What if Both Hillary and Donald get Indicted?

[Excon]

Given all of the instances of Trump discussing his willingness and history with making campaign contributions in exchange for political favors, ...

Given all the instances in exchange for political favors?
Wut?
Please name some of these incidences you speak about.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Could we then just ditch the election results and start over?

That is what I said in 2008.

 

[Fearandloathing]

As far as I know, Trump is just looking at a civil trial and the loss of money if he loses. Hillary could theoretically be wearing an orange jumpsuit. Still, I find it somewhat hilarious, frightening, and even amusing that the Republican voters elected a possible con man who will be on trial right around the time of the election while the Democratic voters elected someone who might be out on bail right around the time of the election. These are the candidates the voters picked, both of whom have extremely high negatives. It just boggles my mind that these are the two the voters elected. What in the hell is this country coming to?

The electoral system and the never ending election was imperfect from the beginning and became more so over time. What you are witnessing is the result of the combination of cultured "star quality" and the "stupid voter".

Today elections are won on image, so image makers have had the influence since Nixon "lost" the debate with Kennedy because of his five o'clock shadow. Trump has simply added just the right touch of professional wrestling to the mix and turned the primaries into a WWE event. Let's face it, no one's supporting Trump for his policy, but the underlying promise he's going to take names and kick ass.

The only problem with that is that Donald is too stupid to know what to kiss and what to kick, which is inviting anarchy.

 

[azgreg]

Given all the instances in exchange for political favors?
Wut?
Please name some of these incidences you speak about.

He talked about in the early debates.

 

[azgreg]

Trump U a fraud? No, I'm shocked.

This just points out how much more attention we'll need to the VP choices.

 

[jonny5]

Trump U a fraud? No, I'm shocked.

If they both withdraw, then the parties would nominate someone else. Not sure if they could them on the general ballot in time without each state changing its rules.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Setting aside that I was responding to a post with an article specifically about Trump University (the content of my post)...

I haven't heard an accusation of fraud against Hillary Clinton...a quick google search reveals some accusations of voter fraud during the Iowa caucus, is that what you're referencing?

Not just Iowa.

Nevada:



Massachusetts:

This time, Bill Clinton blatantly broke Massachusetts election law that states campaigning within 150 feet of a polling site on election day is a felony. Not only did Bill Clinton campaign well within 150 feet of multiple election sites during voting hours causing gridlock, he even entered polling sites, with his security detail effectively shutting down the voting while the former president was present.

New York
Arizona
Connecticut
Kentucky

And a few others I'm forgetting.

 

[Excon]

He talked about in the early debates.

I asked for examples of all these so-called instances of political favor.

Do you have any?

 

[MrT]

Given all the instances in exchange for political favors?
Wut?
Please name some of these incidences you speak about.

Trump said the following:

"As a businessman and a very substantial donor to very important people, when you give, they do whatever the hell you want them to do," Trump said. "As a businessman, I need that."

and

"I was a businessman, I give to everybody. When they call, I give. And you know what? When I need something from them, two years later, three years later, I call them, and they are there for me."

and while discussing campaign contributors to Jeb Bush

"Who knows it better than me? I give to everybody. They do whatever I want. It's true."

and

“For Hillary Clinton, I said be at my wedding and she came to my wedding,” he said. “You know why? She had no choice because I gave to a foundation that frankly that foundation is supposed to do good.”

 

[azgreg]

I asked for examples of all these so-called instances of political favor.

Do you have any?

Not off the top of my head, but it's not a big deal to me. I don't fault him for it. It's all part of the big business game these days.

 

[American]

Could be. It's hard to tell nowadays.

She can be whatever she wants, and there's a restroom available.

 

[iguanaman]

Could be. It's hard to tell nowadays.

That would be a surprise to Chelsea and since when do you use Trump quotes?

 

[American]

Trump U a fraud? No, I'm shocked.

You never even heard of Trump U before the campaign, so big a fraud was it? The MSM virtually ignored it till it become political fodder.

 

[Excon]

Trump said the following:

and

and while discussing campaign contributors to Jeb Bush

JFK! These are not examples of an actual instance of any "political favor"
Those are allegations, allegations that might not even apply to the category of "political favors".

and

Hillary? Oy vey!
Attending his wedding is not an example of a political favor.
If you do not understand that something is wrong with the way you view things.

 

[eohrnberger]

If both Hillary and Donald get indicted, congrats - you're now Italy.

I thought that the Trump U suit was a civil one. Don't think that criminal indictments come from civil trials.

The other thing I heard was that the law firm bringing the suit received a large sum of money from the Clintons (perhaps via their foundation? Perhaps via Soros?). Anyone have a reliable source for this? What are the details?

 

[MrT]

JFK! These are not examples of an actual instance of any "political favor"
Those are allegations, allegations that might not even apply to the category of "political favors".

Hillary? Oy vey!
Attending his wedding is not an example of a political favor.
If you do not understand that something is wrong with the way you view things.

First off, I'm not making an accusation. I am quoting Donald Trump on this very topic.

Second, if he had said specific names and specific political favors given in return, then he (and the politician) would currently be facing criminal penalty for violation of the federal corruption practices act.

Third, requiring that someone attend a wedding in exchange for a financial contribution to a politician is still an example of the "quid pro quo" that the Drumpf often brags about and another reason to view these campaign contributions made to State AGs that "coincidentally" dropped fraud charges against Trump University.

 

[longview]

I may be wrong, but I do not think anyone has a license on the name "University",
and almost anyone can offer training, and call themselves a university.
You won't be accredited, likely cannot receive federal money,
but you could still charge people for presenting material.

 

[reinoe]

Trump U a fraud? No, I'm shocked.

Meh. Trump University didn't meet the state requirements to label itself as a university in that state (and california). If this were a true case of fraudulent courses then the lawsuit would be nationwide not localized to the hyper-liberal states of California and New York. :roll:

It reminds me of those "Call us if you ever may have been exposed to mesothelioma" commercials. If there's in any way a hint of connection then people can get in on a nice lawsuit. That means plenty of people who were happy with the courses but see a free check on the horizong just piling on. And given the fact that the nature of the lawsuit has to do with whether or not the name "university" was allowed to be used and in fact has nothing to do with quality of education, I think it's safe to say that many of these people are just looking to cash in or may have a political vendetta.

 

[calamity]

You never even heard of Trump U before the campaign, so big a fraud was it? The MSM virtually ignored it till it become political fodder.

And, you probably never heard of Benghazi until it was suddenly the topic of the day on the Rush Limbaugh's show. What exactly is your point?

 

[calamity]

Meh. Trump University didn't meet the state requirements to label itself as a university in that state (and california). If this were a true case of fraudulent courses then the lawsuit would be nationwide not localized to the hyper-liberal states of California and New York. :roll:

Hard to say what constitutes fraud. If this guy gets away with it,

I have to figure that pretty much anyone can.

 

[American]

And, you probably never heard of Benghazi until it was suddenly the topic of the day on the Rush Limbaugh's show. What exactly is your point?

Actually I read about it online. I don't listen to Rush very often at all. Benghazi was front page news, while Trump U was never heard of and would have never been heard of had Trump not been a candidate.

 

[11Bravo]

Trump U a fraud? No, I'm shocked.

Hillary could shoot a puppy in the face in the middle of the DNC and the liberal voters would still ask for more evidence.

 

[reinoe]

Hard to say what constitutes fraud. If this guy gets away with it,

I have to figure that pretty much anyone can.

That's the way the legal system works. You can punch someone's lights out if you can prove justification via self-defense or even insanity. You can legally get away with lots of things in this country. There are plenty of "fraudulent" things out there, but this is a storm in a teacup situation.

 

[11Bravo]

Actually I read about it online. I don't listen to Rush very often at all. Benghazi was front page news, while Trump U was never heard of and would have never been heard of had Trump not been a candidate.

That's the focus of Democrats. They're fine with terrorists killing our heroes, but when some rich dude may or may not have sleazed his way into a little bit of money, it's serious business..

 

[calamity]

Hillary could shoot a puppy in the face in the middle of the DNC and the liberal voters would still ask for more evidence.

It seems to me the liberal voters are rejecting Hillary at an even higher rate than conservatives rejected Ted Cruz.