done in vain. See, instances such as these that require obvious research must be behind such research to begin with.[/QUOTE]

I suppose then, we can anticipate you providing the data used to formulate your claims?

Oh....never mind.

Oh...and I think we can assume ejaculation began with stimulation, and masturbation probably involved looking at naked women.

 

[Zinthaniel]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

In such a case we are speaking of arousal more. This is supported on your own source:

"Some measure of increase" is a far cry from your assumption that sexual visual cues will have such a biochemical effect on a man that he will be in any way an improved athlete during a game from those cues alone.

From the studies own source -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12697037

Sexual activity induced transient increases of plasma epinephrine and norepinephrine levels during orgasm with a rapid decline thereafter

So not only does the actual increase rely most effectively on ejaculation on orgasm, but the increase it incredibly brief, so even if we took it a step further and athletes could Screw the cheerleaders before the game, there would be no gain.

Also here these increase share the same brief duration-

Orgasm can cause a significant spike in prolactin levels (approximately 10 to 15ng/ml) immediately after and upwards to 10-20 minutes later, at which it starts to decline.[3][5] This spike is dependent on ejaculation, and does not occur under non-orgasmic arousal.[6] This spike may serve to suppress further sexual desires.[7][8]

Again by the time they are fully clothed and out the locker and then on to the field any supposed gains from sexual arousal will have vanished.

So thanks for the source. But was it really necessary? Was not this suppose to be obvious?

The source thoroughly squashed your garbage theory.

 

[Del Zeppnile]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

You are talking about a behavior. Behavior does not equal orientation.

Okay, then which 'orientation' is more likely to attempt to place two penises together? Not heterosexuals.

Two penises together is about as good of an example of dysfunction as you can demonstrate.

 

[Del Zeppnile]

Maybe not in every case - I don't know (or frankly care) enough about attraction to goats to comment on that - but homosexuality has its roots in brain anatomy and probably womb environment and can't be changed, just like heterosexuality.

Homosexuality has it's roots in dysfunction, whether that is caused by nature or nurture is irrelevant.

 

[Del Zeppnile]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

A penis puppetry show?

Explain the purpose of a vagina and a penis with a condom on?

No, no, it doesn't work that way. The question is what are penises and vaginas designed by nature to do? Penises and vaginas obviously complement each other in a specific way that two same sexual organs do not.

This isn't a very difficult puzzle to figure out. Homosexuality is unnatural.

 

[Zinthaniel]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

Okay, then which 'orientation' is more likely to attempt to place two penises together? Not heterosexuals.

Two penises together is about as good of an example of dysfunction as you can demonstrate.

What you are describing is a sexual act, much like penis in mouth, tongue in vagina, penis in ass, penis in hand, finger in vagina, and every other creative sexual activity that has not biological purpose. These are not dysfunctions. Your whole premise centers on a incomplete understanding of sex and the abstract nature of mankind.

 

[Zinthaniel]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

No, no, it doesn't work that way. The question is what are penises and vaginas designed by nature to do? Penises and vaginas obviously complement each other in a specific way that two same sexual organs do not.

Penis and vaginas function independently of one's orientation. The sooner your accept that the better you can understand.

This isn't a very difficult puzzle to figure out. Homosexuality is unnatural.

Wrong. It is, indeed, very natural.

 

[Del Zeppnile]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

What gay porn are you watching where men are trying to stick their penis into other penis?

There is no real biological function for penis in mouth or tongue in vagina and yet the practice is centuries old. It's clear that sex has value outside of reproduction, since it has more frequently been used as a recreational activity for as long as record keeping has been around. It is an abstract activity that we as sentient and abstract beings are creative with. This dead horse that you and your kin keep beating on, that sex is really supposed to be this boring responsibility meant only to conceive of more children is entirely unfounded. Strengthening bonds between people is one of the recreational motives of sex. When used in this way the penis and the vagina can be a little more liberal with their use.

Well that is an interesting take on it. A dog is a sentient being as well, so I guess a man having sex with his favorite sentient being is just exploring other abstract behavior in order to bond together? If it feels good to the man and the dog, hey why not?

 

[Zinthaniel]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

Well that is an interesting take on it. A dog is a sentient being as well

They are not intelligent abstract animals like humans. Their functions are entirely instinctual. You are comparing night a day.

so I guess a man having sex with his favorite sentient being is just exploring other abstract behavior in order to bond together?

a man should. preferably, have sex with a being who is not only intelligent enough to engage in a conversation with him but also able to consent to any sexual intercourse.

If it feels good to the man and the dog, hey why not?

There are only a few species that are believed to enjoy sex and experience pleasure during it. Dogs are not one of them. So, if anything, it would harm the animal that could not have possibly consented to the activity in the first place. Rape comes to mind.

Are we done with your sick fallacy or must we entertain more straw man?

 

[Gipper]

Re: What is the "Gay Agenda" and "Gay Propaganda"[W:90]?

A penis puppetry show?

Explain the purpose of a vagina and a penis with a condom on?

I'll explain it to you Friday night.