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What do you think of Obama's "spread the wealth comment"

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What is your opinion of Obama's "spread the wealth comment"?


Is this how America should be? A socialist nation of take from the rich and give to the poor?

What did he mean by this statement and how do you see it affecting you?
 
A rising tide raises all ships.

Why should money be taken from the middleclass and given to the incompetant corporations? The risk is already socialized. It has been for years.

The middle class is the engine of our economy. The market will take care of what corporations will survive. Increasing the wealth gap is not a solution.
 
A rising tide raises all ships.

Why should money be taken from the middleclass and given to the incompetant corporations? The risk is already socialized. It has been for years.

The middle class is the engine of our economy. The market will take care of what corporations will survive. Increasing the wealth gap is not a solution.




How is money taken from the middleclass and given to incompetant corporations? And how does this address what obama said and meant by his spread the wealth comment? :roll:
 
"To each according his ability, to each according his need"

"Democracy will fail when the people realize they can vote themselves gifts and gold from the treasury"

One is what so many seem to not understand is a BAD thing, the other a warnging we arrogantly ignore.

Both apply to B.O.'s comment.
 
How is money taken from the middleclass and given to incompetant corporations? And how does this address what obama said and meant by his spread the wealth comment? :roll:

Progressive tax rates are nothing new. Those who make more will pay more.

Who's tax dollars are bailing out the corporations?
 
What is your opinion of Obama's "spread the wealth comment"?

It is a sensible philosophy that enhances social stability, prevents neo-feudalism from developing, and leads to greater productivity-- as long as the money isn't being spent on keeping people out of the workforce.

The wealthy will still be wealthy, the middle class will still be comfortable, and the working class just might have something to hope for after retirement.

What did he mean by this statement and how do you see it affecting you?

Won't affect me much. My taxes won't be cut and I'm unlikely to qualify for any new benefits unless I allow myself to be hospitalized-- which could, in the future, be used to deprive me of my legal rights.

Any benefit I might see would have to depend on what kind of job I land here in the next couple weeks.
 
What is your opinion of Obama's "spread the wealth comment"?


Is this how America should be? A socialist nation of take from the rich and give to the poor?

What did he mean by this statement and how do you see it affecting you?

I think it is in America's interest to have a society were the aged and infirm are not left to fend for themselves in the streets, where a health care problem does not bankrupt a family, where everyone has basic health care even if they lose their job or have a pre-existing condition, where those who suffer temporary setbacks receive assistance until they get back on their feet, where everyone has the opportunity to reach their full educational potential.

IMO, those who reap the greatest benefits from the great capitalist system we have adopted should carry the brunt of those costs.

This means I will pay higher taxes.
 
A rising tide raises all ships.

Why should money be taken from the middleclass and given to the incompetant corporations? The risk is already socialized. It has been for years.

The middle class is the engine of our economy. The market will take care of what corporations will survive. Increasing the wealth gap is not a solution.
agree....
supposedly the rising tide raises all small boats as well, but some of them are stove in and will not float again, not any time soon, and yes, I agree also that we the public played a part in this mess...
the middle class is paying a large amount of this mess already. as soon as you take the savings of the middle class and use it against them, they lose.
How was it used against us? If a bank uses your savings to loan money to an unworthy borrower, that person now has money to compete with you in the marketplace, unearned income! We should only spend our OWN earnings, and a lot of what was "earned" on Wall Street was actually stolen. Whoever wins the white house, I hope he appoints an attorney general who will publicly go after the greedy jerks that made the most profit on this mess....
 
How is money taken from the middleclass and given to incompetant corporations? And how does this address what obama said and meant by his spread the wealth comment? :roll:


Lets use an example.

A corporation makes an estimate to build a bridge in the intersate, and it will cost $20 millon. Other companies charge $25 million up to $35 million.

The government decides to hire the cheapest estimate. The company starts the work and in the middle of it the company claims that the estimate was too low because this and that problems happened and now the cost will be $45 million.

The government -read the politicians involved with the deal who also will receive their "cut"- will agree with the new price.

Now well, the budget for that year has been affected already and the money must come from somewhere. So, the government says" no raising of taxes", but, for the next yearly budget the goverment will take out programs like grants for low income families given for their children so hey can assist to college, the government will cut health benefits for the new hired employess, the government will freeze salaries, etc.

I have worked for government for 20 years, and I saw the game of budgets, contracts, and more.

In base of my observations, yes, it is correct that money -read money as benefits, grants, social programs, health programs, pay increases, and other opportunities- is taken from the middleclass and is given to incompetent corporations, and such is a kind of spreading the wealth to the rich by taken it from the middleclass.
 
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I think what Obama said was not meant as socialist, literal point of taking from the rich and giving it back to the poor. We are talking about a progressive tax rate that would fund government programs, pay down debt, etc. It's not some new program of taking tax money from the wealthy and giving it directly to those without. It's nothing like that.

It's expecting the very well off to pay a bit more in taxes and taking some of the burden off of those who cannot afford it as well. You can call it what you want, but when that comment is put into historical perspective, what he said is neither foreign nor harmful to this nation. We have been "spreading the wealth" in this nation for as long as we have had entitlement programs and taxes.

Fear mongering over three words.
 
What is your opinion of Obama's "spread the wealth comment"?


Is this how America should be? A socialist nation of take from the rich and give to the poor?

What did he mean by this statement and how do you see it affecting you?

Every functioning nation does this. It is a form of civil stability. Places we don't see this, (see Somalia 1990s) is ruled by the gun. People carry firearms to protect themselves from the rioting poor who steal and kill to get by.
 
What is your opinion of Obama's "spread the wealth comment"?


Is this how America should be? A socialist nation of take from the rich and give to the poor?

What did he mean by this statement and how do you see it affecting you?

There was a taxpayer stimulus package earlier this year. President Bush and the Congress mailed checks out to people who earned less than $75,000.00, and couples who earned less than $250,000.00.

No 'rich' people got any of this money, although they paid for a portion of the package. In other words, their wealth was spread.

Did you get one of those checks? If so, did you deposit it, or did you send it back to the government based on your opposition to spreading the wealth ?
 
What is your opinion of Obama's "spread the wealth comment"?


Is this how America should be? A socialist nation of take from the rich and give to the poor?

What did he mean by this statement and how do you see it affecting you?

As usual, you Hannitize simple comments and twist them to mean something totally and obviously not intended. And you know what you're doing as does McCain. These tactics only expose how desperate McCain's camp, and you, think the situation is.

McCain is going to be on the losing end of the biggest landslide in a very lonnnnng time! Watch... and remember. :applaud :applaud :applaud
 
The wealthy will still be wealthy, the middle class will still be comfortable, and the working class just might have something to hope for after retirement.
since when are the Middle class not the working class?
and if they are not the working class, just what are they?


if BHO is elected I hope it does not take the moderate left long to see the socialism that follows, and that they stand up and make sure America stays american and not European
 
As usual, you Hannitize simple comments and twist them to mean something totally and obviously not intended. And you know what you're doing as does McCain. These tactics only expose how desperate McCain's camp, and you, think the situation is.

McCain
how did he twist taking from the rich to give to the poor
even the poor who pay no taxes
if you pay no taxes you do not get a tax break, a tax credit or anything else
you are getting a handout which was taken from those more fortunate
when are you going to embrace what you really want, which is socialism
rather than pretend like the messiah is not a socialist full of wealth re-distribution
why do you hide in the shadows pretending your views are not what they are

BHO will is going to be on the losing end of the biggest landslide in a very lonnnnng time! Watch... and remember the Bradley Effect. :applaud :applaud :applaud

boy that was easy
 
As usual, you Hannitize simple comments and twist them to mean something totally and obviously not intended. And you know what you're doing as does McCain. These tactics only expose how desperate McCain's camp, and you, think the situation is.

McCain is going to be on the losing end of the biggest landslide in a very lonnnnng time! Watch... and remember. :applaud :applaud :applaud


Methinks one protests too much !! If a couple of questions are going to send you off on one of your "conspiracy tangents", how about some notice ? :mrgreen:
 
Methinks one protests too much !!

If you're going to quote Shakespeare at least take a minute to get it right. ;)

Because I like your avatar...

Player Queen:
Both here and hence pursue me lasting strife,
If once I be a widow, ever I be a wife!

Player King:
'Tis deeply sworn. Sweet, leave me here a while,
My spirits grow dull, and fain I would beguile
The tedious day with sleep.

Player Queen:
Sleep rock thy brain,
And never come mischance between us twain!

Hamlet:
Madam, how like you this play?

Queen:
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
 
Isn't it odd that rich democrats are more likely to willingly tax themselves than rich republicans? Does that mean something? are democrats, often considered the party of athiests, more christain in their deeds than the religious right republicans are with their words?
(he casts the baited hook, it sinks slowly into the depths, will a righty take the bait?);)
 
Isn't it odd that rich democrats are more likely to willingly tax themselves than rich republicans? Does that mean something? are democrats, often considered the party of athiests, more christain in their deeds than the religious right republicans are with their words?
(he casts the baited hook, it sinks slowly into the depths, will a righty take the bait?);)

I don't think anyone would label me a righty :mrgreen:
but I am curious if you have a link that shows some statistics on this?
 
I don't think anyone would label me a righty :mrgreen:
but I am curious if you have a link that shows some statistics on this?
you got any that say otherwise?:lol:
These are my observations, make of them what you will.....
Republicans say that democrats like to raise taxes, which has some truth to it, but the rich democrats of congress, and their friends, get taxed on their high incomes as quickly as anyone else.
republicans keep saying that more taxes on the rich is a bad thing for all of us, even the middle class, but I don't see how. Oh yeah, jobs! What party is the favored one of rich corporate types? GOP! What party isn't doing much about jobs going overseas? GOP! What party won't go after big businesses that incorporate off shore to avoid taxes? GOP!
More reasons that I am predicting that Obama will kick McCain's ass.
My one little vote for McCain will be but a single fish egg being consumed in the cooling water intake at some nuclear power plant somewhere...sucked in, cooked, spit out.....to be fish food for carp....
sorry, I had surgery yesterday, and the percocet is making me say these things...:2wave:
 
you got any that say otherwise?:lol:
These are my observations, make of them what you will.....
Republicans say that democrats like to raise taxes, which has some truth to it, but the rich democrats of congress, and their friends, get taxed on their high incomes as quickly as anyone else.
republicans keep saying that more taxes on the rich is a bad thing for all of us, even the middle class, but I don't see how. Oh yeah, jobs! What party is the favored one of rich corporate types? GOP! What party isn't doing much about jobs going overseas? GOP! What party won't go after big businesses that incorporate off shore to avoid taxes? GOP!
More reasons that I am predicting that Obama will kick McCain's ass.
My one little vote for McCain will be but a single fish egg being consumed in the cooling water intake at some nuclear power plant somewhere...sucked in, cooked, spit out.....to be fish food for carp....
sorry, I had surgery yesterday, and the percocet is making me say these things...:2wave:



Your observations mirror my own. That's why I asked if you had any links. I don't know if there are any out there and I'm too sick to do any research tonight.


Wishing you a speedy recovery, Bill.
:2wave:
 
Your observations mirror my own. That's why I asked if you had any links. I don't know if there are any out there and I'm too sick to do any research tonight.


Wishing you a speedy recovery, Bill.
:2wave:

same to you.....:cool:
 
"poor states" give the most to charity.

All Things Considered, January 1, 2005 · A survey by a group called The Catalogue for Philanthropy finds the poorest American states score the highest on their "generosity index" for 2004 -- an annual scorecard ranking states by how much their residents give to charities in proportion to how much they have. Hear NPR's Jennifer Ludden and George McCully, a trustee of the Ellis L. Phillips Foundation and project coordinator for The Catalogue for Philanthropy.
Survey: Poorest U.S. States Give Most to Charity : NPR

Take that, self-satisfied liberals! A central trope in liberal political discourse is that conservatives are selfish guardians of their own wealth and privilege. But according to "Who Really Cares," a new book by the Syracuse University public-policy specialist Arthur C. Brooks, it is liberals (especially the nonreligious sort), not conservatives, who are less likely to open their wallets to make charitable donations.

Consider two people, Brooks suggests in his book: One goes to church every week and believes it's not the government's job to reduce the amount of inequality in America. The other doesn't attend church and believes the government must rectify economic injustice. Similar in every other way, which of these people gives more to charity?

The churchgoer, Brooks concludes, is twice as likely to give money. What's more, she will give 100 times as much. And not just to her house of worship: She will give 50 times more to nonreligious charities, too. Brooks's book is filled with statistics like these. It "really obliterates the stereotypes about who is philanthropic," says Peter Schuck, a professor at Yale Law School, who read the book in manuscript.

If we want to improve America's already impressive record of charitable giving -- as much as $250 billion annually, including an average of $1,800 per family, a figure that dwarfs that of any other country -- one important step would be "to work for cultural change on the secular left," Brooks said last week at a forum on the book at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington.
Who gives - The Boston Globe

Translation: "rich evil money grubbing Conservatives" give to charity while Liberals are content to tax everyone and let the government do it.

One is personal freedom and liberty, choice at work. The other is state sponsored THEFT
and loss of freedom and liberty.

And gee, Obama and his followers are NOT on the side of freedom, liberty or choice. Go figure.
 
since when are the Middle class not the working class?
and if they are not the working class, just what are they?

They never were. "Working class" is, and always has been, a polite euphemism for lower class. Problem is, everyone in this country wants to believe that they're part of the "middle class", whether they're making just over the poverty line or more than $250,000 a year-- so you get all sorts of people claiming to be "middle class" who aren't even close.
 
"poor states" give the most to charity.


Survey: Poorest U.S. States Give Most to Charity : NPR

Who gives - The Boston Globe

Translation: "rich evil money grubbing Conservatives" give to charity while Liberals are content to tax everyone and let the government do it.

One is personal freedom and liberty, choice at work. The other is state sponsored THEFT
and loss of freedom and liberty.

And gee, Obama and his followers are NOT on the side of freedom, liberty or choice. Go figure.
I remember hearing that, but read it more carefully,,,how can the "poor" pony up and average of $1800 annually?
 
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