What do you consider right wing extremist? (1 Viewer)

[MrNiceGuy]

I've noticed some faction of the membership of Debate Politics seems to apply the label "right wing extremist" rather loosely (at least based on my understanding of the term).

So, are there "right wing extremists" on this board? What ideas make one a right wing extremist?

I usually associate right wing extremism with neo-Naziism, neo-fascism and their underlying ideas. Do others here have a different standard? What's your meaning if/when you use that term?

If you've found right wing extremists here, what made you think they were right wing extremists? What ideas did they express that qualified them for that?

 

[ttwtt78640]

Anyone to the right of Biden, Pelosi or AOC.

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

I've noticed some faction of the membership of Debate Politics seems to apply the label "right wing extremist" rather loosely (at least based on my understanding of the term).

So, are there "right wing extremists" on this board? What ideas make one a right wing extremist?

I usually associate right wing extremism with neo-Naziism, neo-fascism and their underlying ideas. Do others here have a different standard? What's your meaning if/when you use that term?

If you've found right wing extremists here, what made you think they were right wing extremists? What ideas did they express that qualified them for that?

Every republican voter is an extremist at this point, becuase the entire GOP is pandering to extremists or they just sit idly by and protect them. So they can **** off with their whines of not being associated with extremists, the GOP mainstream is full on Taliban. don't like it, stop voting for them. At least on the fed level and in some particular states

 

[TheParser]

A "right-wing extremist" is simply the counterpart of a "left-wing extremist."

 

[EdwinWillers]

Every republican voter is an extremist at this point, becuase the entire GOP is pandering to extremists or they just sit idly by and protect them. So they can **** off with their whines of not being associated with extremists, the GOP mainstream is full on Taliban. don't like it, stop voting for them. At least on the fed level and in some particular states

Well thank you for yet another incredibly enlightening, sagacious post.

I shudder to think what would this site be without your delightful ripostes, your quick wit, deep wisdom, and utter charm.

What can we say but.... "Thank you!"

 

[Fishking]

I've noticed some faction of the membership of Debate Politics seems to apply the label "right wing extremist" rather loosely (at least based on my understanding of the term).

So, are there "right wing extremists" on this board? What ideas make one a right wing extremist?

I usually associate right wing extremism with neo-Naziism, neo-fascism and their underlying ideas. Do others here have a different standard? What's your meaning if/when you use that term?

If you've found right wing extremists here, what made you think they were right wing extremists? What ideas did they express that qualified them for that?

There are a couple of actual white nationalists on thr board. One dude made a thread saying that Black people should thank God their ancestors were taken as slaves because now they are in America and not Africa.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Every republican voter is an extremist at this point, becuase the entire GOP is pandering to extremists or they just sit idly by and protect them. So they can **** off with their whines of not being associated with extremists, the GOP mainstream is full on Taliban. don't like it, stop voting for them. At least on the fed level and in some particular states

Well, if that's your definition, then the same can be said for Democrats, that every Democrat voter is a left wing extremist, since the entire Democrat Party and the DNC "panders to left wing extremists" or they sit idly by and protect them. Recall, the Democrats have supported the idea of socialism and 76% of democrats polled said they would vote for a socialist for President. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...e-for-a-socialist-for-president-idUSKBN20X36M and they are more positive about socialism than capitalism. https://news.gallup.com/poll/240725/democrats-positive-socialism-capitalism.aspx They express support for the DSA. Democrats tolerate Maxine Waters, Alexandria Cortez, Ilhan Omar, and other far left characters in their midst. Are Democrats "far left extremists?"

Full on Taliban? Don't you think that is over the top to suggest that the GOP mainstream - the mainstream - is "full on Taliban?" Are you using a rhetorical device, or do you literally think that? You think GOP mainstream is "full on" in favor of setting up a theocratic government (similar to an Islamic government applying Sha'ria law)? You think the GOP mainstream wants to institute a brutally, violently repressive regime that prohibits women from employment and any schooling? You think the GOP mainstream wants to destroy all non-Christian relics and art pieces? You think the GOP mainstream is in favor of criminal punishments like stonings, whippings and hangings? You think the GOP mainstream wants to censor the news and journalists, and to punish criticism of the government and the military actions of the government? You think the GOP mainstream is against due process of law, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, etc?

 

[ataraxia]

I've noticed some faction of the membership of Debate Politics seems to apply the label "right wing extremist" rather loosely (at least based on my understanding of the term).

So, are there "right wing extremists" on this board? What ideas make one a right wing extremist?

I usually associate right wing extremism with neo-Naziism, neo-fascism and their underlying ideas. Do others here have a different standard? What's your meaning if/when you use that term?

If you've found right wing extremists here, what made you think they were right wing extremists? What ideas did they express that qualified them for that?

The use of the term "globalist" as a scary boogy-man, or speaking in hushed terms about George Soros, is always a dead giveaway.

"Globalism refers to various patterns of meaning beyond the merely international. It is used by political scientists, such as Joseph Nye, to describe "attempts to understand all the interconnections of the modern world—and to highlight patterns that underlie (and explain) them."[1] While primarily associated with world-systems, it can be used to describe other global trends. The concept of globalism is also classically used to distinguish the ideologies of globalization (the subjective meanings) from the processes of globalization (the objective practices).[2] In this sense, globalism is to globalization what nationalism is to nationality.

The term is now frequently used as a pejorative by far-right movements and conspiracy theorists. False usage in this way has also been associated with anti-semitism, as anti-semites frequently appropriate the word globalist for Jews.[3][4][5]"

Globalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Moon]

Everyone I disagree with is an extremist.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Everyone I disagree with is an extremist.

Hmm… are you extremely disagreeable or do most agree with you?

 

[Moon]

Hmm… are you extremely disagreeable or do most agree with you?

The smart ones agree with me. The rest are extremists.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

I've noticed some faction of the membership of Debate Politics seems to apply the label "right wing extremist" rather loosely (at least based on my understanding of the term).

So, are there "right wing extremists" on this board? What ideas make one a right wing extremist?

I usually associate right wing extremism with neo-Naziism, neo-fascism and their underlying ideas. Do others here have a different standard? What's your meaning if/when you use that term?

If you've found right wing extremists here, what made you think they were right wing extremists? What ideas did they express that qualified them for that?

Anyone who's still running around spewing "stop the steal" nonsense.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

The use of the term "globalist" as a scary boogy-man, or speaking in hushed terms about George Soros, is always a dead giveaway.

"Globalism refers to various patterns of meaning beyond the merely international. It is used by political scientists, such as Joseph Nye, to describe "attempts to understand all the interconnections of the modern world—and to highlight patterns that underlie (and explain) them."[1] While primarily associated with world-systems, it can be used to describe other global trends. The concept of globalism is also classically used to distinguish the ideologies of globalization (the subjective meanings) from the processes of globalization (the objective practices).[2] In this sense, globalism is to globalization what nationalism is to nationality.

The term is now frequently used as a pejorative by far-right movements and conspiracy theorists. False usage in this way has also been associated with anti-semitism, as anti-semites frequently appropriate the word globalist for Jews.[3][4][5]"

Globalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If someone uses the term "globalism" in relation to a political discussion, one would need to clarify the specific usage. Because of the differing meanings, people talk past each other.

It's kind of like when the word "Liberal" is used as a pejorative. I am a liberal for sure. If I listed my political positions, they tend to fit the liberal side, in the classically liberal sense. Liberal democracy, liberal economics, etc. That said, there is a different usage today of Liberal, which equates more with the Progressive Left, and the Progressive Left is in many respects illiberal. So, I will often clarify that I am a liberal, but not Progressive Left, or I am liberal but not Leftist. That same distinction is often made by people on the Left who regard liberals and neo-liberals as part of the problems they see in the world.

So, it's not so much that the right is using a wrong definition - it's that sometimes people on the right use the word "globalism" to mean the opposite of "nationalism." And, nationalism, to a moderate right person, means that the nation is paramount, not the globe, and that our nation, and all nations, are sovereign in their own right, not answering to a central global authority. Whereas what they see as globalist is a gathering of power from the nation-states to a central global power center, which is not responsive to the wants and needs of the people of individual nations. Often a moderate right person will then be sullied with the "dog whistle" label because their opposition declares that the word globalism is really a euphemism for a conspiracy that there are unseen nefarious forces controlling the world (sometimes Jewish forces), even when the moderate person may well just mean that they don't want our nation to cede power to a central non-American authority.

So, I do get your meaning that definitions vary and there are sometimes usages that can be considered "bad" or racist or whatever.

 

[Blue Dog]

I would opine that people who espouse reactionary populism would be accurately labeled “right wing extremist”.

 

[Crovax]

Anyone to the right of Biden, Pelosi or AOC.

Pelosi the to the right of AOC and Biden is to the right of Pelosi. So Biden and Pelosi are right wing extremists

 

[ttwtt78640]

Pelosi the to the right of AOC and Biden is to the right of Pelosi. So Biden and Pelosi are right wing extremists

That is precisely my point. Extremist is a relative term. It boils down to how far removed a given person’s position is from the person doing the judging.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Anyone who's still running around spewing "stop the steal" nonsense.

I'm not so sure about that. I am old enough to remember when it was a common theme among Democrats that the Republicans controlled the ballot boxes and that George W. Bush was elected because of Diebold voting machines. It's an odd view, and sometimes conspiracy theory-ish, but frankly there are portions of both left and right wing people that like to believe conspiracy theories.

I have a friend who is incredibly smart, degreed, engineer and computer programmer - but he is convinced that the election was stolen.

I think the idea that "voter fraud is a myth" is just as weird as claiming an election was stolen. I mean, the stakes are very high in elections, and we're talking about a lot of power being at stake, I think it would be naive to think that parties are incapable or fraud, or that they are so honorable that fraud would be just an irrelevant rarity.

 

[Crovax]

That is precisely my point. Extremist is a relative term.

I would say extremist is a pejorative that applies to very few on either side in congress

 

[ataraxia]

If someone uses the term "globalism" in relation to a political discussion, one would need to clarify the specific usage. Because of the differing meanings, people talk past each other.

It's kind of like when the word "Liberal" is used as a pejorative. I am a liberal for sure. If I listed my political positions, they tend to fit the liberal side, in the classically liberal sense. Liberal democracy, liberal economics, etc. That said, there is a different usage today of Liberal, which equates more with the Progressive Left, and the Progressive Left is in many respects illiberal. So, I will often clarify that I am a liberal, but not Progressive Left, or I am liberal but not Leftist. That same distinction is often made by people on the Left who regard liberals and neo-liberals as part of the problems they see in the world.

So, it's not so much that the right is using a wrong definition - it's that sometimes people on the right use the word "globalism" to mean the opposite of "nationalism." And, nationalism, to a moderate right person, means that the nation is paramount, not the globe, and that our nation, and all nations, are sovereign in their own right, not answering to a central global authority. Whereas what they see as globalist is a gathering of power from the nation-states to a central global power center, which is not responsive to the wants and needs of the people of individual nations. Often a moderate right person will then be sullied with the "dog whistle" label because their opposition declares that the word globalism is really a euphemism for a conspiracy that there are unseen nefarious forces controlling the world (sometimes Jewish forces), even when the moderate person may well just mean that they don't want our nation to cede power to a central non-American authority.

So, I do get your meaning that definitions vary and there are sometimes usages that can be considered "bad" or racist or whatever.

Another giveaway: using the term without really saying what it means- purposely keep it vague. That way it can be used as an innocent-sounding and socially acceptable Trojan horse for the toxic poison that really underlies it.

Let's be clear: "nationalism" to the right wing extremist really means xenophobia, racism, bigotry, and isolationism. It's just a nice euphemism. They may not define it that way out loud, but as you begin to listen to how they are using the term, it quickly becomes very clear what really underlies their "nationalism". Try it- it's really not that hard to tell what they really mean as they begin to use those words.

"Hate groups have long worked to mask their views behind traditionally accepted language, in an attempt to make them more palatable to the public. Instead of denouncing America’s increasing ethnic diversity, they created the phrase “reverse-racism.” The term “alt-right” was born to rebrand white supremacist ideology as Internet friendly and cutting-edge.

The use of dog whistles — a cloaked political message that can only be understood by a particular group, much as dogs can hear whistles of certain frequencies that humans cannot — has become more common."

With ambiguity and euphemism, extremists are showing their skill in bending words - The Boston Globe

The coded language of the white supremacist playbook has been displayed in abundance since Charlottesville.

www.bostonglobe.com

 

[MrNiceGuy]

That is precisely my point. Extremist is a relative term.

In that sense, whenever it is used, it behooves the person using the term to define what they mean by it. Since, calling, say, me an extremist lacks any meaning at all, unless the person tells me what they mean by extremist. If it means "someone to right of Nancy Pelosi," then I can go on my merry way and not bother with the discussion or the accusation, because I certainly am likely to the right of Nancy Pelosi on many issues, although I am positive I am also to the left of nancy on some issues, and being to the right of Nancy Pelosi on some or many issues, or even all issues, is not a huge negative, nor is it very "extreme."

 

[MrNiceGuy]

I would say extremist is a pejorative that applies to very few on either side in congress

I would say it applies to very few people here, too, and I believe the accusation is used to avoid addressing the substance of issues raised, to denigrate a source of information, or to denigrate a member here, so that the substance doesn't need to be addressed. It's like "oh, you're an extremist!" - so, an assertion can just be dismissed, rather than responded to.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I would say extremist is a pejorative that applies to very few on either side in congress

Nope, on a simple yes/no vote one side is often called extremist. For example, see the latest NATO non-binding resolution vote thread - the 63 (republicant) ‘no’ voters were being referred to as extremists who voted “against democracy”.

 

[Moon]

I would say it applies to very few people here, too, and I believe the accusation is used to avoid addressing the substance of issues raised, to denigrate a source of information, or to denigrate a member here, so that the substance doesn't need to be addressed. It's like "oh, you're an extremist!" - so, an assertion can just be dismissed, rather than responded to.

Extremist, racist, traitor, homophone, transphobe, etc. are only used to shut down a discussion, which appears to be the current definition of “winning” a debate.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Just to be clear, because I think it fair and accurate to label many people "right wing" but adding the 'extremist' modifier by definition requires a pretty high arbitrary bar. So I do call people like Ben Shapiro right wing, but not an 'extremist'. With that out of the way;

I usually associate right wing extremism with neo-Naziism, neo-fascism and their underlying ideas. Do others here have a different standard? What's your meaning if/when you use that term?

Generally, I agree. However I would personally expand that to ethno-nationalists and extreme religious fanatics. Really any far right ideology which advocates for mass violence.

If you've found right wing extremists here, what made you think they were right wing extremists? What ideas did they express that qualified them for that?

Yes. Here is a good example of the religious fanatic category I was talking about. From @aCultureWarrior.

@aCultureWarrior believes in in creating a authoritarian theocracy. He fundamentally rejects the concept of freedom, believing it only allows people to pursue godless/immoral/sinful behavior and therefore it is the moral imperative of the state to prevent people from engaging in godless behavior.

No, they’re not

If for example you like being able to visit shops in safety and walk around the city at any hour of the day without falling victim to street crime Saudi Arabia produces much better results then any country considered a “democracy”

I'm sure he will see this and confirm himself in this thread, but EMNofSeattle explicitly does not believe in Democracy. He has argued explicitly in favor on monarchism on several occasions.

Of course there was the legendary (and now banned) Alizia Tyler.

Nice try, m’boy. But there is very very little of my argument that depends on strict race-differences. It is one piece of a larger picture.

(Except, as I say and have always said, in the case of the Caucasian and the Negroid races. These are so different — is it only somatically? merely aesthetic? — that I do not see them as compatible.)

She doesn't think that Black and White people are able to coexist within the same civilization. She has also claimed that Black people are simply too uncivilized to build a functioning society themselves and that we should put programs in place to (supposedly) voluntarily deport them.

 

[Callen]

I don't think there are very many extremists on either side here. I see Republicans in three different camps moderates, traditional conservatives and far-right or far right wing. I will often use the term "Trumper" not in a pejorative way but to identify them as separate from traditional moderates and conservatives. I believe this entire group to be far-right. Extremists are a group all on their own who I believe may vote Republican but are not politically Republican.